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I will say this way .. wants of 1.3 bn Chinese is suppressed by CPC and it does matter . only if they are allowed to express .

Funny!

Is suppressed or not solely defined by you? Very imperialistic isn't it?!

1.3 bn people have many channels to voice their angers/dissatisfaction against corrupted officials, non-functional government organizations, and the wants of a peaceful and unified China. That is the force driving China forward.

Haven't hear of that?
 
Its not the Perception ( which is Always Selfish ) . it is behaviour ..
May be you have lost the sense between Morality and Ethics ..
between Truth and perception
..

This coming from you is nothing more then a joke.Like i said save it.
 
Dear Friend .. Secessionist tendencies based on Religious , racial or regional narrow minded ness is every where .. Heard of Balochistan Liberation Army ..

Yes indeed. BLA how can we forget. An organisation sponspered my india to support terrorism into pakistan.


Dalai Lama is not asking for Independence from China .. he accpets China as ruling nation .he is asking for personal freedom to follow his own faith , his religion ..

Does he? Because he could not do a damn thing otherwise despite of all the help he could get from india and the west to cause disruption in tibet, he accepted china as a rulling nation.Wow does that makes him pious and forbids him of the crimes that he is guilty off? Or maybe his definition of expression of freedom is different from the rest of the china and therefore he should have been allowed to stand above the law.:tdown:
 
Dear GPIT,

As far as I am concerned Tibet is an integral part of China and most Tibetians I have met are reconciled to that fact. However onething you must agree is that there is a vast differences in the two cultures (Chinese and Tibetians) why not follow a Hong Kong kind of plan for Tibet too thru dialogue with the Dalai Lama ? Hong Kong has done wonders for China eventhough nearly every citizen of HK would have voted against joining China if a vote was held at that time.

Regards

AN, there are always differences among 56 different ethnics in China. Do you think Yugur Chinese Yugur - Chinese ethnics - China will have less differences from Han Chinese than those Tibetans have?

Hongkong issue is very different from that of Tibet. HK was rent to UK, and was undemocratically and colonially governed by UK for more than 100 years. PLA could have run over it easily around 1949-50, since the new China abolished all treaties with the Western powers. Yet, the wisdom of then CPC leaders caused them to believe that HK should be served as a bridge between China and the West. In addition, China's biggest enemy then is US, not UK. HK is obviously done with its historical task around 1997. Politically, CPC needs constant achievements to maintain it leadership in China, or it'll be overthrown. How to get back HK in a best possible way can be regarded as one of these that CPC can report/show to its constituents. HK has superior government/commercial managerial talents/resources that China needs so badly but would be lost, should two systems are not used. Personally, I also believe that eventual popular election in HK will give mainland China a lesson to learn and an example to follow as to what's the best to reform the Chinese political system.

HK people are very peaceful and civilized. There is no violence reported when HK was returned to China.

Tibet is a different story. It has been attached politically and religiously to the rest of China. One example is that the religious, and therefore political, head has to be approved by the central government. For instance, the current Dalai Lama was approved by then central government of Republic of China. Secondly, the 17 Points Agreement between then Tibet local government and Chinese central government mutually agreed on the path of then Tibet. Dalai Lama thus wrote:

"Chairman Mao of the Central People’s Government:

“This year the local government of Tibet sent five delegates with full authority headed by Kaloon Ngapoi to Beijing in late April 1951 to conduct peace talks with delegates with full authority appointed by the Central People’s Government.

“On the basis of friendship, delegates on both sides concluded the Agreement on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet on May 23,1951.

“The local government of Tibet as well as the Tibetan monks and laymen unanimously support this agreement, and under the leadership of Chairman Mao and the Central People’s Government, will actively assist the People’s Liberation Army in Tibet to consolidate national defence, drive imperialist influences out of Tibet and safeguard the unification of the territory and the sovereignty of the motherland. I hereby send this cable to inform you of this.” » Dalai Lama’s 1951 telegram to Mao expresses support for China’s role in Tibet - Thaindian News

Don't you feel that the political system of Tibet has been laid down fully and agreed totally between the two parties?

