Why Muslims and British did not ban caste system?

[Vapnope]

Our president is dalit, many Chief Ministers are Dalit, BJP-RSS has huge membership from dalit community.

Even PM Modi is not upper caste and has proudly called himself an OBC.

Read SC/ST ACT

1.The SC/ST Act lists 22 offences relating to various patterns or behaviors inflicting criminal offences and breaking the self-respect and esteem of the scheduled castes and tribes community. This includes denial of economic, democratic and social rights, discrimination, exploitation and abuse of the legal process.

2. According to the SC/ST Act, the protection is provided from social disabilities such as denial of access to certain places and to use customary passage, personal atrocities like forceful drinking or eating of inedible food sexual exploitation, injury etc, atrocities affecting properties, malicious prosecution, political disabilities and economic exploitation.

3. For speedy trial, Section 14 of the SC/ST Act provides for a Court of Session to be a Special Court to try offences under this Act in each district.

4. The prime objective of the SC/ST Act is to deliver justice to marginalized through proactive efforts, giving them a life of dignity, self-esteem and a life without fear, violence or suppression from the dominant castes.

and this is your blasphemy law:-

" Use of derogatory remarks, etc. in respect of the Holy Prophet. Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to a fine. "

And this is it's result.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...for-committing-blasphemy-101632815004881.html

President is a celebrity post and has no power in India and Pakistan. The token posts you are sharing has no meaning when it comes to real power. The fact remains that 16% dalits have never made it to the most important posts in India and if you add 14% muslims then 30% of total populations have never been allowed to reach the positions of power. This is exactly how a structured inequality exists in Indian society.

A sort of recognized and accepted social hierarchical structure suited all the medieval rulers. Why would thay have disturbed it?

Despite the fact that muslims of South Asia adhered to this cultural evil it remains a fact that Islam does abolish the caste system and bars Muslims from practicing it. The examples are of Namaz where no segregation is allowed and same goes for every ritual where believers are asked to practice together.

 

[Mentee]

Both left the caste system completely untouched, and it remains as it was before Islamic invasions began.

The invaders were able to ban so many things like Sati, temple prostitution, breast tax, etc. then why not caste system?

Did the Muslim/British rulers think there would be revolt if the ones at the top of the hierarchy lost all their privileges?

It's a pity that more than a billion Indians lost their only chance to break free of their lowly caste status.

Maira i believe it suited the Muslim/British royalty to exploit some of the the local religious/cultural superstitions in their favour ---------

 

[MH.Yang]

Libya was certainly more Communist than the China of the "Communist Party" of China. Though I think Libya's ideological maintainers like Gaddafi did not use the word Communist for their country because of the perceived association with atheism but Gaddafi did write an essay that was titled something like "Has Communism arrived yet ?".



A section from my 2016 thread whose OP is a long article by Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and chronicles Socialist / Communist activism among Muslims from the early 1900s :

Apart from Gaddafi, no country's leader has ever made all the UN P5 want to kill him. When the war came, he couldn't find a veto. They were all affirmative votes. Is there anything to boast about such a fool?
You say CCP communism is not as good as Gaddafi communism. But CCP has increased Chinese income 40 times in 40 years, and Gaddafi has plunged an oil country into extreme poverty. CCP completely eliminated the poor people(Annual income less than $400), and Gaddafi made millions of Libyans refugees.

 

[Mentee]

Despite the fact that muslims of South Asia adhered to this cultural evil it remains a fact that Islam does abolish the caste system and bars Muslims from practicing it.

Prophet Essa pbuh commanded the same thing that don't follow the genealogy but be obedient to The Lord ------.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Prophet Essa pbuh commanded the same thing that don't follow the genealogy but be obedient to The Lord ------.

Reference?
Abrahamic Covenant is based on genealogy, how could Prophet Isa talk against it. Sharif genealogy has always been of religious significance. We read Darood Sharif for that reason. Quran Sharif verses affirm genealogy and so do Hadith narrations. The Bible has a long list of genealogy.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

... That is not to say to worship the genealogy. Isa [as] would be strongly opposed to that, ofcourse. The message of all Prophets was to worship the unseen God.

 

[SIPRA]

Prophet Essa pbuh commanded the same thing that don't follow the genealogy but be obedient to The Lord ------.

The message of all the Prophets was the same. All human beings are equal, in the eyes of their Maker.

 

[magra]

Do muslims have castes in India?
From my experience they mostly have Arabic last names which despite whatever hindutavas (saying they're low-caste people- first experienced it when hindutavas were insulting Muhajirs with this) may say is kinda good tbh
Over generations you can forget your previous castes and start fresh

Except for Syed, I didnt see someone else acting like a big shot

In Pakistan we didn't have this practice, you always had your clan name regardless of religion like there's a Bajwa, janjua everywhere

This trend is slowly coming to halt, last names are changing but still this clan affiliation is strong (I say clan cause I don't think it's a caste issue, it's more of a tribal issue)

I like the solution Sikhs have come up with. All males have surname Singh and all females Kaur. From their names, you cannot identify their caste / clan identity.

 

[Mentee]

Abrahamic Covenant is based on genealogy, how could Prophet Isa talk against it

What did The Lord said to Abraham A.s ?

ONLY TO YOUR OBEDIENT SEED!!!

And obviously The Ahly Bayt A.s occupies the Top place when the word Aal is taken into consideration but it also includes The followers of The Prophet Saww.

Quran Sharif verses affirm genealogy

Read it again and also the encounter of Imam Ali reza a.s with some of his shias on genealogy and how he schooled them for associating some sort of devinity with him etc.

 

[SIPRA]

I like the solution Sikhs have come up with. All males have surname Singh and all females Kaur. From their names, you cannot identify their caste / clan identity.

Not correct. Many of them annex their sub-castes. The solution didn't work, it seems.

 

[Mentee]

I like the solution Sikhs have come up with. All males have surname Singh and all females Kaur. From their names, you cannot identify their caste / clan identity.

When the gather for match making the caste issue kicks in at the onset

 

[Varunastra]

The original ruling caste is descendant from Sumer.

Can you provide a source of research to backup your claim? Or is it from youtube or personal belief?

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

What did The Lord said to Abraham A.s ?

ONLY TO YOUR OBEDIENT SEED!!!

And obviously The Ahly Bayt A.s occupies the Top place when the word Aal is taken into consideration but it also includes The followers of The Prophet Saww.


Read it again and also the encounter of Imam Ali reza a.s with some of his shias on genealogy etc.

Prophethood goes to the obedient seed, so the covenant is by genealogy. They have been chosen not for automatic paradise but for the test. I would not want it.

Prophet Isa a.s. could not have talked against following the genealogy because Prophet Muhammad [saw] was yet to come.

Isa a.s. had no male descendants neither did Muhammad s.a.w. It is a guess that the genealogy of Ali r.a. is probably most significant now as he was the closest male relative or may be from his uncle Hamza r.a. In any case, our obligation is to stay on track of faith.

 

[magra]

When the gather for match making the caste issue kicks in at the onset

I did not say it is perfect in Sikhism, but at least the day-to-day discrimination gets minimized as you cannot identify the caste from just the name.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Can you provide a source of research to backup your claim? Or is it from youtube or personal belief?

Personal belief backed by evidence. For example, Swastika was not original symbol of the Kshatriya Sharif Deva. The symbol belonged to the Brahman Aryans. In Ramayan they use Swastika for a completely different meaning, as an eulogy rather than the Aryan meaning of good luck.