Why have Pakistan and India Evolved so Differently?

[Spring Onion]

If you want to actually understand Indian Judiciary from Pakistani perspective then ask Kasab who is still alive with the virtue of same. We dont need your (religiously bonded, hate filled) expert comments on the same.

Pride i had once had a great trust in your judiciary which had been shattered.


Your court might be good at lingering the political cases BUT where Indian judicial system had failed is the area of RELIGION which being a court of a "secular" Govt system should have been neutral and not on the basis of Hindu beliefs imposed by powerful hardline fanatics from a hindu alliance.


Your court failed to stop this hindu alliance from defying court order when the alliance broken the locks and started putting deities in the Mosque .

That was the beginning of the accepting the verdict in favour of Hindus.

 

[paritosh]

and you think big powers attacking for expansion and normal trade through your ports are same things??

which big power attacked Pakistan for expansion?

You are an enemy to China as well hence we have common interests between China and Pakistan.

As long as you have Americans operating inside your territory...china would never be given room to operate from your territory...you choose to let China operate from inside your territory is your call to make...the point is you need China more than they need you...the day the Chinese settle their problems with us...you'd be left once more looking for an enemy of your enemy.

2. If it was not Pakistan today they would not have seen world powers coming to knees.

Afghanistan is frankly a jungle...there is nothing to hold or defend there...there are no strategic goals there...the Ruskies went to defend socialism in Afghanistan and discovered that the entire political machinery had been stripped bare...and met no battle objectives...
the Yanks went there looking for Mullah omar and OBL...found none...no airports...no tank groups..or armor corps would have withstood the yank or ruskie attacks...but there were none to be found in Afghanistan....alll the cities under taliban fell without much hassle...
it was not at all because of Pakistan...the stingers were American...the strategists were Americans...Pakistan was just the middleman...

3. Pakistan and Afghanistan are indeed have joint interests conforming with regional peace and prosperity ; oust anyone from this equation and the peace, prosperity in the region is unlikely to come soon

like the times when you had taliban operating Afghanistan as your satellite state?
the human rights condition was the worst then...but it does not affect you that much...

4. Iran is also a direct player in this entire issue hence make it a trio i.e Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan. So now Afghanistan is the center that can not tilt towards any of the two completely therefore we both iran and Pakistan hold some weight.

agreed.

US is not involved in a big proxy through India yet hence you dont see such involvement yet otherwise in the past CIA had been active through your neighbouring countries including Sri Lanka and BD viz a viz Indian Ocean episode

Us is involved with China...are there any proxies in China?

 

[paritosh]

They wanted the land as it was their worship place a physical structure where Muslim offer their prayers not because Allah was born their unlike Hindus who claimed its their god's birthplace.

So the bottom line is Muslims want their worship place not for Allah but for their prayers.

Muslims have been told to chose any piece of land but that...the muslims in India understand the importance of that...while you'd probably not be satisfied till you see some rioting in the name of Babri...

Saving time at the cost of death of justice is a sorry affair.

If for the last almost 20 years the two parties could not solve the matter out of court then there was NO chance that weaker party that is the Muslims in this case could have got justice from Hindu fanatics outside the court.

it's been 60 years...have you been able to settle Kashmir in the international court of justice???

That is why they went to the court for justice as like many they also had misconception that may be Indian justice system would be fair.

that is in passive speech right? after you had your telepathic conversation wit them?

But the so-called Indian justice system asked the weaker Muslims to go and settle it with Saffron brigade militants who are involved in killing of thousands of Muslims in Gujjrat and demolition of the same babri mosque

no one said that.They would lost the case as the case has no strength...the ASI's findings have indicated that there has been a temple...that puts the case in the favor of the hindu petitioners...the objections are free to be entertained in a higher court...that's how it works...

Its otherway round. Muslims can live with Hindus in India BUT Hindus in India can not live with Muslims.

if that is how you feel...then it is a good thing that you are a citizen of the Islamic republic of Pakistan.Nothing more.

 

[SpArK]

while you'd probably not be satisfied till you see some rioting in the name of Babri...

That is key word ive been pointing all the time.. especially in regard to the member.

