Why Pakistan is crucial to world stability

[Contrarian]

1. Maybe your government shouldn't cry out loud and try to solve her domestic issues first before trying to 'rebuild' Afghanistan and maligning my government.

2. Indian pressence in Afghanistan is part of the problem.

Neo, I still want to you answer this post of yours wrt to my answer in the next one.

 

[Neo]

Neo, I still want to you answer this post of yours wrt to my answer in the next one.

Malay,

In terms of realpolitik we both know why India is interested in Afghanistan. Its all about the post-US/Nato scenario and India's desire to encircle Pakistan by adding Afghanistan to her allies to get strategic depth.

This my friend is unacceptable for us, Afghanistan will remain our backyard as long as its unstable. Indian presence is backed by US and his puppet Karzai but none will last forever and Kabul once again will fall.

There's no unity in Afghanistan and comon Afghani is pro-taliban, more today than ever which puts us in a better position to regain control when the US/Nato is gone. This is the main reason behind ISI's backing of taliban or atleast some elements of the organisation and GoP has accepted it.

India may be rebuilding Afghanistan, its all too clear whats happening behind the scenes. Its ironic that six consulates have appeared in no time in an area no Indian has been seen in decades. Most rebuilding activities are concentrated around the capital except for the Indians who're poised to remain in the south near the Pakistan border...!

I can guarantee once the US/Nato leaves Afghanistan, and they will in near future probably sooner than we expect, missiles will be flying all over Qandahar and Indian 'consulates' in no time...they won't be fired by Pakistani's but by Talibans.

Indian presenace is only appreciated as long as Karzai is there, the post Karzai era will be a true nightmare....mark my words.

So don't tell me you're there to rebuild Afghanistan. You like the country that much you should not have stayed silent when your major ally and best friend destroyed the country in first place.

Our stance on Afghanistan partyly depends on Indian presence and makes you part of the problem.

 

[Contrarian]

You answered point 2 my friend, please i await your reply to point 1.

India wants good relations with Afghanistan, that is obvious. They want a strategic relationship with Afghanistan, that too is obvious. Afghanistan WAS Pakistan's backyard. Taliban will not regain Afghanistan, they will forever be on the fringes now, operating some boder chunk of areas. US/Nato are there for a while mate.

Even the government that comes after Karzai, will appreciate Indian help. Because India FOR NOW, is doing nothing more than giving things that Afghanistan badly needs. Any government will appreciate that.

Do you also realise that most Afghans dont like Pakistan a lot too? They like taliban, not Pakistan, whom they blame for the problems in their country.

 

[Neo]

Neo, I still want to you answer this post of yours wrt to my answer in the next one.

1. Maybe your government shouldn't cry out loud and try to solve her domestic issues first before trying to 'rebuild' Afghanistan and maligning my government.

I could reply this but not without going off-topic, I apologise!
India has been crying out loud whenever Karzai or some US official visits Delhi, expressed concerns about Pak-Afghanis border.

Clean up your own house first, deal with Maoists who are responsible for half the terrorist attacks in India but nobody seems to care.

Deal with the insurgency in North East and try to rebuild this area marked as India's 'last resort'.

Solve Kashmir and end fake encounters to systematically kill innocent civilians and bring those responsible criminals to justice.

Only then I'll believe that you're sincere about rebuilding Afghanistan and want to cuntribute to regional peace and stability.

 

[Contrarian]

I could reply this but not without going off-topic, I apologise!
India has been crying out loud whenever Karzai or some US official visits Delhi, expressed concerns about Pak-Afghanis border.

Clean up your own house first, deal with Maoists who are responsible for half the terrorist attacks in India but nobody seems to care.

Deal with the insurgency in North East and try to rebuild this area marked as India's 'last resort'.

Solve Kashmir and end fake encounters to systematically kill innocent civilians and bring those responsible criminals to justice.

Only then I'll believe that you're sincere about rebuilding Afghanistan and want to cuntribute to regional peace and stability.

So in your words, US which also has absolute poverty in many areas though not comparable to India, should not do anything till the time they completely solve that?

Isnt it India's money? Therefore India's choice where and when her money goes? If India decides to spend money in Afghanistan, it is no one else's business. Like i said, India Afghanistan have a bilateral relationship, not a trilateral one. Pakistan seems to be very angry at losing her 'backyard', primarily as Pakistan always decided what Afghanistan will do.

 

[Adux]

Maoist is responsible for Half of India's problem, its a minute a problem compared to Kashmir situation. I suggest you Look a bit more closer

 

[Adux]

India is playing Afghanistan very well, India has political as well as public support in Afghanistan, it was pre-taliban and even now, So best of luck Pakistan. Cuz Taliban aint coming back, Even after the US leaves.The US will see to it

 

[Neo]

So in your words, US which also has absolute poverty in many areas though not comparable to India, should not do anything till the time they completely solve that?