Doesn't the Chinese central government always state that the door for dialog always open to Dalai Lama, as long as he stops the activities of violence and split-ism?

You or others may argue that Dalai already said he doesn't want a separated Tibet; he calls for non-violent demonstration. But what is the reality? How can the rest of Chinese trust his words, given the fact that India and CIA supported him in 1959 and later riots, the fact that Tibetans violently chopped off others' heads and burnt them to death, the fact that "On March 15, the following day of the March 14 incident, TYC (Tibet Youth Congress) held a meeting of its executive members in Dharamsala, India, and unanimously adopted a resolution on cross-border entry into China to carry out guerrilla warfare and launch a secret entry into the country though the Sino-Nepalese border.", and the fact that "After the Lhasa riots occurred on March 14, police seized a lot of offensive weaponry in some Tibetan Buddhist temples or Lamaseries, as a clear proof to the violent nature of TYC. Among the weapons seized, according to Ministry of Public Security spokesmen Wu Heping, there were 178 rifles or guns, 13,013 rounds of bullets, 359 knives or swords, and a lot of explosives, including 3,504 kilograms of dynamite, 19,360 detonators and two hand-grenades." TYC, a terrorist organization much catastrophic than bin Laden's, say netizens- China - Guangdong?
 
And they are not allowed to express according to your standards.:disagree: Give it a break will you and first give this right to the kashmiris who have been suppressed for the last sixty years and then raise concerns over the freedom of expression granted in china.


Icecold,

It is time you read Legalism in China.
 
Yes indeed. BLA how can we forget. An organisation sponspered my india to support terrorism into pakistan.

Pakistani double standard

Does he? Because he could not do a damn thing otherwise despite of all the help he could get from india and the west to cause disruption in tibet, he accepted china as a rulling nation.Wow does that makes him pious and forbids him of the crimes that he is guilty off? Or maybe his definition of expression of freedom is different from the rest of the china and therefore he should have been allowed to stand above the law.:tdown:

Save your gibberish for yourself . you have no idea what are u talking
 
Funny!

Is suppressed or not solely defined by you? Very imperialistic isn't it?!

No dfined by the common-sense and this commonsense is called Democracy , Humanity ..
Imperialistic . wow you just quote any thing which comes in your mind without understanding what it means .

1.3 bn people have many channels to voice their angers/dissatisfaction against corrupted officials, non-functional government organizations, and the wants of a peaceful and unified China. That is the force driving China forward.

Haven't hear of that?

Yeas I have heard of one incident when some people voiced their dissatisfaction against the corrupt regime and gathered in Tiananmen square .
And then there are many ..
Chinese dissident jailed for five years after human rights petition | World news | The Guardian
 
One must understand Chinese Legalism which is how the Han dynasty extend Chinese imperialism leading to mass colonisation of non Han people including those of South China.
 
Hazy Mirror

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/opinion/13forney.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

China’s Loyal Youth


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MANY sympathetic Westerners view Chinese society along the lines of what they saw in the waning days of the Soviet Union: a repressive government backed by old hard-liners losing its grip to a new generation of well-educated, liberal-leaning sophisticates. As pleasant as this outlook may be, it’s naïve. Educated young Chinese, far from being embarrassed or upset by their government’s human-rights record, rank among the most patriotic, establishment-supporting people you’ll meet.

As is clear to anyone who lives here, most young ethnic Chinese strongly support their government’s suppression of the recent Tibetan uprising. One Chinese friend who has a degree from a European university described the conflict to me as “a clash between the commercial world and an old aboriginal society.” She even praised her government for treating Tibetans better than New World settlers treated Native Americans.

It’s a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans themselves. “Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet,” a Beijing human-rights lawyer named Teng Biao told me. Mr. Teng — a Han Chinese who has offered to defend Tibetan monks caught up in police dragnets — feels very alone these days. Most people in their 20s, he says, “believe the Dalai Lama is trying to split China.”

Educated young people are usually the best positioned in society to bridge cultures, so it’s important to examine the thinking of those in China. The most striking thing is that, almost without exception, they feel rightfully proud of their country’s accomplishments in the three decades since economic reforms began. And their pride and patriotism often find expression in an unquestioning support of their government, especially regarding Tibet.

