Why I am resisting the Vaccines: A Personal Take!

[Azadkashmir]

everybody say trust science how can i trust science if big gangsters like rockfeller family, the sackler family own nearly all pharmacy and the medical industry and also control the fda like fox over hen house and the amount of ppl they have poisoned murdered around the world. Their are plenty of great scientist against these vaccines why their voices not heard oh because they dont own billions and buy out media.
whoever pays the pipe piper calls the tune.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Firstly to pick at the use of the word some rather than majority just goes to show how hollow your argument is. I provide a brief summary and you nitpick grammar.

Secondly let's take you at face value and assume the word majority is correct. Where is the data to support this? Which clinical trials have been done, what statistical evidence has been provided to support that theory?

Who told you the vaccine was a cure that would last forever? People are already taking booster jabs. People have been taking flu vaccines in developed countries for decades. Does this mean the flu has gone away? No it provides additional protection against it for the most vulnerable.

i dont have enough stamina to do maghz maari with you .. ..you are literally clutching straws.pick up any country..the so called cases they have majority are asymptotic..its literally a search away...Had it been otherwise..the health systems would have burnt down by now in the world..thats their justifications for masks..most kids with covid are asymptotic and very low numbers of them fall ill let alone die yet they are also being thrown into this fire of jab..Now we know a tiny fraction of the younger ones may expire because of vaccine reactions.. which begs the question who is responsible fo rtheir deaths? why is this being pushed for children

people are taking booster jabs? going by your fearmongerings booster jabs should be made mandatory for every one of the 8 billion every 6 months..dont try to cut slack here by limiting it to the old , immunocompromised or privledged ones only..if its really that important for you to get vaccinated dont leave gaps like it suits you..
Biggest of all stop grandifying every variant to justiify a new booster shot ..instead tell people the truth that they should get vaccinated every 6 months..dont give them a false hope that may be this is the last variant to come..

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

No. The reports I read say that natural immunity is 'robust and long lasting.'

There is a campaign to belittle this, the CDC are even saying that natural immunity doesn't apply in this case .

As Professor Sunetrea Gupta said, 'they are re-writing science.'

Natural immunity is good enough to make the survival rate over 99% in Australia. Just over 200,000+ reported cases, actual number of infections would be much higher, may be twice as much, with 2,000+ fatalities, mostly elderly. However, there is no doubt that vaccines lessen the severity of symptoms for most and saves lives though I worry about the long term impact of the vaccine on the body.

 

[Meengla]

... Your fears about mutations are correct, however, natural immunity gives less protection against mutations than vaccines do according to the Johnshopkins article;

"People infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus and who haven’t been vaccinated might be more vulnerable to new mutations of the coronavirus such as those found in the delta variant."

Buddy as far as I AM concerned, I am better immunized than anyone else out there. You can keep quoting the John Hopkins and what not but in MY case, been carrying the antibodies for about 10 months, I am better protected. And I dare say when the muzzling of the media and the scientific community will lessen you will find I was correct. Time will tell. One of my former 'friend' had predicted my demise this Fall season-- hasn't happened while that sickly guy is free to live in his apartment and mask even outdoors and continue to take the vaccines and boosters as much as it pleases him and he is free to be yet another Vaxxer doing the Virtue-Signaling.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Buddy as far as I AM concerned, I am better immunized than anyone else out there. You can keep quoting the John Hopkins and what not but in MY case, been carrying the antibodies for about 10 months, I am better protected. And I dare say when the muzzling of the media and the scientific community will lessen you will find I was correct. Time will tell. One of my former 'friend' had predicted my demise this Fall season-- hasn't happened while that sickly guy is free to live in his apartment and mask even outdoors and continue to take the vaccines and boosters as much as it pleases him and he is free to be yet another Vaxxer doing the Virtue-Signaling.

You have your right to your opinion but I cannot say Johnshopkins is wrong.

 

[Meengla]

You have your right to your opinion but I cannot say Johnshopkins is wrong.

Talk to me in, say, 6 months?? I will be around unless massive vaccinations and boosters would create variants which would bypass most/all available immunity. In that case, who knows who else will be around here?? I will resist taking the jab for as long as possible. It's not because I am against them--I hope they work as intended because my wife--who works in a medical office here in America and thus getting constantly exposed to people--is also vaccinated and so I'd like to put faith in the vaccines. I don't put such faith. Vaccines are buying time and certainly helpful but in my very educated opinion we will only come out of the pandemic by relying mostly on the Natural Immunity with support to the more vulnerable ones through vaccinations.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's the American CDC which came to downplay the Natural Immunity. And it's the American policies which steers even health policies of many, if not most nations of the world. Fears of bad-press, travel bans and all sorts of potential consequences beholds a chunk of the world to what the CDC says. Perhaps a lot of the supine fellowship is subconscious. If and when the CDC comes up with some very different policy then you will see many nations will adopt those policies. Only if the world could ever know how political and profit driven the CDC has become.
About the Natural Immunity: I have yet to see a single study which would indicate the Naturally-Immuned people getting serious reinfections compared with the vaccinated ones. Anyone could cite me such studies?? Yes, antibodies do drop but they also drop in the vaccinated ones as well. It is the 'Memory Cells' which continue to provide the immunity in large numbers to both vaccinated and Naturally-Immuned people. But I fear, if some virologists are correct, massive immunizations and repeated multiple kinds of vaccines and boosters could lead to a situation where the virus would learn to evade most of the immunity--whether through the vaccines or through the infection.