Comparing apples with oranges? Bro when we talk povery in India we're talking extremes!

Isnt it India's money? Therefore India's choice where and when her money goes? If India decides to spend money in Afghanistan, it is no one else's business. Like i said, India Afghanistan have a bilateral relationship, not a trilateral one.

Yes, its your money and you can spend it the way you want it and wherever you want it.
Just don't tell me that major thrive behind this love affair with Kabul is about rebuilding the nation. You're just there to look after your own interets.
Politics is ever selfserving, India is no exception there.

Pakistan seems to be very angry at losing her 'backyard', primarily as Pakistan always decided what Afghanistan will do.

On the contrary!
We've been very calm about the Indian activities in Qandahar area. It only reaffirms our confidence that we'll not lose control in the region.
Just wait till the US/Nato is gone. We're not losing our backyard.

 

[Neo]

India is playing Afghanistan very well, India has political as well as public support in Afghanistan, it was pre-taliban and even now, So best of luck Pakistan. Cuz Taliban aint coming back, Even after the US leaves.The US will see to it

Nobody including Pakistan wants Taliban to come back, not now not after the US/Nato leave.
All we want is to see a government that will bring stability into the region and our border.
Northern Alliance has no control over the south nor public support...it has no power outside Kabul.

We'll make sure NA goes and whoever takes over has our support and blessing.

 

[Adux]

Malay,

I agree with Neo, We are there to trouble Pakistan

Neo,

Pakistan is silent, Cuz it cant do anything

 

[Neo]

Malay,

I agree with Neo, We are there to trouble Pakistan

Sarcasm is lost on me...your words.

Neo,

Pakistan is silent, Cuz it cant do anything

We're doing enough to protect out interests. Time will tell...

 

[Adux]

No Sarcasm, I dont think india opened 5 consulates there, to process visa? Its about time, Pakistan got a taste of its own medicine; We been suffering too long, and about time RAW proved its worth

 

[Contrarian]

I can say with a certain amount of credibility that India has used and is using its Afghanistan embassies to carry out its operations in Pakistan.

 

[Contrarian]

Comparing apples with oranges? Bro when we talk povery in India we're talking extremes!

I know, i was just giving an example. Who decides what amount of pverty is acceptable? The US or India or Pakistan? Who? US is spending the amount it deems fit on other purposes besides its mandatory expenditures, as are we. India does not have a dictator(and i dont intend to imply Pakistan here, but rather as a general thing) that it can destroy the country by ruthlessly spending money wherever. Its a political party, they will lose elections if the public think they are not handling finances properly.

Yes, its your money and you can spend it the way you want it and wherever you want it.
Just don't tell me that major thrive behind this love affair with Kabul is about rebuilding the nation. You're just there to look after your own interets.
Politics is ever selfserving, India is no exception there.

Obviously mate. India cares about its strategic ambitions and is thus spending money there. What is wrong with that? Its about rebuilding Afghanistan which in turn will provide us a LOT of good will and will generate bonhomie between our nations. You may have noticed, no aid to Afghanistan is military in nature.

On the contrary!
We've been very calm about the Indian activities in Qandahar area. It only reaffirms our confidence that we'll not lose control in the region.
Just wait till the US/Nato is gone. We're not losing our backyard.

US/NATO will make sure that whoever comes in Afghanistan is consistent with the US policies and not against it, otherwise there was no purpose to liberate(i know ) Afghanistan in the first place.

This automatically ensures that we get a part of the pie. A pie which till now was entirely,exclusively for Pakistan.

 

[PakSniper]

God you Indians are wet dreaming, you people actually think India is going to get a pie in Afghanistan, lol.

Buddy Afghanistan isn't going to be stable, they are always going to be fighting each other, alot of the tribes their support the Taliban including those in Pakistan what makes you think, it will be their for India, also recently Pakistan diplomats showed first hand evidence of Indian activity (which as usual you people rejected, including pictures that were presented), so don't think our ISI is just sitting their doing nothing. Some saying the Taliban ain't coming back, lol, guess again with all the efforts NATO/US is making they will just supply the Afghan nation army with weapons and they themselves will leave soon. Hell they planning on to leave Iraq soon as well, everyone knows this is all a failure for US.

Afghanistan has always been Pakistan's back yard and will remain so, we have more leverage over it than India, some are talking about economic benefits for Indian remember it has to go through Pakistan (or Iran but that would be a little time consuming and expensive). Once they leave ISI will continue their work again on a large scale, also what makes you people think ISI/Pakistan isn't doing anything in Afghanistan you think those Talibans are supplying themselves, of course ISI is supplying money, etc.

It's not as easy as some Indians here think, that they are benefiting, lol. Wetdreamers.