Why Arabs lost all its wars to Israel despite outnumbering Israel in weapons and manpower?

[Natan]

If all Arab armies could put Arab behind them, and come up as ONE fighting force with ONE strategy
and worked as a team, Israel stood no chance.
Arab armies were superior in numbers and ground level strength.
Lacked in experience, multinational preparation and technology.

Just like Col. Samuel Colt reduced the power difference between strong men and the week men, so do nuclear warheads reduce the power difference between massive armies and small armies.

Pushing a state with nuclear weapons to a corner with superior numbers leaves it no choice but to use nuclear weapons and remove the threat.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If all Arab armies could put Arab behind them, and come up as ONE fighting force with ONE strategy
and worked as a team, Israel stood no chance.
Arab armies were superior in numbers and ground level strength.
Lacked in experience, multinational preparation and technology.

I remember reading a comment here from a Pakistani trying to train Arab soldiers how to fight.
It was basically useless, because the officers were not interested in anything more than their career,
and if the soldiers were incompetent, their own importance increased.
An American trainer handed out instruction manuals to the tanks crews,
but the officers collected them so that the soldiers would not be able to cope on their own.

System Fail!

 

[Ceylal]

What is your point? Are you going to reply to what I am saying or just say I am delusional?

What I tried to tell you is that you are exaggerating the Arab losses and minimizing the IDF's ones. The truth is that between the Canal of Suez and Israel proper there was nothing that will have stopped the Egyptian army if Sadat had the political courage to stay on the course. It wasn't the USA help that handed Israel her victory but it was Sadat, for refusing to let his army to continue the war, after his brother was shot down. The US via Kissinger took advantage of Israel panic and Sadat war attitude to muzzle both and have the final decision on the end of the conflict. At the finality Israel benefited the most, having Egypt forced to sign a moneyed peace treaty and her armed forces turned to a parading army , facing an IDF super armed and more threatening.
After 50 years, we expected some history facts will emerge from this thread, but bravado and children nationalism took over... Story of the middle east..

 

[Amun]

What I tried to tell you is that you are exaggerating the Arab losses and minimizing the IDF's ones. The truth is that between the Canal of Suez and Israel proper there was nothing that will have stopped the Egyptian army if Sadat had the political courage to stay on the course. It wasn't the USA help that handed Israel her victory but it was Sadat, for refusing to let his army to continue the war, after his brother was shot down. The US via Kissinger took advantage of Israel panic and Sadat war attitude to muzzle both and have the final decision on the end of the conflict. At the finality Israel benefited the most, having Egypt forced to sign a moneyed peace treaty and her armed forces turned to a parading army , facing an IDF super armed and more threatening.
After 50 years, we expected some history facts will emerge from this thread, but bravado and children nationalism took over... Story of the middle east..

Bullshit again....Sadat brother killed during the first day of the war during the Air strick....stop this ignorance....
The losses during the entire war started when Sadat decided to move the tanks forward out side the Air DEFENCE Umbrilla to decrease the pressure on the Syrian Front.....stop spreading this ignorance.

 

[The SC]

Egyptians decimated Israel in tank battles and naval battles. But air battles Israel proved superior and I guess that got Israel out of harm.

Their airforce was decimated by SAM's in first days of the war.. they had new fighterplanes coming in from the US bases in Europe and later from the US, almost on a daily base..

Gentlemen, we can surely agree that Israel fought like a cornered tiger. It was literally life and death for them and they fought with such furiousity, that the Arab world will think twice when planning any misadventures.

Tiger!!! more like a cornered mouse, otherwise they wouldn't have threatened to use (American) nuclear bombs and called on the US for intervention and help..
Any small country can claim to fight like a tiger if it has the US fighting on its side! lol

I remember reading a comment here from a Pakistani trying to train Arab soldiers how to fight.
It was basically useless, because the officers were not interested in anything more than their career,
and if the soldiers were incompetent, their own importance increased.
An American trainer handed out instruction manuals to the tanks crews,
but the officers collected them so that the soldiers would not be able to cope on their own.

