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Why pray in Arabic and not in a language we understand?

I see your only contributions are emoticons in this thread and a fun fair visit, would you mind looking out of the door for RD.

My friend, you are too quick to judge, please see my previous posts in this thread.

RD is off-topic here, but we can take this up again in another, correct thread if you so wish.

BTW, remember the outrage over Ghulam Fai's arrest and arraignment? How many here are actually helping pay for his legal expenses?

I say once again: Don't be too quick to judge others! ;)
 
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Bhagawan is not bound by any region/people if you say prayers in English or Chinese it makes no diffrence to God :tup:

With all respect...I have to mention that we have different concepts about our deities and different ways of Pleasing our deities...
we all agree that THE ONE created the universe and everything inside..But we have different opinions about how to please the Divine being and obtain eternal success as in Jaanat for us, and Swarga for Hindus?
In Islam its "Allah kay hukam,Rasool ullah Kaa tareeqa" simple."The orders of Allah followed according to the ways of Prophet Muhammad PBUH"...Following Quran as the Holy Prophet Folllowed it...Quran o Sunnat.
In hinduism its something else which is not for us,but we are asked to have respect for other people's deities,religious icons and beliefs.

But yes i understand your point...THE ONE is so obvious from everything around us and every religion has enough proof for THE ONE...
 
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ok i'm late to the party but to the original poster, there's something really wrong with how you carried yourself out here.
This is you original question:

then i thought wouldn't it be better if we just prayed in our own language so that we may have a stronger bond with Allah SWT and have a more spiritual rather then physical Nimaz???Allah is aware of what is in our hearts and minds and he can understand all languages so why only pray in Arabic, ''unity'' may be one answer but then we can make public prayer like ''Azan'' in Arabic so that all may know of it but offer ''nimaz'' in our own language so that we may know of it..

now it's clear as the day here what you meant and are asking for. To say prayer(namaz) in a language we can understand and not the Quran language, which is Arabic, so we can be closer to Allah and also understand what we are praying. Couple of pages later this what you changed your tune into:



I never meant we should offer nimaz in urdu i meant to say we should atleast know what we are saying and then reading in the Quran..

now this totally different than what you originally asked. Now, I dont know what is going on with you, why pose a question in one manner than put a spin on it? also letting the opportunistic liberal left wing fascists take their jabs at Islam and then when cornered by other members you completely change your tune. Quran clearly defines people like that numerous times. I dont want to divulge into what kind those are.

No one's against learning the Quran and it's true meaning in your native language. You wont find any disagreement with that from anyone. But it's totally different when you want to implement your own native language to recite when you're praying namaz.
 
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Actually the problem has to do with "compulsion" La iqra Fideen is a basic idea - If someone wants to recite prayers or read Quran in whatever language they want, what possible objection can anyone else have to what any individual chooses for him or herself - but when the state uses her power to coerce and force people, well then, that's what all of this ferment is really about.

It is not an accident that newspapers and blogs are full of these ideas - fact of the matter is people are sick and tired of being forced to embrace this false religiosity - When ever people are forced to give up their conscience to the state, there will always be a rejection of this idea.

so what language do you pray namaz in?
 
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I have done my research and come to that conclusion after learning of the mathematical structure of the Quran. Any discrepancies between the script of the Quran's you find nowadays, the Tashkent Quran etc have been cleared up with this mathematical code.

You mean the mathematical structure that doesn't add up, unless you delete parts of the Quran (and thereby questioning its authenticity? )

Refuting Rashad Khalifa's "Law Of Preservation" Concept


Ousman Ahmad


According to Rashad Khalifa, the last 2 verses of Surah Tawba 9 are fabricated, so he decided to throw them out in his translation of the Quran (see here). Orthodox Muslims state that this claim of there being 2 false verses goes against Surah Hijr 15:9 and Surah Fussilat 41:42. However, Khalifa attempted to answer this over here.


He said:
As a rule,

A LAW DOES NOT EXIST UNLESS IT IS VIOLATED.
For example, let us assume that there is a law stating that you shall not leave this room. If you stay forever in this room, no one will ever know that such a law exists. But if you violate the law by leaving the room, and you are forced back into the room, then everyone knows that the law exists.