 

[smali183]

@ All respected,

You Indian better known your country Environment, atmosphere, life living position style and Can better imagine

And we PAKISTANI can better, it is my personal experience that I am a middle class Pakistani and I am living in not advance facilitate city just normal city (MARDAN) of KPK province.
And ( Masha ALLAH) I am living a normal happy life and I have 3 children one boy (10 Year old) he is class 5th and 2 girls one ( 8year old) in class 4th and other ( 6year old) is in class one and all are position holder in every annual examination result.
And also boy is hifizing QURAN and one girl is reading QURAN with translation and other reading QURAN Tajweed , and every basic facilities are available good food,good water ,good health, and for refreshment more facilities available.
And what I am looking surrounding the majority (80 &#37 middle family living more very happily life than mine as I mention above a

I mean that we know better the PAKISTAN capability and survival and one thing you Indian accept that in the last 10 Years PAKISTAN like under WAR country and more danger situation on both side borders.
And ( Masha ALLAH) PAKISTAN survive and handle the situation better in this 10 Years.
And everywhere we were read and listing that PAKISTAN will be break and Atomic asset’s are capturing in all over the world in last 10 Years.
BUT PAKISTAN ARMY and PAKISTAN STATE POLOCIES handle the situation best than as we expect.
AND ( Insha ALLAH) next coming 10 Year we are looking bright future ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.

 

[Spring Onion]

which big power attacked Pakistan for expansion?

I though you do understand the world politics . first and second Afghan war both are no less than indirect attacks or in case we did not involve it would have been direct invasion on Pakistan

As long as you have Americans operating inside your territory...china would never be given room to operate from your territory...you choose to let China operate from inside your territory is your call to make...the point is you need China more than they need you...the day the Chinese settle their problems with us...you'd be left once more looking for an enemy of your enemy.

Room for China in Pakistan for operating against whom????????

2. Leave that to Chinese how much they need Pakistan Indians are in no position to comment on that unless China settles issues with India which is unlikely to the favour of India hence i am sure India is also not going to settle these so soon

Afghanistan is frankly a jungle...there is nothing to hold or defend there...there are no strategic goals there...the Ruskies went to defend socialism in Afghanistan and discovered that the entire political machinery had been stripped bare...and met no battle objectives...
the Yanks went there looking for Mullah omar and OBL...found none...no airports...no tank groups..or armor corps would have withstood the yank or ruskie attacks...but there were none to be found in Afghanistan....alll the cities under taliban fell without much hassle...

Ruskies going into Afghanistan on the call of one group invading the majority and jeopardizing the good links and relations between the two countries was foolishness which result in disintegration of USSR.
It has destabilised the entire region

it was not at all because of Pakistan...the stingers were American...the strategists were Americans...Pakistan was just the middleman...

ahhh so good a bharti at last is seeing US hand too in this Afghan issue/

So why US is now being defeated in this modern second part of an Old Afghan war with anti-US fighters having same old weapons while US with almost half of the army from half of the powerful world aka NATO with modern missiles, drones, chinooks and so on???


Because for winning a war against invaders its not only Stingers you need but will to fight for justice

like the times when you had taliban operating Afghanistan as your satellite state?
the human rights condition was the worst then...but it does not affect you that much...

First of all you from India with massacre of Muslims, Sikhs and Christians and atrocities against own Dalits and human rights violations in Occupied Kashmir you should not be an ideal person to speak about human rights.


But still nobody supports any violation under Taliban in Afghanistan or any other region.


The only hypocrisy is on your part who is unwilling to point out the human rights violation by those pro-India warlords who are now sitting in Afghan govt.

The situation is not changed.

Us is involved with China...are there any proxies in China?