System Fail!

Remember some of your Viking ancestors who went to rampage some costal small towns in Andalusia, and a small Muslim Arab army was sent to face them.. not one of your "legenday" hercules survived the encounter.....your elderly, the women and the kids were sent back home and the Muslims never ever heard of the Vikings again..
Big Fail!!!

 

[Hamza913]

You have no idea about war, don't you? War is not fair!
There is no "fair amount of casualties" or such BS.

total Egyptian losses were between 235 and 242 fighter jets, while Syria lost between 135 and 179. Rest were transport and other types of aircrafts.

There were 15,000 EGYPTIANS killed, and 8000 Egyptians captured, the whole third army destroyed and captured.

Their army wasn't crippled at all. They had thousands of T62s that were far more superior than any of our tanks, MiG 21s that were the most advanced eastern jet fighter at the time and full support from the USSR in all the time of the war.

Israel didn't have enough time to push to Damascus, as the war wasn't even for 1 month, the Israelis put most of their forces against the Egyptians.
In the start of the war 27 Israeli tanks were against about 500 Syrian T62s and other armored vehicles, guess what? The Israelis destroyed them all!
Israel DID destroy/capture the third army, that's why we captured 8000 Egyptian soldiers and many tanks, that are being presented in Israel.
Israel was 20 miles from Damascus, and was about to conquer it until the Americans told us to stop.
And Israel was about 100 kilometers away from Cairo, and when it started its invasion (Which it conquered even more 600 square miles) the Americans told us to stop.

Of course we could have, we would just nuke your forces and cities, and that would be the easiest war in Israel's history.
And since the Arabs were not crippled, ISRAEL WON.

The Arabs had no technological advantage whatsoever, they had the MiG-21? You had the Mirage V and the F-4 Phantom. They had the T-62? Your Centurion was also better.

In the start of the war it was not 27 tanks vs 500, it was 100 Israeli tanks vs 500 Syrian tanks/other vehicles. And by the end of it, both sides were crippled and Israel barely won.

As for the 3rd army, nothing happened to them and nothing could have happened to them, they were too big. Please do your research.

As for casualties, even the US doubts your claim.

Israel was 100km from Cairo? Yes, but you still didn't manage to push into Cairo. The Egyptians halted your attack, and once you realized you weren't going to break into Cairo or Damascus, you stopped and accepted the ceasefire.

 

[Sinnerman108]

AHAHAHA
We saw that in 1967, when Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Morocco, Lebanon, Kuwait, Pakistan, the PLO, Sudan and Tunisia went to war with us, yet you still lost!
You always was superior in numbers yet always lost to us!
You are prone to failures, we are not.

I'd like to understand this Us Vs You analysis of yours, and how did you come to conclusion that WE are prone to failures while you are not ?

I remember reading a comment here from a Pakistani trying to train Arab soldiers how to fight.
It was basically useless, because the officers were not interested in anything more than their career,
and if the soldiers were incompetent, their own importance increased.
An American trainer handed out instruction manuals to the tanks crews,
but the officers collected them so that the soldiers would not be able to cope on their own.

System Fail!

Actually I am aware of somethings very contrary to what you are saying there.
1st hand experience.

 

[Beny Karachun]

The Arabs had no technological advantage whatsoever, they had the MiG-21? You had the Mirage V and the F-4 Phantom. They had the T-62? Your Centurion was also better.

In the start of the war it was not 27 tanks vs 500, it was 100 Israeli tanks vs 500 Syrian tanks/other vehicles. And by the end of it, both sides were crippled and Israel barely won.

As for the 3rd army, nothing happened to them and nothing could have happened to them, they were too big. Please do your research.

As for casualties, even the US doubts your claim.

Israel was 100km from Cairo? Yes, but you still didn't manage to push into Cairo. The Egyptians halted your attack, and once you realized you weren't going to break into Cairo or Damascus, you stopped and accepted the ceasefire.

