Why Pakistan is crucial to world stability

[Neo]

Thankyou for providing the source Neo.
Yes India offered facilities to the US.

The link isn't about providing facilities only. It also proves my earlier point, marked as 'rumor' by you btw, that India has pointed out locations of alledged terrorist capms in Pakistan.

INDIA: Indian intelligence officials say they have given the United States information about Islamic extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, including evidence on bin Laden and other Muslim militant leaders. Officials also say India is ready to let the United States use its military bases for any retaliation.

 

[Contrarian]

I live in a dreamland, and that is Pakistan. I am proud of it. Though i often like to wake people up who cant see the other part of the scenerio and come up with childish dreams that India doesn't need help in raiding Azad Kashmir camps without realizing the consequences of border violations and there is no such thing as Azad Kashmir camps

Pakistan is cruicial to world security, because it is on the war on terror, without the Pakistan card, U.S can't achieve what it has messed up.

Do you realise webby that Pakistan is equally culpable in creating this terrorist menace? Do you ever wonder why 99% of all terrorists have links in Pakistan?

 

[EagleEyes]

Malay it depends on who you call terrorists. Everyone fights for their own interest.

 

[Contrarian]

Malay it depends on who you call terrorists. Everyone fights for their own interest.

One who kills unarmed civilians to make a point to the ruling government. For demands whatsoever, cessation of land or whatever.

 

[Neo]

Do you ever wonder why 99% of all terrorists have links in Pakistan?

Thats BS Malay!

Thats what you want the world to believe but infact there are insurgencies all over the world, from Fillipines to Peru with no links to Pakistan or ISI.

I know many Indians in other fora try to link each and every terror plot to Pakistan and I won't deny that many deranged Pakistani's are involved in such tragic and shamefull events but my government or country is not to be blamed for their involvement.

 

[EagleEyes]

One who kills unarmed civilians to make a point to the ruling government. For demands whatsoever, cessation of land or whatever.

So you call United States Army as terrorist forces too for killing unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and in Iraq?

 

[Contrarian]

Thats BS Malay!

Thats what you want the world to believe but infact there are insurgencies all over the world, from Fillipines to Peru with no links to Pakistan or ISI.

I know many Indians in other fora try to link each and every terror plot to Pakistan and I won't deny that many deranged Pakistani's are involved in such tragic and shamefull events but my government or country is not to be blamed for their involvement.

Neo, your PRESENT government is not resposible, the seeds for these things were sown long back, but the present governments lack of strict crackdown on any kind of terrorist is still somewhat weird as especially he claims that terrorists are a threat to Pakistan as well. Still allowing training camps in AJK, letting renamed terrorist orgs run the entire aid programme in the earthquake hit areas, etc, etc point to some game being played there.

 

[alamgir]

Pakistan as well.

Still allowing training camps in AJK, letting renamed terrorist orgs run the entire aid programme in the earthquake hit areas, etc, etc point to some game being played there.

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people of pakistan not call them terrorist, they are freedom fighter agianst brutal occupation of india in kashmir

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

India is a democratic state, it cannot do the bidding of the united states of america as america wants it to be done. It can't and won't do the american dirty work. There is too much disssention amongst the indian politicians and too much pride involved to tow to the american line. A good example was the turkish parliament's decision for not giving right of way to the american forces through turkey. The hindu pride will not let it bow down to the american. India wants to be a super power, and if it makes a compromise with the americans to be their bird-dogs, that is what they will remain for awhile.

Now pakistan, a semi democratic / on its way of becoming a democratic state which has always kow-towed to the american line without asking any questions first, has no hesitation of jumping through the hoops for awhile. We donot have too many choices. But once the pakistani millitary gets a bit stronger in its air and naval wings and closes the gap a tad bit with the indians, pakistan may not be as obliging as it is now. For pakistan, there is no reason at this stage not to do the american biddings.

The sanctions have been lifted after 9/11 and even if the U S doesnot want to sell its equipment to pakistan, pakistan is free to approach other nations

India can support the american effort in the indian ocean definitely, but other than that, hindustan has its own limitations because of its geographic location. India has the ability to do more negative in this area because of its size and economy. Seeds of dissention in afghanistan and pakistan will keep the indian people very very happy, but then india would still stay as an ordinary nation. Peace and strong alliance with pakistan would turn a new page in the history of the sub-continent, but indian public won't accept the political decision just like that.

