Jungibaaz
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They don't take advice of their most important allies, they won't care what Pakistan says. No one needs the headache, even Europeans/Americans wanting to distance themselves from Israel because it gives them headache. Europe is secular, Israel is secular lifestyle but run by religious right wing which has religious fantasies that guide their policies towards the Palestinians.
UK and USA along with UN recognize Israel right? How many times has Israel listened to them regarding their human rights issues?
And what is the obvious reason ?
What has Qatar achieved with its formal relations with Israel ?
What did Turkey achieve when its citizens were killed by the Israeli troops despite Turkey being a major military trading partner ?
What has Egypt been able to do for Palestine with its relations with Israel?
No sarcasm, just honest questions.
Incorrect. Israel has succumbed to pressure by the US, and you have not realised it or perceived it. A simple question, who is the master of will between the following; a section of Israelis themselves that may do something widely condemned and not supported, and if then would they sustain themselves on their own, or are the Americans as a whole and those who govern the limits Israel must abide by the most powerful, or is it those in American politics who lobby and exert their in enforcing limits where they please and removing them wherever convenient, often as it is in favour of the Israelis?
John Mearsheimer once discussed this in great detail, and what he said is very telling in places, though I disagree with it in other places, to the best of my understanding he overstated the power of the lobbies in some particular cases and did not consider or perhaps just not comment on intervening variables, or intervening lobbies and interests rather.
For example, I can let you know, probably among the most extreme supporters of the Israelis was the Bush Sr administration, though they did not receive any lobby funding, why? It's because their stance was not public, it just so happened that for whatever OTHER reasons they saw it within their interests to do it this way, independent of whether; public opinion supported it, whether it was in Israel's interests, whether it was in the US' interests, or any lobby pressure/support.
If the interests of the Israelis ever conflicted with the interests of the US, really think about this now, who do you think, if any, would sway the other to their position? Now, the answer is not obvious or intuitive, this is because that to us, we bystanders look on in confusion at this little tiny nation with it's significant yet still very small lobby seemingly causing pain and going against the interests of their benefactors who are much larger and exponentially larger. The answer to this puzzling riddle is, that both the Israelis and the US have had their governments conform to take a stances that sometimes seem to be not in the interests of one or the other, but they don't seem to be too keen on conflict or cutting ties or exerting pressure. It is because that even when Israel is acting against its own interests in compromising its security in building settlements and the US is also compromising its interests in supporting it and having its image and credibility ruined and added headaches to deal with, someone in that loop is benefiting, otherwise it would not be happening.
You think that Google, Lockheed, Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, Chevron etc would stand by if their interests were compromised by Israel? Or that they stood to lose ANYTHING at all if the Israelis did one thing or the other? Absolutely not, those giants could have the Israeli lobby on their knees begging for mercy at a whim, within minutes of making any decision to do so. But it doesn't happen.
Now, all that is just there to show you that your idea that Israel is somehow invincible when it comes to foreign pressure is false, in fact it will succumb if given the right motivation, and in order to exert pressure pissed off Muslim countries have no say really. Sure, we're pissed off, so what? Where does it advance the Palestinian cause or the cause for peace? You think the Israelis aren't aware of the fact that when settlements are announced or when pictures of dead babies hit our television screens there isn't a backlash? Be it only opinion polls or protests, they know there's an effect, they do it anyway. What alternatives you may suggest have been tried and have rather fatal flaws that I can easily mention above.
Instead, what a country like Pakistan can do, though irrelevant now, recognize Israel and use diplomacy and relations to exert pressure for it not to overstep the limits imposed upon states that abide by international law, and to heed the advice of its diplomatic relations and pay attention to such cables for its own sake or for maintaining said relations.
I will give you a small example, here in the UK, the Universities students would come out in their thousands to protest in London against Israeli aggression, not a peep from the Israeli apologists, not much of a response form the British government, only stand alone MPs disobeying party lines and speaking up. Point is, nothing happened, no pressure or any heat did the Israelis feel. However, when Student Unions began circulating the idea of an academic boycott of Israeli universities and firms, that hurt, and a few universities actually passed the BDS movement into official university policy, THAT is serious damage and actual pressure, and in fact, the days before the votes, I know and saw with my own eyes how troubled Israeli apologists felt, and how they urged their supporters to do something against this.
We should learn something from this, there is no point in standing by and shouting, if you want pressure and your voice to be heard, do something to allow yourself that advantage, you need not compromise principle to do it.
Also, it is funny you mention Turkey, it is they who have caused Israel more grief and stress than the rest combined in using their diplomatic gain, yet again, for why that hasn't done anything significant, see above.