The most obvious explanation for this is the education system, which can accurately be described as indoctrination. Textbooks dwell on China’s humiliations at the hands of foreign powers in the 19th century as if they took place yesterday, yet skim over the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and ’70s as if it were ancient history. Students learn the neat calculation that Chairman Mao’s tyranny was “30 percent wrong,” then the subject is declared closed. The uprising in Tibet in the late 1950s, and the invasion that quashed it, are discussed just long enough to lay blame on the “Dalai clique,” a pejorative reference to the circle of advisers around Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.

Then there’s life experience — or the lack of it — that might otherwise help young Chinese to gain a perspective outside the government’s viewpoint. Young urban Chinese study hard and that’s pretty much it. Volunteer work, sports, church groups, debate teams, musical skills and other extracurricular activities don’t factor into college admission, so few participate. And the government’s control of society means there aren’t many non-state-run groups to join anyway. Even the most basic American introduction to real life — the summer job — rarely exists for urban students in China.

Recent Chinese college graduates are an optimistic group. And why not? The economy has grown at a double-digit rate for as long as they can remember. Those who speak English are guaranteed good jobs. Their families own homes. They’ll soon own one themselves, and probably a car too. A cellphone, an iPod, holidays — no problem. Small wonder the Pew Research Center in Washington described the Chinese in 2005 as “world leaders in optimism.”

As for political repression, few young Chinese experience it. Most are too young to remember the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 and probably nobody has told them stories. China doesn’t feel like a police state, and the people young Chinese read about who do suffer injustices tend to be poor — those who lost homes to government-linked property developers without fair compensation or whose crops failed when state-supported factories polluted their fields.

Educated young Chinese are therefore the biggest beneficiaries of policies that have brought China more peace and prosperity than at any time in the past thousand years. They can’t imagine why Tibetans would turn up their noses at rising incomes and the promise of a more prosperous future. The loss of a homeland just doesn’t compute as a valid concern.

Of course, the nationalism of young Chinese may soften over time. As college graduates enter the work force and experience their country’s corruption and inefficiency, they often grow more critical. It is received wisdom in China that people in their 40s are the most willing to challenge their government, and the Tibet crisis bears out that observation. Of the 29 ethnic-Chinese intellectuals who last month signed a widely publicized petition urging the government to show restraint in the crackdown, not one was under 30.

Barring major changes in China’s education system or economy, Westerners are not going to find allies among the vast majority of Chinese on key issues like Tibet, Darfur and the environment for some time. If the debate over Tibet turns this summer’s contests in Beijing into the Human Rights Games, as seems inevitable, Western ticket-holders expecting to find Chinese angry at their government will instead find Chinese angry at them.
 
No dfined by the common-sense and this commonsense is called Democracy , Humanity ..

Unfortunately, no, actually very fortunately, democracy and humanity are not defined by you or your twisted “common sense”: your “humanity” is well known with your belief that the right to live by not starving to death is nothing compared with the right to vote.

1.3 billion people want to live, not starved to death, and to have a unified and peaceful China. This is what they want.


Imperialistic . wow you just quote any thing which comes in your mind without understanding what it means .

The first conditional reflection from your words is very naturally one thing, and the only thing: imperialistic. And with perfect understanding.

Yeas I have heard of one incident when some people voiced their dissatisfaction against the corrupt regime and gathered in Tiananmen square .
And then there are many ..
Chinese dissident jailed for five years after human rights petition | World news | The Guardian

This is another reason I call you imperialistic. On soft side, why don’t you recall 40000 pregnant women died yearly in UP and criticize your government? India Together: New govt's population control thrust - June 2004 . On hard side, why don’t your recall your policemen killed peaceful demonstrators and accuse the brutality of your system? IndianExpress.com :: Bhagalpur police firing toll up at three

Even so, per your link, the sentenced criminal is mainly because “accepting money from hostile foreign organisations, ….” and he has a lawyer named Li Fangping for his legal defence.

