Why Pakistan is crucial to world stability

[Adux]

Yes both sides r on war, u accept that
As again and again pointed out by webby as well, "its an open war", if bombing a mosque or wedding to be called collateral dammage, then i would call those people bombing the markets the same. "Collateral damage".

The only difference is in way of fighting and available resources.

No it isnt, Primary Targets of any Army is not Markets or Civilian Population; But Targets which will achieve them their Objectives, While Terrorist do that for creating fear and anarchy, which actually is counter-productive to a miliatry if they does it. Their Nations can be Held responsible and punished,While loosely organized men can get away with it.

 

[Adux]

God you Indians are wet dreaming, you people actually think India is going to get a pie in Afghanistan, lol.

Buddy Afghanistan isn't going to be stable, they are always going to be fighting each other, alot of the tribes their support the Taliban including those in Pakistan what makes you think, it will be their for India, also recently Pakistan diplomats showed first hand evidence of Indian activity (which as usual you people rejected, including pictures that were presented), so don't think our ISI is just sitting their doing nothing. Some saying the Taliban ain't coming back, lol, guess again with all the efforts NATO/US is making they will just supply the Afghan nation army with weapons and they themselves will leave soon.

Afghanistan has always been Pakistan's back yard and will remain so, we have more leverage over it than India, some are talking about economic benefits for Indian remember it has to go through Pakistan (or Iran but that would be a little time consuming and expensive).

It's not as easy and some Indians here think, they are benefiting, lol. Wetdreamers.

Adnan,

Then I guess you dont have to worry about anything.

 

[Contrarian]

God you Indians are wet dreaming, you people actually think India is going to get a pie in Afghanistan, lol.

Buddy Afghanistan isn't going to be stable, they are always going to be fighting each other, alot of the tribes their support the Taliban including those in Pakistan what makes you think, it will be their for India, also recently Pakistan diplomats showed first hand evidence of Indian activity (which as usual you people rejected, including pictures that were presented), so don't think our ISI is just sitting their doing nothing. Some saying the Taliban ain't coming back, lol, guess again with all the efforts NATO/US is making they will just supply the Afghan nation army with weapons and they themselves will leave soon.

Oh it doesnt matter whether Afghanistan is stable or not. What matters is that Pakistan will no longer have the control of Afghanistan as it used to. There may be fighting, there may be civil wars, but Afghanistan wont provide "strategic depth" to Pakistan any more, that is sure. Pakistan will help the talibs or some tribe, that wont translate to any action or support to Pakistan on the national level of afghanistan.

Even if US supplies weapons and leaves, Taliban will still not be able to win. US will ensure that. India will continue to have the good relations it is currently enjoying.

Afghanistan has always been Pakistan's back yard and will remain so, we have more leverage over it than India, some are talking about economic benefits for Indian remember it has to go through Pakistan (or Iran but that would be a little time consuming and expensive).

Sure it was Pakistan's backyard, as you can see, it is not anymore. Unless taliban RULE afghanistan, it wont be in the future as well.

It's not as easy and some Indians here think, they are benefiting, lol. Wetdreamers.

If you say so.

 

[PakSniper]

Oh it doesnt matter whether Afghanistan is stable or not. What matters is that Pakistan will no longer have the control of Afghanistan as it used to. There may be fighting, there may be civil wars, but Afghanistan wont provide "strategic depth" to Pakistan any more, that is sure. Pakistan will help the talibs or some tribe, that wont translate to any action or support to Pakistan on the national level of afghanistan.

Who needs national level support, when taliban ruled it was half of Afghanistan (up to Kabul). Pakistan doesn't need strategic debt to counter Indian influence their, do same thing as in Kashmir support insurgency (similar to what US is doing in Iran).

Even if US supplies weapons and leaves, Taliban will still not be able to win. US will ensure that. India will continue to have the good relations it is currently enjoying.

Those relations are different, but whole worthily India wouldn't have much benefit besides a few, knowing that Pakistan can infiltrate Afghanistan any time to carry out operations, India can't do that with such ease.

Sure it was Pakistan's backyard, as you can see, it is not anymore. Unless taliban RULE Afghanistan, it wont be in the future as well.

You don't need Taliban rule in Afghanistan to make it your backyard, remember Kabul doesn't have much power over Afghanistan, the man can't even leave his capital knowing his days will be shortened.

Over all we seen how Karzai is whinning, lol, shows how much control he has over the nation.

 

[EagleEyes]

I can say with a certain amount of credibility that India has used and is using its Afghanistan embassies to carry out its operations in Pakistan.

Prove it.

India, and carrying operation against Pakistan through Afghanistan? What a joke of the day.

 

[Adux]

Prove it.

India, and carrying operation against Pakistan through Afghanistan? What a joke of the day.

