Why I am resisting the Vaccines: A Personal Take!

[WinterFangs]

I booked my first dose today, had to because of work, otherwise I would’ve not taken it.

 

[jamal18]

My guess is natural immunity is best. I am concerned about the long term possible effects of booster vaccines every six months. I don't see talk on it.

Yes. When you are signing up for a 'vaccine', you are actually signing up for a course of injections, perhaps every six months, for possibly the rest of your life.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

This has been reported by major news outlets Oct/Nov 2021.

WebMD: COVID Vax 5 Times More Protective Than Natural Immunity

An Israeli study from August stating natural immunity is far better was not peer reviewed and apparently inaccurate.

 

[Meengla]

This has been reported by major news outlets Oct/Nov 2021.
WebMD: COVID Vax 5 Times More Protective Than Natural Immunity
An Israeli study from August stating natural immunity is far better was not peer reviewed and apparently inaccurate.

It's the American CDC which came to downplay the Natural Immunity. And it's the American policies which steers even health policies of many, if not most nations of the world. Fears of bad-press, travel bans and all sorts of potential consequences beholds a chunk of the world to what the CDC says. Perhaps a lot of the supine fellowship is subconscious. If and when the CDC comes up with some very different policy then you will see many nations will adopt those policies. Only if the world could ever know how political and profit driven the CDC has become.
About the Natural Immunity: I have yet to see a single study which would indicate the Naturally-Immuned people getting serious reinfections compared with the vaccinated ones. Anyone could cite me such studies?? Yes, antibodies do drop but they also drop in the vaccinated ones as well. It is the 'Memory Cells' which continue to provide the immunity in large numbers to both vaccinated and Naturally-Immuned people. But I fear, if some virologists are correct, massive immunizations and repeated multiple kinds of vaccines and boosters could lead to a situation where the virus would learn to evade most of the immunity--whether through the vaccines or through the infection.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

About the Natural Immunity: I have yet to see a single study which would indicate the Naturally-Immuned people getting serious reinfections compared with the vaccinated ones. Anyone could cite me such studies?? Yes, antibodies do drop but they also drop in the vaccinated ones as well. It is the 'Memory Cells' which continue to provide the immunity in large numbers to both vaccinated and Naturally-Immuned people. But I fear, if some virologists are correct, massive immunizations and repeated multiple kinds of vaccines and boosters could lead to a situation where the virus would learn to evade most of the immunity--whether through the vaccines or through the infection.

Have not read anything which says natural immunity is ineffective; according to nature.com natural immunity and vaccines likely have similar long term memory protection profiles. But, for the blood test to be meaningful we may need to correlate a minimum antibodies number with the probability of not getting seriously sick.

From Nature.com 26 May, 2021:

Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-191. The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, “the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect”, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

 

[Meengla]

Have not read anything which says natural immunity is ineffective; according to nature.com natural immunity and vaccines likely have similar long term memory protection profiles. But, for the blood test to be meaningful we may need to correlate a minimum antibodies number with the probability of not getting seriously sick.
From Nature.com 26 May, 2021:
Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-191. The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, “the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect”, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

I don't know what you are trying to say there? Sounds conflicting? Pardon if I misunderstood.
I don't think at this point anyone can say with very high degree of confidence which of the two kinds of immunity will be longer lasting. However, data from SARS Cov-1 suggest that the immunity to that would last years if not 'lifetime'. The immunity offered by the vaccines is already failing and hence boosters and newer kinds of vaccines are being prescribed. But I have yet to see a single study where people with Natural Immunity are facing severe health consequences from reinfections compared with the vaccinated ones. If you know of such study then please do share?

 

[jamal18]

'The admitted use of behavioral science techniques to panic and control the public by the UK government is a legitimate scandal. If behavioral economists and psychologists do not speak now to protest this gross ethical violation, the public will hold these professions responsible. '

Jay Bhattacharya. Professor of medicine Stanford university.

I guess this isn't science. eh?