Sorry? a Mirage V that is designed to be a jet bomber and F-4 Phantom which is more of a CAS aircraft is better than a purely fighter jet aka the MiG 21, with better guns, turn rate, acceleration and rate of climb than both the Mirage and Phantom?
LMAO, the Centurion was better than the T62? the T62s had night vision, their armor was stronger.
The Centurion was in service in 1946, the T62 was in service in 1961.
the T62 was 15 years more modern, and you want to say our Centurions were better?

And no, it wasn't 100 Israeli tanks (Unless you say its not fair like you do all the time)
the Syrians attacked two Israeli brigades and eleven artillery batteries with five divisions (the 7th, 9th and 5th, with the 1st and 3rd in reserve) and 188 batteries. They began their attack with an airstrike by about 100 aircraft and a 50-minute artillery barrage. The forward brigades of three divisions then penetrated the cease-fire lines and bypassed United Nations observer posts, followed by the main assault force, which was covered by mobile anti-aircraft batteries,
in the end of the Battle the Israelis had 180 tanks, against 28,000 Syrian troops, 800 tanks and 600 artillery pieces.

Really? now you deny it? Alright, i'll send you something you might hate, you are going to regret lying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Egypt.27s_trapped_Third_Army

THIS IS WHY WE HAD OVER 8000 CAPTURED EGYPTIANS

Now the US doubts it? Where did you get this from?
Allahuacbar.us?

No, the Egyptians didn't halt our attack, we didn't have time to push, mainly because the US and the USSR demanded from Israel to stop.
We didn't accept the ceasefire, we were forced to, by the US and USSR.

I'd like to understand this Us Vs You analysis of yours, and how did you come to conclusion that WE are prone to failures while you are not ?

Because we won every war you had with us when you were much larger?

What I tried to tell you is that you are exaggerating the Arab losses and minimizing the IDF's ones. The truth is that between the Canal of Suez and Israel proper there was nothing that will have stopped the Egyptian army if Sadat had the political courage to stay on the course. It wasn't the USA help that handed Israel her victory but it was Sadat, for refusing to let his army to continue the war, after his brother was shot down. The US via Kissinger took advantage of Israel panic and Sadat war attitude to muzzle both and have the final decision on the end of the conflict. At the finality Israel benefited the most, having Egypt forced to sign a moneyed peace treaty and her armed forces turned to a parading army , facing an IDF super armed and more threatening.
After 50 years, we expected some history facts will emerge from this thread, but bravado and children nationalism took over... Story of the middle east..

That's wrong, this is all from Wikipedia, it wasn't me exaggerating it, or me minimizing it.
Wait a second, I smell bullshit
Israel already stopped and destroyed the Egyptian third army, if it wasn't the USA help we would have launched a Jericho up Sadat's ***. He didn't refuse to let his army to continue, he was the one saying to his third army to conquer the whole Sinai, which he failed doing so.

 

[Hamza913]

Sorry? a Mirage V that is designed to be a jet bomber and F-4 Phantom which is more of a CAS aircraft is better than a purely fighter jet aka the MiG 21, with better guns, turn rate, acceleration and rate of climb than both the Mirage and Phantom?
LMAO, the Centurion was better than the T62? the T62s had night vision, their armor was stronger.
The Centurion was in service in 1946, the T62 was in service in 1961.
the T62 was 15 years more modern, and you want to say our Centurions were better?

And no, it wasn't 100 Israeli tanks (Unless you say its not fair like you do all the time)
the Syrians attacked two Israeli brigades and eleven artillery batteries with five divisions (the 7th, 9th and 5th, with the 1st and 3rd in reserve) and 188 batteries. They began their attack with an airstrike by about 100 aircraft and a 50-minute artillery barrage. The forward brigades of three divisions then penetrated the cease-fire lines and bypassed United Nations observer posts, followed by the main assault force, which was covered by mobile anti-aircraft batteries,
in the end of the Battle the Israelis had 180 tanks, against 28,000 Syrian troops, 800 tanks and 600 artillery pieces.