Prove What India does, or does not,
I am saying it does, So does the Pakistani government

 

[kidwaibhai]

I do think that the INDIANS are really active in afghanistan and balochistan and to everybody who thinks that the taliban are going to comeback are so wrong the iranian the indians and the west will not allow that to happen. I think it is time for the ISI to start thinking of making afghanistan into pro pakistan in a different way. secondly look what the ISI is doing in bangladesh you dont have to be close to a country to cauz problems the indians are constantly blaming BD that it is allowing militants into its country un checked and i have even herd reports that there are entire training camps built by the ISI in BD also we can look at SRI LANKA the way the pakistani army and ISI are helping them defeat the tamils so i dont think that the ISI is holding back at all infact i think it has become more active in INDIA's back yard

 

[EagleEyes]

Prove What India does, or does not,
I am saying it does, So does the Pakistani government

Either it does. Or it doesn't.

India is just not capable of creating instability through Afghanistan. Period.

 

[Adux]

Either it does. Or it doesn't.

India is just not capable of creating instability through Afghanistan. Period.

So the Pakistani Government is lying or simple harping geo-politics, Balochi's are getting arms only from Iran , money is only from Oman and UAE, India is not playing any part?

One hand you tell me in different threads India is making all kinds of problems in Balochistan and NWFP, Exporting and Encouraging Terrorism, On other hand you are telling me they arent doing anything. Why dont you make your stand clear

 

[Bull]

Malay,In terms of realpolitik we both know why India is interested in Afghanistan. Its all about the post-US/Nato scenario and India's desire to encircle Pakistan by adding Afghanistan to her allies to get strategic depth..

The last time they entered afghanistan was when they were at war with communism and left only after they won against the communists.

This time would be no different. US is currently at war with jihadists, come what may they will stay in Afganistan they are defeated.

And that wont happen anytime soon,you might have to wait for decades my friend. And these decades are enough for India to do what i wants to do.

And all these coming times your govt can only support Taliban covertly and would be under tremendous pressure from US/NATO to act and might do so also as Mushraff needs US support to stay in power.

And this is going to create even more frictions within the Pakistani system between the pro and anti taliban factions.

 

[Bull]

Nobody including Pakistan wants Taliban to come back, not now not after the US/Nato leave.
All we want is to see a government that will bring stability into the region and our border.
Northern Alliance has no control over the south nor public support...it has no power outside Kabul.

We'll make sure NA goes and whoever takes over has our support and blessing.

What other options does pakistan has? Can Pakistan act against the talibans in filling up the vaccum the NATO creates when it leaves Afghanistan.

When they are in your country its your ISI and tribals which gives them safe haven as you yourself rightly said.

Im sure ISI understands politics but does the tribals understand that ?

For them Taliban are their brothers,who fights infidels and implements Islam righteously and they would definitly fight anybody who fights taliban.

So if tomorrow NATO leaves and Pakistan doesnt want Taliban to control Afghanistan you might have to fight the tribals along with the Talibans, and that fight will happen in Pakistan not in Afghanistan.

 

[Bull]

Prove it.

India, and carrying operation against Pakistan through Afghanistan? What a joke of the day.

Neo said that we just noded.

 

[Contrarian]

Who needs national level support, when taliban ruled it was half of Afghanistan (up to Kabul). Pakistan doesn't need strategic debt to counter Indian influence their, do same thing as in Kashmir support insurgency (similar to what US is doing in Iran).

Who cares? We still win!! Dont you get it?

Those relations are different, but whole worthily India wouldn't have much benefit besides a few, knowing that Pakistan can infiltrate Afghanistan any time to carry out operations, India can't do that with such ease.

India would have $hit loads of benifits from Afghanistan, and thus the base in Tajikistan.

You don't need Taliban rule in Afghanistan to make it your backyard, remember Kabul doesn't have much power over Afghanistan, the man can't even leave his capital knowing his days will be shortened.

So you hope.

Over all we seen how Karzai is whinning, lol, shows how much control he has over the nation.

So? Musharraf is also whining, shows how much control he has over the nation.

 

[kidwaibhai]

Ok when did musharraf whine about anything. He is not the kind of guy who whines. He goes out there and gets it done

 

[PakSniper]

Who cares? We still win!! Dont you get it?


India would have $hit loads of benifits from Afghanistan, and thus the base in Tajikistan.


So you hope.


So? Musharraf is also whining, shows how much control he has over the nation.

What kind of stupid responses are these, sorry but its you who don't get it, just continue with your "wet dreams". Oh, and Mushy doesn't whine unlike Afghan and Indian leaders.

You don't win nothing cause Afghan has nothing to offer, if you talking about spying well Pakistan is doing the same thing as well to keep India under tabs.