Why did a soldier’s son join the Taliban?

[SHAMK9]

Abdullah Umar, a student of the International Islamic University (IIU) Islamabad,

That's your answer.

 

[somebozo]

easy now, I am the graduate of IIUI when its campus used to be in the blue area. we had an even mix of people from all Pakistan & Kashmir, we did have devout Muslims and some were just ordinary.

yes there were some very intolerant and violent sort of students in the main campus and hostels but that was given when the IIUI is mainly funded by UAE and Saudis, what do you expect? having said that we had ones who did all the things that are not very Islamic.

back to the topic
its amazing that the police was able to find the culprit. by the way where does it leave the b@stradized judiciary, its hell bent on punishing Musharaf over Benazir's murder.


talking about short memories
recall how the media and some politicians were jumping up and down saying why army is not raiding Red mosque , that has killed a rangers soldier, is abducting people , ransacking public offices and destroying shops etc.

and once it was done, the media played the main role of fanning the hatred and chaos

Private media runs for profit not for truth and loyalty. Mushraff wrote his own suicide note when he deregulated the media without appropriate watch dog.

This is what happens when a soldier gets deluded from the establishment.. thats' why we have rebels.. its a fine line between a rebel and a terrorist and people never know when they have jumped the line.

Much of it goes to uncontrolled and free propagation of foreign doctrine often to the point of total brain washing and child abuse.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

The bigger question is why did the soldier(the colonel) sell out his country and people? There is nothing worse than a soldier who turns against the very country and people he had sworn to protect!

This is what happens when you allow fascist ideologies like the Salafi doctrine to infect the narrative - the military rank and file were clearly not immune.

 

[OrionHunter]

Indian posters on PDF do not realize that so many silent Pakistani readers look at you as the "ambassadors" of India. The more childish the Indian behavior, the worst it is for the impression of Indians.

Hope you get the point.

I guess the same applies to Pakistani posters too?

 

[FaujHistorian]

I guess the same applies to Pakistani posters too? :

Absolutely.

This is why it is important to just point out that fact to pakistani posters,

instead doing the "so far obligatory $hit shoveling" by Indian posters.

I hope this type of approach will stop the threads from being derailed. And perhaps perhaps encourage positive contributions by all.

May be I am a dreamer.

 

[somebozo]

The bigger question is why did the soldier(the colonel) sell out his country and people? There is nothing worse than a soldier who turns against the very country and people he had sworn to protect!

This is what happens when you allow fascist ideologies like the Salafi doctrine to infect the narrative - the military rank and file were clearly not immune.

The military was and is complicit in this fascist crime..from Zia to Kayani!
It has lost its legitimacy as a secular institute.

 

[FaujHistorian]

The bigger question is why did the soldier(the colonel) sell out his country and people? There is nothing worse than a soldier who turns against the very country and people he had sworn to protect!

This is what happens when you allow fascist ideologies like the Salafi doctrine to infect the narrative - the military rank and file were clearly not immune.

This is a million dollar question.

And the answer doesn't really sit with army.

Rather this is a bigger question related to our nation.



Like What do we really expect from our officers and Jawans to think.

How do we as a nation, reward or punish a specific behavior of our officers and Jawans.



Here is a very high level view of two standard lines as to how our nation is setting up "desired behavior" from our army

by blasting out of our media, mosques, schools and universities and on the street.


1. Communist standard line: Do not ever do or say anything that will HELP American aims in the region
2. Islamist standard line: Do not ever do or say anything that will HURT Islamists aims in the region


It is tragic that there is no "Patriotic standard" line being discussed in the media, in the universities, in the mosques, and on the street.



It is a miracle that top level army generals have been able to keep the army focused on the national goals, regardless if they help or hurt Americans or Islamists.


let me elaborate a bit. Under the Islamist standard line, our media has made the terrorists aka Ghanzi brothers as heros

But our SSG officer who sacrificed his life for the nation, is considered a lost cause death. How many times our media, our mosques, and our schools, and our universities has conducted a day of praise for the martyr SSG officers.

The answer is big fat NO.



So my dear poster,

Ask not what army can do for you.

Ask what you can do to keep the army patriotic to Pakistan

Ask what you can do to support Pak army even when it takes actions that indirectly help Aemricans

Ask what you can do to support Pak army even when it takes actions that indirectly hurt Islamists

 

[FaujHistorian]

The military was and is complicit in this fascist crime..from Zia to Kayani!
It has lost its legitimacy as a secular institute.

So called secular forces are no less of criminals.

They have been infested by commies and socialists.

so the choice has always been to pick the commie devil vs. islamist idol.


And the man on the street in Pakistan will decide in a heart beat, which one to pick.

blaming army for our national trends is myopic at best.