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

I don't know what you are trying to say there? Sounds conflicting? Pardon if I misunderstood.
I don't think at this point anyone can say with very high degree of confidence which of the two kinds of immunity will be longer lasting. However, data from SARS Cov-1 suggest that the immunity to that would last years if not 'lifetime'. The immunity offered by the vaccines is already failing and hence boosters and newer kinds of vaccines are being prescribed. But I have yet to see a single study where people with Natural Immunity are facing severe health consequences from reinfections compared with the vaccinated ones. If you know of such study then please do share?

The paragraph in your blood sample test report says, it is yet undetermined what level of anti body correlates to immunity against symptomatic disease. So, the anti body number on your report says you have some degree of natural immunity, but you don't know the level of protection you may have against developing symptoms.

We cannot ignore CDC as their data and advice come from the American and international medical community. This recent article makes it clear --Johnshopkinsmedicine.org, Nov 23, 2021

COVID Natural Immunity: What You Need to Know

1. "People who have had the measles are not likely to get it again, but this is not the case for every disease. A mild case of an illness may not result in strong natural immunity. New studies show that natural immunity to the coronavirus weakens (wanes) over time, and does so faster than immunity provided by COVID-19 vaccination."

2. "The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on Oct. 29, 2021, that says getting vaccinated for the coronavirus when you’ve already had COVID-19 significantly enhances your immune protection and further reduces your risk of reinfection."

3. "People infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus and who haven’t been vaccinated might be more vulnerable to new mutations of the coronavirus such as those found in the delta variant."

4. "Johns Hopkins has conducted a large study on natural immunity that shows antibody levels against COVID-19 coronavirus stay higher for a longer time in people who were infected by the virus and then were fully vaccinated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines compared with those who only got immunized."

My issue with vaccines now is not that it doesn't protect, but with its possible long term potential damage to body, heart, lung, or DNA.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

... Your anti body number would be more meaningful if you can compare your number with the number of antibodies of someone who has been vaccinated. Just looking at that number I don't know if that is a high enough anti body count.

 

[Mentee]

Idiots think science is a done deal, it never is.

@ziaulislam who has been setting this extremely rigid course for medical science since the past two centruies that any dissenting opinion by medical professionals are censored except the official narative ?


Why do we have to follow a certain path without looking around ?

This has been reported by major news outlets Oct/Nov 2021.

WebMD: COVID Vax 5 Times More Protective Than Natural Immunity

An Israeli study from August stating natural immunity is far better was not peer reviewed and apparently inaccurate.

Wmd's ---------

 

[sammuel]

i am with you why you want to inject some foreign substance in your pure blood stream.

Maybe because you do not want to die or infect others who might die ?

We remember here well how it was before the vaccine. We where at lock down , at a certain point the hospitals got full and there is no other choice but to declare a lock down.

Not to mention all those who would die without the vaccine - We remember well the numbers that where dying before the vaccine.

And your solution ? to just let all those people die ?

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[-=virus=-]

The vaccinated are morons, keep taking your booster shots till you die from them.

 

[sammuel]

The vaccinated are morons, keep taking your booster shots till you die from them.

470,115 died in India so far from from corona ,

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[Mentee]

Maybe because you do not want to die or infect others who might die ?

We remember here well how it was before the vaccine. We where at lock down , at a certain point the hospitals got full and there is no other choice but to declare a lock down.

Not to mention all those who would die without the vaccine - We remember well the numbers that where dying before the vaccine.

And your solution ? to just let all those people die ?

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Take a look at the dietary habits of your urban population , factory processed milk , butter , cheese with lil to no intake of meat. People in pakistan consider it some sort of insult if a host offers packeted dairy chemicals to them

 

[sammuel]

Take a look at the dietary habits of your urban population , factory processed milk , butter , cheese with lil to no intake of meat. People in pakistan consider it some sort of insult if a host offers packeted dairy chemicals to them

Some US citizens :

" Yes , this is what i eat for breakfast but i am awfully worried about the chemicals in the vaccine ":

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