It is a common sense for avoiding a potential litigation, even in the US: don’t do anything illegal or (legal but) appears illegal. For instance, you are obviously hostile to China. Should I get money from you, and wage some activities in China for you, I’d better be prepared to be in trouble even I’d do good thing. Weird that your antagonism culminates by such a simple reason and a common sense!

Back to the criminal sentenced, he sounds like a loser in a market economy, and definetely nurtured a degree of disfaction and probably sold himself to foreign hostile forces. So be in jail.
 
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A mixture of hostile Western forces’ anxiety, desperation, rancor, grudge, gall, quandary, despondency…

One thing is sure: the Western powers have contributed greatly in shaping China’s young generations, by their deeds before (for instance, through Opium Wars), or now (through CNN, R-TV… blatant lying).
 
Through Opium Wars and YOUNG?

Does indicate the exaggeration and traversty of truth the Chinese communists are capable of!!

One thing is sure: the Western powers have contributed greatly in shaping China’s young generations, by their deeds before (for instance, through Opium Wars),
 
Pakistani double standard

Pakistani double standards really! How pathetic can one get just to prove a point:sick:

Pak finds proof of Indian involvement in Balochistan crisis

ISLAMABAD (Online) – Indian consulates in Afghanistan have a secret hand in the creating troubles in Balochistan and tribal belt of Pakistan and in this connection intelligence agencies handed over a report with proofs to government, well placed sources told Online here on Sunday.
According to the intelligence reports, involvement of Indian consulates working in different cities of Afghanistan have been found in anti-Pakistan activities whereas solid proofs have been found that the consulates are providing financial assistance to Baloch chieftains and also giving funds and weapons to Balochistan Liberation Army and Balochistan Liberation Front. These consulates have performed important role in worsening the situation in the province.
Besides their hand in Balochistan crisis, proofs have also been found that these consulates were extending help to elements who were conducting terrorist acts on Pak-Afghan borders and the government was investigation the incidents of Hangu by keeping this prospective in mind.
Sources disclosed that President Musharraf would discuss this matter with the Afghan president Hamid Karzai during his visit to Pakistan on Feb 15.
If situation would not improve, Pakistan would raise the issue directly with Indian government. However Pakistan would force Afghan government to ask Indian consulates in Afghanistan to refrain from intervening in internal affairs of Pakistan.



Save your gibberish for yourself . you have no idea what are u talking

Look who's talking.:tdown:
 
This is how the malicious Western forces put their hatred in action against China.


The Olympic Torch Relay Campaign
2008/04/08

LHASA/BERLIN(Own report) - Conference reports and the research of a Canadian journalist reveal that a German Foreign Ministry front organization is playing a decisive role in the preparations of the anti-Chinese Tibet campaign. According to this information, the campaign is being orchestrated from a Washington based headquarters. It had been assigned the task of organizing worldwide "protests" at a conference organized by the Friedrich Naumann Foundation (affiliated with the German Free Democratic Party - FDP) in May 2007. The plans were developed with the collaboration of the US State Department and the self-proclaimed Tibetan Government in Exile and call for high profile actions along the route of the Olympic Torch Relay and are supposed to reach a climax in August during the games in Beijing. The campaign began already last summer and is now profiting from the current uprising in the west of the People's Republic of China that is receiving prominent coverage in the German media. The uprising was initiated with murderous pogrom-like attacks by Tibetan gangs on non-Tibetan members of the population, including the Muslim Chinese minority. Numerous deaths of non-Tibetans provoked a reaction of the Chinese security forces.

According to the research by a Canadian journalist, a conference organized by the Friedrich Naumann Foundation (FNSt) gave the impetus to the current anti-Chinese Tibet campaign that violently forced the interruption of the Olympian Torch Relay in Paris last Monday.[1] The conference was the fifth "International Tibet Support Groups Conference," that was held from May 11 - 14, 2007 in Brussels. According to FNSt information this conference was supposed to do nothing other than the four preceding conferences [2] - "coordinate the work of the international Tibet groups and consolidate the links between them with the central Tibetan Government in Exile."[3] The German foundation, which is largely state financed, began the conference preparations in March 2005, and coordinated its plans with the Dalai Lama at his headquarters in the self-proclaimed Tibetan Government in Exile in Dharamsala, India. More than 300 participants from 56 countries, 36 Tibetan associations and 145 Tibet support groups were represented at the conference.