US has yet to start any practical proxy against China

 

[Spring Onion]

@ All respected,

You Indian better known your country Environment, atmosphere, life living position style and Can better imagine

And we PAKISTANI can better, it is my personal experience that I am a middle class Pakistani and I am living in not advance facilitate city just normal city (MARDAN) of KPK province.
And ( Masha ALLAH) I am living a normal happy life and I have 3 children one boy (10 Year old) he is class 5th and 2 girls one ( 8year old) in class 4th and other ( 6year old) is in class one and all are position holder in every annual examination result.
And also boy is hifizing QURAN and one girl is reading QURAN with translation and other reading QURAN Tajweed , and every basic facilities are available good food,good water ,good health, and for refreshment more facilities available.
And what I am looking surrounding the majority (80 %) middle family living more very happily life than mine as I mention above a

I mean that we know better the PAKISTAN capability and survival and one thing you Indian accept that in the last 10 Years PAKISTAN like under WAR country and more danger situation on both side borders.
And ( Masha ALLAH) PAKISTAN survive and handle the situation better in this 10 Years.
And everywhere we were read and listing that PAKISTAN will be break and Atomic asset’s are capturing in all over the world in last 10 Years.
BUT PAKISTAN ARMY and PAKISTAN STATE POLOCIES handle the situation best than as we expect.
AND ( Insha ALLAH) next coming 10 Year we are looking bright future ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.

Brother dont bother i wonder at times why Indians dont continue with whatever they have development or whatever instead of coming again and again comparing with Pakistan and bringing Pakistan into everything.


It shows they are yet to come out of Pakistan phobia.

 

[paritosh]

Pride i had once had a great trust in your judiciary which had been shattered.


Your court might be good at lingering the political cases BUT where Indian judicial system had failed is the area of RELIGION which being a court of a "secular" Govt system should have been neutral and not on the basis of Hindu beliefs imposed by powerful hardline fanatics from a hindu alliance.


Your court failed to stop this hindu alliance from defying court order when the alliance broken the locks and started putting deities in the Mosque .

That was the beginning of the accepting the verdict in favour of Hindus.

Jana...the ruling was based on solely the findings of the ASI...the archeological surveyor of India...which had sent teams to physically examine the ruins of Babri...and the land on which it was built...the team had muslims also...and it had been established that babri was built on the ruins of a Hindu temple.

 

[amigo]

@ All respected,

You Indian better known your country Environment, atmosphere, life living position style and Can better imagine

And we PAKISTANI can better, it is my personal experience that I am a middle class Pakistani and I am living in not advance facilitate city just normal city (MARDAN) of KPK province.
And ( Masha ALLAH) I am living a normal happy life and I have 3 children one boy (10 Year old) he is class 5th and 2 girls one ( 8year old) in class 4th and other ( 6year old) is in class one and all are position holder in every annual examination result.
And also boy is hifizing QURAN and one girl is reading QURAN with translation and other reading QURAN Tajweed , and every basic facilities are available good food,good water ,good health, and for refreshment more facilities available.
And what I am looking surrounding the majority (80 %) middle family living more very happily life than mine as I mention above a

I mean that we know better the PAKISTAN capability and survival and one thing you Indian accept that in the last 10 Years PAKISTAN like under WAR country and more danger situation on both side borders.
And ( Masha ALLAH) PAKISTAN survive and handle the situation better in this 10 Years.
And everywhere we were read and listing that PAKISTAN will be break and Atomic asset’s are capturing in all over the world in last 10 Years.
BUT PAKISTAN ARMY and PAKISTAN STATE POLOCIES handle the situation best than as we expect.
AND ( Insha ALLAH) next coming 10 Year we are looking bright future ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.

for last 10 yrs pakistan is facing danger on both sides of border
u should b thankful to god that eastren border is quite

 

[Pride]

Pride i had once had a great trust in your judiciary which had been shattered.


Your court might be good at lingering the political cases BUT where Indian judicial system had failed is the area of RELIGION which being a court of a "secular" Govt system should have been neutral and not on the basis of Hindu beliefs imposed by powerful hardline fanatics from a hindu alliance.


Your court failed to stop this hindu alliance from defying court order when the alliance broken the locks and started putting deities in the Mosque .

That was the beginning of the accepting the verdict in favour of Hindus.

You dont understand meaning of "Secular". Do you? I accept court did not gave logical decision and in "Religion" case it was not possible either. What judges did is maintain Indian society and its decision as "secular" as it can be. Religion being such a sensitive issue can't be handled by simple logic. We have seen the same in Israel-Palestine case.