Really? now you deny it? Alright, i'll send you something you might hate, you are going to regret lying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Egypt.27s_trapped_Third_Army

THIS IS WHY WE HAD OVER 8000 CAPTURED EGYPTIANS

Now the US doubts it? Where did you get this from?
Allahuacbar.us?

No, the Egyptians didn't halt our attack, we didn't have time to push, mainly because the US and the USSR demanded from Israel to stop.
We didn't accept the ceasefire, we were forced to, by the US and USSR.

The source doesn't say you destroyed the 3rd army, which is what you claimed. They could have easily fought you off for a few days, but yes they would eventually run out of supplies and die horribly.

As for Israel having worse equipment, your tanks were upgraded to be better and if something is Western made, it is always better than it's Eastern counterpart and anything that comes after for the next few years. Israel had far superior equipment, don't kid yourself.

It was 100 Israeli tanks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Tears

And yes the US doubts your claim, they claim the Arabs lost 8,000-10,000 men.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Their airforce was decimated by SAM's in first days of the war.. they had new fighterplanes coming in from the US bases in Europe and later from the US, almost on a daily base..

Well yeah. Israel used mirage 2000s however. Vs hunters... mig21 etc.

However not a total air superiority either. Many Israeli fighters got shot down when against Pakistani, east Pakistani (Bangladeshi) pilots. One even had the distinction to become ace in a day. The only one after ww2

 

[Beny Karachun]

The source doesn't say you destroyed the 3rd army, which is what you claimed. They could have easily fought you off for a few days, but yes they would eventually run out of supplies and die horribly.

As for Israel having worse equipment, your tanks were upgraded to be better and if something is Western made, it is always better than it's Eastern counterpart and anything that comes after for the next few years. Israel had far superior equipment, don't kid yourself.

It was 100 Israeli tanks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Tears

And yes the US doubts your claim, they claim the Arabs lost 8,000-10,000 men.

Really? the source doesn't say what I claimed? that's BS
Israel didn't destroy it, mainly because it captured them, and not destroy, Israel captured 8000 of their troops and dozens of tanks, They didn't fight us off, they barley killed 80 of our men, while we captured 8000 and killed many more.
Running out of supplies is called being defeated.

AHAHAHAHA, Our tanks weren't upgraded at all! they were stock tanks, no night vision giving you HUGE advantage in the night, also our tank's armor was weaker, the cannon was also weaker, 105mm rifled against the T62's 115mm smoothbore.
the Centurions were 15 years older than the T62s! and you think we had better tanks?
Their jets were purposed for dogfights while ours were for ground attack and we still fucked them up

And it was after reinforcements, in the start of the battle we only had 27 tanks, and you don't see? Decisive Israeli victory

The source doesn't say you destroyed the 3rd army, which is what you claimed. They could have easily fought you off for a few days, but yes they would eventually run out of supplies and die horribly.

As for Israel having worse equipment, your tanks were upgraded to be better and if something is Western made, it is always better than it's Eastern counterpart and anything that comes after for the next few years. Israel had far superior equipment, don't kid yourself.

It was 100 Israeli tanks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Tears

And yes the US doubts your claim, they claim the Arabs lost 8,000-10,000 men.

And where did you get that the US doubts our claim?

Well yeah. Israel used mirage 2000s however. Vs hunters... mig21 etc.

However not a total air superiority either. Many Israeli fighters got shot down when against Pakistani, east Pakistani (Bangladeshi) pilots. One even had the distinction to become ace in a day. The only one after ww2

Are you kidding me? There were no Mirage 2000 in 1973,
Not even one Israeli fighter jet was destroyed by Pakistanis.

 

[Hamza913]

Not even one Israeli fighter jet was destroyed by Pakistanis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattar_Alvi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiful_Azam

What was that about us not shooting down any Israeli jets?

Really? the source doesn't say what I claimed? that's BS
Israel didn't destroy it, mainly because it captured them, and not destroy, Israel captured 8000 of their troops and dozens of tanks, They didn't fight us off, they barley killed 80 of our men, while we captured 8000 and killed many more.
Running out of supplies is called being defeated.