Amongst the many things that the indians will have to do is to redefine the american term of "terrorist" and start accepting the term freedom fighter. They will find out that pretty soon this term will become 'passe'.

 

[Adux]

Mastan,

A very good Post, It got nothing to do with Hindu pride or anything, When you have a coalition politics, which has the communist, muslims etc; the government of India cannot play along with American Lines to such an extent that Pakistan can.

Freedom Fighter, is not a person who tie''s a belt of explosives to his waist and blows up a market in New Delhi or Israel or fly's a plane into a building. I am sure Jinnah didnt have such a belt, did he now. We South Asians of all people who got our freedom in a political way during a times when British treated us Sub-Human and there werent such media coverage.

 

[Adux]

So you call United States Army as terrorist forces too for killing unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and in Iraq?

No way, US are doing the right thing, Why dont they just form an Army and fight them, rather than exploding bombs in Markets, I rather have US Army killing any people with those tendencies.

 

[melb4aust]

No way, US are doing the right thing, Why dont they just form an Army and fight them, rather than exploding bombs in Markets, I rather have US Army killing any people with those tendencies.

Pardon my ignorance here, it was the US army or navy or whatever, who bombed innocent civilians and they accpeted the collatrial dammmage in the past if u go back and read. There are plenty of cases, i bet webby was pointing those ones.

 

[Adux]

So, that is War. I am sure collateral damage has happened on both side of Indian and Pakistan, when we shelled each other discrimintly. When terrorist hide in civilian structures as well when they use civilians as human shields, these things happen.

I am talking about Rules of Engagement, I am ready to reconginze any Freedom Fighting organziation, which follow the Rules of Engagement. It is the same Rules of Engagement that Pakistan follows; The World order will crumble if Non-state actors are allowed to play

 

[PakSniper]

Man this thread is such a joke, choking on each others sides'. I see alot of Indians acting as if their nation is an angel, must learn India isn't shining either they have their own problems and supporting terror groups in Sri Lanka, etc (you can act as if your helping but their are always dealing under the table).

Adux, you support the US so much, I wonder what it would feel like when bombs start droping on your street, you talk about Rules of Engagement, did you know in a certain village in Iraq US army was ordered to kill any men of fighting age, now do you call that Rules of Engagement?? Its a war crime! Then you have the prison scandal, etc. No, nation follows these rules, I have heard Ex-Soldiers in my village talking about how they took Indian soldiers and just butchered them, etc and I'm sure Indian did the same. When you think about war don't think they will follow these rules they are made to satisfy the safety of the upper nations while it's not applied to the lower ones. You have "high way of death" from the first Gulf war, were the planers taken to court to face the crime "No". Their are hunderds of examples out their. Recently, Israel used children as human shields, and you don't see West making a fuss, and neither were those responsible were brought forth, the news just died out, what I'm getting at is "Their are no rules in war, in this age and time".

To answer some of the others claiming Pakistan brought terror, go back and read your history, Taliban and AQ were a creation of US, but man power was supplied from Pakistan and other Arab nations. So don't point at Pakistan for creating this mess, everyone in ME including the US were responsible and they left us in the dirt. India itself is supporting terror in Sri Lanka and recently news from China of India housing some militants, etc (do your own search and you will find out). Those saying India willn't bow down, give me a break, no one in this world can stand up to US and answer "NO" and that includes India, did this so called democracy stop US from supplying bombs to Israel for Lebanon?

 

[Adux]

Adnan,

Yes, See the point is These people are bound by Rules of engagement when caught by authorities can be proscuted, at the same time Non-state Actors are as medival as it can get. It is exactly like how Koran is guide to Religious Following for some Humans, similar it is a guide.

I am sure Indian and Pakistan army has done that, I am sure US must have done that too, but it is just a small portion. There is a difference between Collateral Damage and Terror. Military doesnt achieve anything by bombing a Market, while terror " freedom fighters" gets anrachy chaos, something they need to thrive in.