A LAW DOES NOT EXIST UNLESS IT IS VIOLATED
Thus, the violation of the law of preservation of Qur'an was in accordance with God's will in order to demonstrate to the world that such a law does indeed exist, and that any violation of the law shall be exposed and eliminated. Our Creator, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has given us a hint by refusing to prefix Sura 9 with His holy name.



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Khalifa even mentioned the above in his debate with Abdel Rahman (Time Slice: 35:31 - 36:38 - Source).

Anyone who ponders a little bit can see that this explanation is fallacious and absurd. So, laws don't exist unless they are violated, huh? According to this reasoning, the law of gravity does not exist, unless it is violated and therefore, the law of gravity can only be established unless it is violated! Also, according to this reasoning, the law of non-contradiction does not exist unless it is violated. That means, unless one can practically violate the law of non-contradiction (i.e. by drawing a triangle that's equilateral & scalene concurrently, or creating an uncreated mechanism), this law doesn't exist! However, we all know that the law of non-contradiction does exist, and it doesn't need to nor can be violated for it to exist. Also, according to Khalifa's logic:


A law does not exist unless it is violated.

Hence, the proposition: "A law does exist unless it is violated" must be false (since it contradicts the above).

Therefore, a law (the law of non-contradiction) does exist, without being violated.



If any of Khalifa's followers claim that "the 3rd premise is false", even that proves that a law (the law of non-contradiction) exists without being violated, because the opposite of this proposition (which is: "the 3rd premise is true" ) must be false, since it contradicts the claim that "the 3rd premise is false". So, Khalifa's reasoning is literally self refuting and inevitably leads to Reductio ad Absurdum. This is just one of the numerous evidences that Khalifa is a false Messenger.


Also, Khalifa's analogy he has given is false, because in the analogy, the law that you shall not leave the room exists, regardless if no-one would ever come to know it. Khalifa is confusing the existence of the law with whether or not someone knows about it. Just because no-one (except Allah) could ever know that a certain law exists, that does not mean that the law doesn't exist. Similarly, the law of preservation of the Quran does not have to be violated in order to exist. We know this law exists because Allah has told us that he would preserve the Quran (Surah 15:9). If 2 verses of the Quran were forged, the law would be violated, because falsehood and corruption cannot come near it (as in Surah 41:42).


Also, just because "Bismilla hir-Rahman nir-Rahim" does not exist in Surah 9, that does not suddenly give us a hint that the last 2 verses are forged. Khalifa (who himself is not an Islamic scholar) is creating his own standards here, which has not been affirmed by any trusted scholar. Of course, he wouldn't have a problem rejecting 1000's of scholars over a 1000 year period, because he would rather stick to his number 19 theory which has various flaws in it (*,*). Readers can read the following links to know why there is no Bismillah at the beginning of Surah 9.

Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs -
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20707
Islam Question and Answer - The order of Soorahs and Aayahs in the Qur
Why Surah Tawbah has no Basmalah at the begining - Islamweb.net -English
Ask-Imam.com [1358] My question is why "Bismillah-irrahaman-irrahim" is not mentioned at the beginning of sura At-Tauba, Sura number 9 in the Quran.
Syed Maududi's Commentary for Surah #9
http://islamicstudies.info/dawat/vol1/592.gif
http://islamicstudies.info/dawat/vol1/593.gif
Surah Taubah: Why no Bismillah? « at-Tazkirah:



He said:
"Another good example is the divine law that the angels possess the freedom of choice. It is obvious from 2:34, 7:11, 17:61, 18:50, & 20:116 that the angels possess the freedom of choice to obey or disobey God. When they do disobey God, they become angels no more; they become Jinns (18:50). However, the only reason we know that such law exists is that it has been violated. Only because Iblees (Satan) refused to bow down before Adam that we know that such a law exists. Had Satan obeyed God, and bowed down with the rest of the angels, we would have never known whether the angels possess the freedom of choice or not."



