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Why Pakistan does not recognize to Israel ?

It is time to recognize Israel, we have no enmity with Israel and we don't have to because of some 3rd parties who are shacking hands with our enemies if they can shake hands with our rivals we reserve the right as well, enough of this BS.

I agree with nearly everything you say. But I differ with your criteria for foreign relations. Pakistan SHOULD ONLY make relations with nations who can provide us with tangible and useful economic, military strategic or high tech incentives. Preferably make us self sufficient in these areas. Like China. The israelis cannot do any of this for us so they are a meaningless entity to us as we are to them. 2 nations who could potentially really benefit Pakistan and give us useful things are Turkey & Indonesia.
 
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this is a very touchy topic. on one hand you want to do whats best for both. but on the other hand one of the two does not care. the way i see it is that pakistan should do the china approach. recognise isreal and then leave it at that. just because you recognise a country doesn't mean you have to interact with them. the US is not expecting Benjamin netenyahu and Nawaz sharif to hug and kiss and the next UN assembly

look at Jordan... perfect example. an arab country recognising israel. there are very close, heck israel even gave jordan cobras gunships for use against isis. and pakistan has in the past done very quiet, low key deals regarding f16 parts. but i do understand pakistans argument of recognising Israel after isreal recognises Palestine, and the world is watching isreal taking Palestine bit by bit.
 
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A country that does not define its borders and thrives on us aid,80% of its citizen are dual or triple nationality holders,whose citizens don't like to use their own country's passport when they travel and believe in a fairytale that their ancestors are from the middle east hence they are Gods chosen people and the land given to them by God are waiting for a messiah to come and trying to destroy al aqsa because they think as their holy temple is underneath it,have been spying on their best ally and been bombing them to bring them into war and you really think Pakistan should recognize Israel?...call me a bloody molvi but I will never believe the lies these Zionists tell you. So yeah F isreal
 
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Molvi no muslim world gives a flying fck about pakistan .. so save that garbage for some one else .. Nations works for its interests ! Pakistanis have shed enough blood for arabs enough of it now !
Sorry Israel was and is and will remain enemy would never be recognized accepting Israel is not in our interest
 
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Why Palestine isn't supporting Pakistan on the Kashmir issue ?
Palestine isn't a state yet. They don't have any clout. They're not even a full member of the UN. They barely have a government. How on Earth do you expect them to help Pakistan on the Kashmir Issue?

Sorry for being blunt, but this particular argument is completely and utterly stupid.
 
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Israel and pakistan cannot have diplomatic relation at cost of palestenian blood
 
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Incorrect. Israel has succumbed to pressure by the US, and you have not realised it or perceived it. A simple question, who is the master of will between the following; a section of Israelis themselves that may do something widely condemned and not supported, and if then would they sustain themselves on their own, or are the Americans as a whole and those who govern the limits Israel must abide by the most powerful, or is it those in American politics who lobby and exert their in enforcing limits where they please and removing them wherever convenient, often as it is in favour of the Israelis?

John Mearsheimer once discussed this in great detail, and what he said is very telling in places, though I disagree with it in other places, to the best of my understanding he overstated the power of the lobbies in some particular cases and did not consider or perhaps just not comment on intervening variables, or intervening lobbies and interests rather.

For example, I can let you know, probably among the most extreme supporters of the Israelis was the Bush Sr administration, though they did not receive any lobby funding, why? It's because their stance was not public, it just so happened that for whatever OTHER reasons they saw it within their interests to do it this way, independent of whether; public opinion supported it, whether it was in Israel's interests, whether it was in the US' interests, or any lobby pressure/support.

If the interests of the Israelis ever conflicted with the interests of the US, really think about this now, who do you think, if any, would sway the other to their position? Now, the answer is not obvious or intuitive, this is because that to us, we bystanders look on in confusion at this little tiny nation with it's significant yet still very small lobby seemingly causing pain and going against the interests of their benefactors who are much larger and exponentially larger. The answer to this puzzling riddle is, that both the Israelis and the US have had their governments conform to take a stances that sometimes seem to be not in the interests of one or the other, but they don't seem to be too keen on conflict or cutting ties or exerting pressure. It is because that even when Israel is acting against its own interests in compromising its security in building settlements and the US is also compromising its interests in supporting it and having its image and credibility ruined and added headaches to deal with, someone in that loop is benefiting, otherwise it would not be happening.