The problem with natural immunity. First it's not as effective as vaccines because of the exact same reason that inactivated virus vaccines are not as effective as mRNA vaccines or adenovirus vaccines.
The other reason is you can't guarantee that the person give you a mild disease . So by going natural immunity route you face the danger of contracting severe disease each 6 to 9 month . Honestly I can't advertise that to my patients

My issue with vaccines now is not that it doesn't protect, but with its possible long term potential damage to body, heart, lung, or DNA.

Those damage are far more prevalent in natural immunity route and neither of the route have DNA damage danger

 

[Meengla]

The problem with natural immunity. First it's not as effective as vaccines because of the exact same reason that inactivated virus vaccines are not as effective as mRNA vaccines or adenovirus vaccines. The other reason is you can't guarantee that the person give you a mild disease . So by going natural immunity route you face the danger of contracting severe disease each 6 to 9 month . Honestly I can't advertise that to my patients.
Those damage are far more prevalent in natural immunity route and neither of the route have DNA damage danger

I don't think you are understanding what I have been saying: I am not saying go and inhale some Covid-Hookah to get Covid! I am saying that billions of people are probably already exposed and are carrying the Natural Immunity and outside of some rich, cold countries with ageing populations, I don't see mass crises? I believe Natural Immunity is stronger at this point than the vaccine immunity; you and I can differ on that but eventually a point may come where massive (and unnecessary) vaccinations and boosters will cause variants to arise which would bypass majority of immune responses and that will be catastrophic for the world! So target only the vulnerable ones with vaccinations and boosters but let Natural Immunity be the main path to develop the elusive Herd Immunity.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I don't think you are understanding what I have been saying: I am not saying go and inhale some Covid-Hookah to get Covid! I am saying that billions of people are probably already exposed and are carrying the Natural Immunity and outside of some rich, cold countries with ageing populations, I don't see mass crises? I believe Natural Immunity is stronger at this point than the vaccine immunity; you and I can differ on that but eventually a point may come where massive (and unnecessary) vaccinations and boosters will cause variants to arise which would bypass majority of immune responses and that will be catastrophic for the world! So target only the vulnerable ones with vaccinations and boosters but let Natural Immunity be the main path to develop the elusive Herd Immunity.

the problem not getting vaccinated is what cause variation and mutation not vaccination.
and you don't understand human nature , if you advertise natural immunity people go and get that covid imbued hookah and face those dangers.

 

[Titanium100]

I am also resisting because I don't trust anyone seriously

 

[Khan vilatey]

For background scientific basis, I am posting a video by Dr. Suneel Dhand in this thread and I fully agree with his video and feel sorry for the guy for the discriminations he's been facing. I am also posting my own blood test results which are in line with the case presented by Dr. Dhand. I am refusing to vaccinate because I don't need something which is certainly helpful in the short term but which might have long term consequences for my health and which is certainly not needed by me at this point. There is no vaccine out there developed against the Alpha variants in 2020 which would be better than Natural Immunity. Period. It would be an insult to call people like me as 'antivaxxers' because we refuse to take something which has been hurried through the deployments and which might, even if there is a 1% chance, cause grave harm to my body. Natural Immunity combined with vaccines and preventing measures for the risk-groups in the world is the only way I see we can get out of this damn mess!!

Dr. Dhand's video:

A blood sample from June 2021: Note the level of antibodies:
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Four different blood donations confirming antibodies:

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Get vaccinated it’s completely safe and will help save others from being sick eventually killing off the disease like it did for polio.

k

 

[undercover JIX]

Very first question to people who say, This Vaccine saves lives.

What is the Survival / Recover rate / Chances if someone gets Covid 19?

once you get that number, than look for Global Covid Stats and calculate the % of reported total positive and Deaths. if deaths are less then the WHO official recovery rate or no. very first step to start thinking logically and using common sense.

more sensible discussion can start after we figure out, " What percentage Lives are saved by this vaccine so far"

Thanks.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Very first question to people who say, This Vaccine saves lives.

What is the Survival / Recover rate / Chances if someone gets Covid 19?

once you get that number, than look for Global Covid Stats and calculate the % of reported total positive and Deaths. if deaths are less then the WHO official recovery rate or no. very first step to start thinking logically and using common sense.

more sensible discussion can start after we figure out, " What percentage Lives are saved by this vaccine so far"

Thanks.

0.00000001 % of the people who had died .
The question is , why it's not enough for you.

 

[Meengla]

the problem not getting vaccinated is what cause variation and mutation not vaccination.

You do have a point that unvaccinated (and with no Natural Immunity) people become vectors for mutations. And that's what's happening and likely to happen more because I don't see enough people in this world of 8 billion people getting vaccinated. In Austria and Germany, where vaccines have been available and where civic-sense is generally high, about one third of adults are refusing to vaccinate. In America too, about similar number of people are refusing. Add to this problem, I think there is strong chance that massive vaccinations and boosters as being carried out or planned will lead to variants which would escape most established immune responses, whether via vaccines or Natural Immunity.

I keep saying this: The world should open up to reduce the economic and psychological impact from the last two years. The world should focus on protecting the vulnerable ones via vaccines. The world should find effective treatment to reduce hospitalizations--and there is supposed to be some very good progress on treatments lately. Combining these measures is the only way I see out of the pandemic..

 

[undercover JIX]

0.00000001 % of the people who had died .
The question is , why it's not enough for you.

without Vaccination 0.03 % would have died.

But with Vaccination death rate increased to 1.98%

So question is, " is this Vaccine saving any lives"? or contributing to more deaths?

Based on these official stats, Vaccination is not helping.

Real question is, why you are advocating for something which is not helping the situation in any way at all, according to official claims.

PS: In my comments i clearly mentioned " sensible and logical discussion" but you failed in both.