AHAHAHAHA, Our tanks weren't upgraded at all! they were stock tanks, no night vision giving you HUGE advantage in the night, also our tank's armor was weaker, the cannon was also weaker, 105mm rifled against the T62's 115mm smoothbore.
the Centurions were 15 years older than the T62s! and you think we had better tanks?
Their jets were purposed for dogfights while ours were for ground attack and we still fucked them up

And it was after reinforcements, in the start of the battle we only had 27 tanks, and you don't see? Decisive Israeli victory


And where did you get that the US doubts our claim?
.

Israel didn't capture them, in fact, Israel didn't lay a finger on them because the US said if you did, there would be severe consequences. Also because they would have done some nasty damage. Please go find out about it, you will see my facts.

Your tanks were upgraded, and all of your equipment was better, except for the NV aspect. You guys were pretty clever when it came to combating that Arab advantage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sho't

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Arabs had no technological advantage whatsoever, they had the MiG-21? You had the Mirage V and the F-4 Phantom. They had the T-62? Your Centurion was also better.

In the start of the war it was not 27 tanks vs 500, it was 100 Israeli tanks vs 500 Syrian tanks/other vehicles. And by the end of it, both sides were crippled and Israel barely won.

As for the 3rd army, nothing happened to them and nothing could have happened to them, they were too big. Please do your research.

As for casualties, even the US doubts your claim.

Israel was 100km from Cairo? Yes, but you still didn't manage to push into Cairo. The Egyptians halted your attack, and once you realized you weren't going to break into Cairo or Damascus, you stopped and accepted the ceasefire.

The MiG-21 proved lethal vs the Phantom in Vietnam...
The Syrian tanks had infrared lights which the Israelis lacked. Still lost the night fight in Golan.
The 3rd Army was surrounded, and would die from lack of water in days, without a supply line.
They certainly were not captured.

The Israelis were stopped by Henry Kissinger, since he saw an opportunity to wrestle Egypt,
out of the Soviet sphere.
There were very little reserves between IDF and Cairo.
The US was the real winners.

 

[Hamza913]

The MiG-21 proved lethal vs the Phantom in Vietnam...
The Syrian tanks had infrared lights which the Israelis lacked. Still lost the night fight in Golan.
The 3rd Army was surrounded, and would die from lack of water in days, without a supply line.
They certainly were not captured.

The Israelis were stopped by Henry Kissinger, since he saw an opportunity to wrestle Egypt,
out of the Soviet sphere.
There were very little reserves between IDF and Cairo.
The US was the real winners.

I agree with everything you said except for the Phantom vs MiG-21 thing, but that's another debate.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Really? the source doesn't say what I claimed? that's BS
Israel didn't destroy it, mainly because it captured them, and not destroy, Israel captured 8000 of their troops and dozens of tanks, They didn't fight us off, they barley killed 80 of our men, while we captured 8000 and killed many more.
Running out of supplies is called being defeated.

AHAHAHAHA, Our tanks weren't upgraded at all! they were stock tanks, no night vision giving you HUGE advantage in the night, also our tank's armor was weaker, the cannon was also weaker, 105mm rifled against the T62's 115mm smoothbore.
the Centurions were 15 years older than the T62s! and you think we had better tanks?
Their jets were purposed for dogfights while ours were for ground attack and we still fucked them up

And it was after reinforcements, in the start of the battle we only had 27 tanks, and you don't see? Decisive Israeli victory


And where did you get that the US doubts our claim?


Are you kidding me? There were no Mirage 2000 in 1973,
Not even one Israeli fighter jet was destroyed by Pakistanis.

I watched a Documentary on YouTube of Israeli mirage vs Mig 21 of Egypt long time ago.

Pakistani pilot? Search safiul Azam and Alan in Arab Israeli war. Safiul shot down most no of Israeli jets by any pilots and also earned the distinction of eagles by United States in 2000s. He served in Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan and then Bangladesh Air Force.