Roadmap
After several days of consultations the conference ended with a concerted "plan of action". The paper is entitled "Roadmap for the Tibet Movement for the Coming Years" covering four areas of interest: "political support for negotiations", "human rights", "environment and development" and "the 2008 Olympic games in Beijing." The results of the conference are directed to the Tibetan people as well as "their supporters around the world."[4] Rolf Berndt, a member of the FNSt's executive council in Brussels, declared that the Olympic Games "are an excellent opportunity" to publicly promote the cause of the "Tibet Movement".[5] The conference participants agreed to make the Olympics the single focus of attack for their activities for the next 15 months.[6] They hired a full-time organizer for their campaign, who has since been directing the worldwide Tibet actions from their Washington headquarters.

State Department
The decisions taken at the conference in Brussels, prepared by the Friedrich Naumann Foundation, are particularly significant not only because of the large number of participants but also because of the influential politicians who helped in their formulation. For example the self-proclaimed Tibetan Government in Exile, which enjoys much prestige among separatists, was represented by its "Prime Minister" Samdong Rinpoche. Also attending was another eminent politician from the Indian Himachal Pradesh state, bordering on the People's Republic of China, where the town Dharamsala is located, the "seat" of the Tibetan "Government in Exile." A brisk interchange takes place between Himachan Pradesh and the Chinese autonomous region of Tibet. Paula Dobriansky, the Undersecretary of State in the US State Department and special coordinator for Tibet questions also participated. She was a member of the National Security Council already in the Reagan Administration, continued her career in the State Department during the administration of President Bush Sr. and since 2001 was again in the US foreign ministry. Ms Drobriansky is considered to be one of the members of the neo-conservative inner circle in the Bush Administration and ranks as a hard-liner capable of imposing policy.

Every Day
As a Canadian journalist learned through his research, the campaign headquarters in Washington, that had been decided upon at the conference in Brussels, has been able to develop rather successful activities. Already at the beginning of August 2007, exactly one year before the opening of the Olympics, a close associate organized a high profile action at the tourist filled Great Wall to the north of Beijing. She maintains close contact to the Tibetan "Government in Exile".[7] Another close associate recently orchestrated the disturbance of the Olympic Torch Relay in Greece, seen on television around the world. The Washington headquarters is orchestrating other "protests" intended to disturb the Torch Relay. The campaign will reach its climax during the Olympic games in August. "We are determined to have non-violent direct action in the heart of Beijing, inside the Games, every day," one activist declared.[8]

Merciless
The anti-Chinese Tibet campaign, initiated under the direction of a German Foreign Ministry front organization (Friedrich Naumann Foundation) and a high-ranking representative of the US State Department, is developing its full efficacy in the aftermath of the uprisings in West People's Republic of China that began only a few days before the start of the Torch Relay. Whereas the German media mainly reported on brutal attacks of the Chinese security forces, eye-witness accounts provide a different picture of what happened. The British journalist, James Miles ("The Economist"), who was in Lhasa from March 12 - 19, reports of pogrom-like attacks by Tibetan gangs on non-Tibetan members of the population of the city, among them the Muslim minority. According to Miles, the shops of Tibetan merchants were marked and left unscathed while all other shops were plundered, destroyed or set afire.[9] In one building alone five textile saleswomen were burned to death. Besides Miles, western tourists also described the attacks on non-Tibetans. One Canadian saw how a group of Tibetans beat a Chinese motorcyclist and proceeded to "mercilessly" stone him. "Eventually they got him on the ground, they were hitting him on the head with stones until he lost consciousness. I believe that young man was killed,'' reported the tourist.[10]

Manipulations
Whereas Miles was describing the reluctant reactions of the Chinese security forces in an interview broadcast over CNN, the German media is using the uprisings as a backdrop to represent brutal Chinese repression. Facts obviously play a subordinate role. In the meantime, television channels and daily journals have had to admit manipulations of pictures. Film sequences with Nepalese policemen beating demonstrators were sold as documentation of alleged Chinese police attacks.[11] The security forces' saving a boy from an attacking Tibetan mob was coarsely labeled a violent arrest. Even Miles' report was editorially presented in a context to focus on Chinese repression. For the purpose of comparison, german-foreign-policy.com documents excerpts of a CNN interview with the British journalist as well as the corresponding passage from a renowned German daily.[12] (Click here.)