You think that Google, Lockheed, Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, Chevron etc would stand by if their interests were compromised by Israel? Or that they stood to lose ANYTHING at all if the Israelis did one thing or the other? Absolutely not, those giants could have the Israeli lobby on their knees begging for mercy at a whim, within minutes of making any decision to do so. But it doesn't happen.

Now, all that is just there to show you that your idea that Israel is somehow invincible when it comes to foreign pressure is false, in fact it will succumb if given the right motivation, and in order to exert pressure pissed off Muslim countries have no say really. Sure, we're pissed off, so what? Where does it advance the Palestinian cause or the cause for peace? You think the Israelis aren't aware of the fact that when settlements are announced or when pictures of dead babies hit our television screens there isn't a backlash? Be it only opinion polls or protests, they know there's an effect, they do it anyway. What alternatives you may suggest have been tried and have rather fatal flaws that I can easily mention above.

Instead, what a country like Pakistan can do, though irrelevant now, recognize Israel and use diplomacy and relations to exert pressure for it not to overstep the limits imposed upon states that abide by international law, and to heed the advice of its diplomatic relations and pay attention to such cables for its own sake or for maintaining said relations.

I will give you a small example, here in the UK, the Universities students would come out in their thousands to protest in London against Israeli aggression, not a peep from the Israeli apologists, not much of a response form the British government, only stand alone MPs disobeying party lines and speaking up. Point is, nothing happened, no pressure or any heat did the Israelis feel. However, when Student Unions began circulating the idea of an academic boycott of Israeli universities and firms, that hurt, and a few universities actually passed the BDS movement into official university policy, THAT is serious damage and actual pressure, and in fact, the days before the votes, I know and saw with my own eyes how troubled Israeli apologists felt, and how they urged their supporters to do something against this.

We should learn something from this, there is no point in standing by and shouting, if you want pressure and your voice to be heard, do something to allow yourself that advantage, you need not compromise principle to do it.

Also, it is funny you mention Turkey, it is they who have caused Israel more grief and stress than the rest combined in using their diplomatic gain, yet again, for why that hasn't done anything significant, see above.

If you are making case for Pakistan recognizing Israel, that doesn't bother me. All Arab states already do, I'm just telling you that won't make a difference because local nations are not interested in using any kind of gain to promote peace. If you understood Arab politics you'd understand it.
 
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@Jungibaaz
I appreciate your response and the sense that it makes, but you are looking at it from the British perspective. The UK enjoys ties with Israel and have had a part in its formation. I don't believe Pakistan will be able to do anything for Palestine with or without relations with Israel. It has no reason to listen to what we might have to say.

Sad to say this, but we tend to exaggerate our own importance in the world. We are a regional power with regional limits to our foreign policy.
 
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At the moment they need support themselves, its a really stupid question you have asked.
حقیقتا فلسطین کو اس وقت مدد کی ضرورت ہے۔ لیکن کم از کم اخلاقی طور پر تو اسے مسلہ کشمیر پر پاکستان کی طرف داری کرنی چاہیئے۔
لیکن فلسطین مسلہ کشمیر پر ''غیرجانبداری'' دکھارہا ہے۔ غیرجانبداری کا مطلب بھارت کی حمایت ہے۔
 
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Palestine isn't a state yet. They don't have any clout. They're not even a full member of the UN. They barely have a government. How on Earth do you expect them to help Pakistan on the Kashmir Issue?

Sorry for being blunt, but this particular argument is completely and utterly stupid.
جب فلسطین پاکستان اور بھارت کے درمیان غیرجانبداری دکھارہا ہے
تو یہ کیوں نہیں ہوسکتا ہے کہ فلسطین کھل کر مسلہ کشمیر پرپاکستان کی سائیڈ لے۔
 
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Yes, i do agree 100% with you mate... as Taliban was also recognized ...there is no harm is recognizing IS too... :whistle:
Exactly, if you recognize Israel then Taliban, ISIS and Naxals also deserve the right to be recognized.
 
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The non nonrecognition of Israel by Pakistan has proved to be boon for Indians.
 
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Not recognizing them does not mean that they don't exist.We should realize that israel has been there for more than 60 years and it is there to stay

And all that we have done for Palestine is not recognizing israel
 
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Not recognizing them does not mean that they don't exist.We should realize that israel has been there for more than 60 years and it is there to stay

And all that we have done for Palestine is not recognizing israel

Truly said.. both Pakistan and Israel were created at nearly same time both on religious ideology and both survived hard times.. It is better if both countries recognize each other existence and move forward to work for betterment of humanity..
 
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