Reply:
Again, false analogy! If we agree with the incorrect premise that angels do have a free will to disobey, the law doesn't have to be violated in order to exist, because just because we might not know the law exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Khalifa is again confusing the existence of the law with whether or not it is known. Also, angels do not have a free will to disobey Allah (see here for more). None of those verses say this. Moreover, Khalifa indirectly implied Iblis used to be an angel. However, this is incorrect (see here, here and here).

Articles that refute Khalifa's claims concerning the last 2 verses of Surah 9 are available here:
Truth about the alleged 'false verses' 9:128-9 of Qur'an
Are The Verses From Surah 9:128-129 And Surah 33:23 Falsely Added To The Quran?



Also, refer to pages 57-62 of Dr. Bilal Philips' book: Quran's Numerical Miracle: 19 Hoax and Heresy. Hopefully, those who are followers of Rashad Khalifa will now open their eyes and abandon his innovated sect, and return to Orthodox Islam.

Refuting Rashad Khalifa's "Law Of Preservation" Concept
 
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^^^^ Too many misguiding websites for googling muslims who cant be arsed to go to their local mosque or a madrisah and ask an actual living breathing human being......

Instead they rather beleive what a phony website in the corner of world wide web says..Mind you over 8 billion websites floating around......and authenticity is always a problem..

Religious knowledge should be learnt from a living being called "Mullah" who has spent years learning it...Not a geek who knows HTML...and may well be someone with malicious intent and undisclosed agenda...of misguiding Muslims.

I totally agree with the above but the problem is that the last part you mentioned is something that the common man cannot get easily if he is lucky in the first place to get know one real "mullah"

Religious knowledge should be learnt from a living being called "Mullah" who has spent years learning it...Not a geek who knows HTML...and may well be someone with malicious intent and undisclosed agenda...of misguiding Muslims.

We all know how many so called "mullahs" are there in Pakistan. You will find a many of them in every city if not one in every street. A latest example was there for all of us to see few weeks back and stilll we see his followers call him and watch his prrogramme with great zeal.

So we are back to the point to learn Arabic (the language of Quran) to avoid falling prey to the "mullah"of your area who will twist and turn the meaning as he desires.
 
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A constant never changes !!!

Get over it lol here is no proof of any hidden message or verse other the skeptics
 
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I totally agree with the above but the problem is that the last part you mentioned is something that the common man cannot get easily if he is lucky in the first place to get know one real "mullah"



We all know how many so called "mullahs" are there in Pakistan. You will find a many of them in every city if not one in every street. A latest example was there for all of us to see few weeks back and stilll we see his followers call him and watch his prrogramme with great zeal.

So we are back to the point to learn Arabic (the language of Quran) to avoid falling prey to the "mullah"of your area who will twist and turn the meaning as he desires.
Don't worry Sir even if you learn Arabic teachings of Mullahs will be no different they will match with the Quran more than 90%
 
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I respect your dogmatic belief expressed in that statement.
Sir its the biggest fact which many Non Muslims even accept and because of this greatness of Quran Islam is the fastest growing Religion in the world
 
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Sir its the biggest fact which many Non Muslims even accept and because of this greatness of Quran Islam is the fastest growing Religion in the world

Yes, the many merits of Islam will win over the many disgraces its misguided followers are wreaking upon it these days, I am sure.
 
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I respect your dogmatic belief expressed in that statement.

It seems you believe the Qu'ran to be corrupted and distorted?

Which parts do you believe then and which ones do you discard as false?

What about the verses in which Allah promises to protect and safe guard the Qu'ran from coruption till the End of Times? Do you also believe these to be forged?

Please elaborate.
 
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It seems you believe the Qu'ran to be corrupted and distorted?

Which parts do you believe then and which ones do you discard as false?

What about the verses in which Allah promises to protect and safe guard the Qu'ran from coruption till the End of Times? Do you also believe these to be forged?

Please elaborate.

Your presumptions are wrong about my beliefs, and thus all inferences too.

There is no "selective" or "conditional" belief in the Quran; either one believes all of it or none of it. The interpretation, and then the practice of the ideals described therein, is the crux of Islam.
 
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