 

[Aamna14]

No. According to her he was a terrorist. Because he is non muslim. But osama...oooooh a mard-e-momin, who can satisfy 4 wives at his older age is a freedom fighter. got it ?

If you think people who have the slightest bit of influence from religion are so retarded as to consider Osama a mard-e-momin then its you biased approach which to prove you would have a rare minority of people to quote who are truly retarded enough to think so. Not to mention your freedom fighter was a terrorist by Bristish standards even if he didn't have four wives so you can very well see that the terms can be easily twisted to suit one's purpose.

 

[ranjeet]

I have been a lurker for a while and it's kinda hard for me to grab what exactly is it that's keeping the very fabric of Pakistan glued together. It's a genuine question and not a flame bait or anything. People here are divided on ethnicity, race, sects, language, political parties. what exactly is it because in my limited knowledge i don't thing it's religion.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I have been a lurker for a while and it's kinda hard for me to grab what exactly is it that's keeping the very fabric of Pakistan glued together. It's a genuine question and not a flame bait or anything. People here are divided on ethnicity, race, sects, language, political parties. what exactly is it because in my limited knowledge i don't thing it's religion.

Simple answer!

99.99% army jawans and officers are fighting for Pakistan.

--- That keeps the country together.


0.001% else bad eggs get all the publicity on PDF and news media.


peace

 

[ranjeet]

Simple answer!

99.99% army jawans and officers are fighting for Pakistan.

--- That keeps the country together.


0.001% else bad eggs get all the publicity on PDF and news media.


peace

Well thats obvious, I do wonder at times things really can't be that bad as they are being painted in the media. I do hope Pakistan can sort out this mess and start working for the Pakistan that was envisioned at its inception.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

This is a million dollar question.


Here is a very high level view of two standard lines as to how our nation is setting up "desired behavior" from our army

by blasting out of our media, mosques, schools and universities and on the street.


1. Communist standard line: Do not ever do or say anything that will HELP American aims in the region
2. Islamist standard line: Do not ever do or say anything that will HURT Islamists aims in the region


It is tragic that there is no "Patriotic standard" line being discussed in the media, in the universities, in the mosques, and on the street.


Ask what you can do to keep the army patriotic to Pakistan

Ask what you can do to support Pak army even when it takes actions that indirectly help Aemricans

Ask what you can do to support Pak army even when it takes actions that indirectly hurt Islamists

I completely agree with you in terms of there being a need for a patriotic narrative that is not held hostage by pseudo religious concerns or imperial agendas.

However, I disagree with your putting the onus on the citizen to keep the PA patriotic. The soldiers have sworn to protect this country and its people. so the onus is on them to do their duty and stay patriotic.

While civil society can do a much better job of appreciating our soldiers fighting on the battlefield, the military can do a better job as well.

Example: There was a lot of hue and cry from the military in the media after the Salala incident. Would'nt it be nice if the top military brass publicly reacted in the same way to every soldier lost in battle with the TTP and its Al Qaeda affiliates??


The bigger problem is that the military itself fanned the pro-Islamist narrative starting from Zia for short-sighted so-called strategic goals and ended up spawning the jihxdi narrative that has come back to haunt us.

To make matters worse, the anti American narrative was not created in a vaccum but deliberately fueled by the military establishment once it got hit by sanctions in the 1990s.

Unfortunately, as a result of this brainwashing we have raised a nation of duffers where the average joe's understanding boils down to this:

Jihad Good. America Bad.

The reality is that we have a lot more interests in common with the US, despite our differences. While the military is smart enough to understand this, the average joe raised on a steady diet of 'America is bad' is still playing catch up.

The military should accept its complicity in creating the jihxdi Frankenstein and should recognize it was wrong to do so, and show enough spine to the kill the monster it created.

At the end of the day, the Salafi-inspired thugs like LeJ and TTP are deliberately killing our nurses, polio workers, college girls, policemen, politicians and soldiers. Definitely the bad guys.

 

[Awesome]

That's a very liberal definition of a 'soldier's son'. He stopped being a soldier when he took up arms against the state. A kuttay ka bacha joined TTP, as many before him did.

 

[Aamna14]

I have been a lurker for a while and it's kinda hard for me to grab what exactly is it that's keeping the very fabric of Pakistan glued together. It's a genuine question and not a flame bait or anything. People here are divided on ethnicity, race, sects, language, political parties. what exactly is it because in my limited knowledge i don't thing it's religion.

Well i know there are various ways of looking at it but i personally don't think that people are divided on the basis of ethnicity, race. sects etc however its mostly painted that way that they are i would speak from experience because i haven't ever seen any clash in two of the opposing sects that we generally keep hearing about i have personally never seen any animosity at all especially because i have lived among them so these are all political maneuvers to incite people into divisions so that our gutless leaders can continue treating them as slaves and live a life of luxury on their taxes.