For Locks and Breaks, They have accepted in their decision was done by some miscreants while allocating land to Hindus was depend on the fact that Mosque was already built on some "temple like" structure which was way older than Babri Mosque. Now if you dont agree with ASI or fact then can't do that.

 

[paritosh]

I though you do understand the world politics . first and second Afghan war both are no less than indirect attacks or in case we did not involve it would have been direct invasion on Pakistan

meaning you saw Afghanistan as a buffer state?
an early warning in case someone decides to go against you?
Tibet was a buffer state to us...by the same measure...

Room for China in Pakistan for operating against whom????????

I thought you understood the world politics too...

2. Leave that to Chinese how much they need Pakistan Indians are in no position to comment on that unless China settles issues with India which is unlikely to the favour of India hence i am sure India is also not going to settle these so soon

I am not issuing a foreign office statement here...it's my observation...you can refute it...but with reason...or we won't touch this if you don't like.
We are investing time and money to see our tiffs with China through...while I can't say the same for Kashmir...we need settlement..and the land being contested for isn't that much...even if you divide AP equally...

Ruskies going into Afghanistan on the call of one group invading the majority and jeopardizing the good links and relations between the two countries was foolishness which result in disintegration of USSR.
It has destabilised the entire region

and your efforts in bringing the to their knees are?
"destabilised the entire region"
shows that it has caused more harm to you than to any other big power.

ahhh so good a bharti at last is seeing US hand too in this Afghan issue/

I have a lot of respect for you...avoid calling me a bharati...it's either an Indian or a Bharatiya...you know that.
I have a fair bit of idea how it worked out...the last CIA ordeal with Afghanistan.

So why US is now being defeated in this modern second part of an Old Afghan war with anti-US fighters having same old weapons while US with almost half of the army from half of the powerful world aka NATO with modern missiles, drones, chinooks and so on???

Is there any other country in the world able to hold two different countries at it's mercy at the same time?
I don't understand why you don't get that the US's strategic goal was to build the nation as it wanted...that is free it from the elements that'd cause America any trouble in the future...they wanted to educate and arm the Afghans...the Afghans are incompetent to work as a field army....they have never had any success in fighting conventional battles...which require some degree of discipline and training...whoever can fire a kalashnikov is fit to join their ranks.
the Americans have also been attacking territories that have been under your control....they surely must have a lot of power to be able to do that..

Because for winning a war against invaders its not only Stingers you need but will to fight for justice

we all have different definitions for justice.and stingers helped.

First of all you from India with massacre of Muslims, Sikhs and Christians and atrocities against own Dalits and human rights violations in Occupied Kashmir you should not be an ideal person to speak about human rights.

but you can...you can right?no body's stopping you.

The only hypocrisy is on your part who is unwilling to point out the human rights violation by those pro-India warlords who are now sitting in Afghan govt.

they are less evil than the Taliban...once there is complete roder everybody should be tried.

US has yet to start any practical proxy against China

I doubt that would happen.

 

[smali183]

for last 10 yrs pakistan is facing danger on both sides of border
u should b thankful to god that eastren border is quite

We Defiantly Thanks To ALLAH (SWT)
That he gave capability to PAKISTANI PEOPLE AND ARMY for quieting of shouting mouths.

 

[lionheart1]

Pride i had once had a great trust in your judiciary which had been shattered.


Your court might be good at lingering the political cases BUT where Indian judicial system had failed is the area of RELIGION which being a court of a "secular" Govt system should have been neutral and not on the basis of Hindu beliefs imposed by powerful hardline fanatics from a hindu alliance.


Your court failed to stop this hindu alliance from defying court order when the alliance broken the locks and started putting deities in the Mosque .

That was the beginning of the accepting the verdict in favour of Hindus.

we dont need your appreciation for our judicial system . when indian muslim does not have any problem with verdict . why do you people having problem with the verdict.
when you are talking about i mosque which has been destroyed . before how many mosque did your barbaric group have destroyed in pakistan this year itself . then how many people your court has prosecuted for the crime . it not all about income (some of the posture where mentioning) if muslim cant live peacefully in your country how ralical is your society.
what right do you have when almost every day one mosque is destroyed every day in your country