Anticipation
The pogrom-like mob-violence not only created the necessary media profile for the current Tibet campaign, initiated with the help of the Friedrich Naumann Foundation, it also permits an insight into the character of Tibetan separatism. The "prime minister" of the Tibetan "Exile Government," who had participated in the formulation of the plan of action at the May 2007 Tibet Conference in Brussels, had already at the end of the 1990s, expounded in the German media on his views of the future of non-Tibetans, who had immigrated to Tibet over the past 50 years. In the case of a successful secession, they will have to "return to China, or if they would like to remain, be treated as foreigners." He explained the planned measures: "they will, in any case, not be allowed to participate in the political life."[13] The prospect of discrimination against all non-Tibetan members of the population was anticipated in mid-March by mobs in their bloody attacks on Chinese and members of the Muslim minority.

Please read also Strategies of Attrition (I), Strategies of Attrition (II), Strategies of Attrition (III), Strategies of Attrition (IV) and The Olympic Lever.
[1] Doug Saunders: How three Canadians upstaged Beijing; Globe and Mail 29.03.2008. Die Konferenz wurde von der Friedrich-Naumann-Stiftung in Zusammenarbeit mit der selbsternannten tibetischen Exilregierung und einem interfraktionellen Zusammenschluss des belgischen Parlaments durchgeführt.
[2] Die ersten vier "International Tibet Support Groups Conferences" fanden 1990 (Dharamsala), 1996 (Bonn), 2000 (Berlin) und 2003 (Prag) statt. Bereits die zweite Konferenz wurde von der Friedrich-Naumann-Stiftung organisiert.
[3] Gerhardt kritisiert Belgien nach Absage des Dalai-Lama-Besuchs; Friedrich-Naumann-Stiftung für die Freiheit - Aktuelles 11.05.2007
[4] Brussels Tibet conference roadmap for peace in Tibet; Tibetan Government in Exile's Official Web Site 14.05.2007
[5] Valedictory Speech, International Tibet Support Groups Conference 5th, Dr. h.c. Rolf Berndt, Executive Director, Friedrich-Naumann-Stiftung fuer die Freiheit,Brussels, 14th May 2007
[6], [7}, [8] Doug Saunders: How three Canadians upstaged Beijing; Globe and Mail 29.03.2008
[9] Transcript: James Miles interview on Tibet; CNN 20.03.2008
[10] Chinese beaten mercilessly - tourists; Herald Sun 19.03.2008
[11] Fotos aus Tibet; Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung 24.03.2008
[12] see also Augenzeuge
[13] "99 Prozent der Tibeter vertrauen in Seine Heiligkeit"; Berliner Zeitung 20.10.1997. Ähnlich hat sich erst kürzlich der Dalai Lama geäußert. "Alle Chinesen, die Tibetisch sprechen und die tibetische Kultur respektieren, können bleiben", sagte er einer deutschen Zeitung - mit einer Einschränkung: "sofern es nicht zu viele sind". "China mischt sich auch in Deutschlands Angelegenheiten ein"; Süddeutsche Zeitung 21.09.2007

www.german-foreign-policy.com
 
I saw a Chinese forumer argued as follows when talking about Western hostility against China. This is the translation:

(Facing Western anti-China chorus) As Chinese, let’s retrospect profoundly: are we wrong? Where is the wrong? Compared with the Western countries, we don’t wage aggression, launch no wars, and colonize no places. The treasures of China are accumulated through hard work and management, not through plunge. In the ways the treasures are accumulated, wouldn’t aggressive colonial criminals such as UK and France feel shameful when facing the East and China?

But from Western anti-China forces, China is wrong, and is deadly wrong: What qualifies you China to be strong? Based on what capabilities should China be among the world economic powers? Why should your Chinese be so happy? How dare your Chinese try to parallel yourselves with that of the West?
 

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