Who is the greatest Muslim ruler of the subcontinent and why?

[newb3e]

Was he suppose to defend Afghanistan as well?

no he was suppose to get good deal and now bow down like a coward.

 

[BATMAN]

no he was suppose to get good deal and now bow down like a coward.

You seems to have some strong personal issues with him, better deal is a lame argument.

 

[newb3e]

You seems to have some strong personal issues with him, better deal is a lame argument.

okay respect your opinion! no personal issues with him but yeh he bowed down and signed nro

 

[BATMAN]

okay respect your opinion! no personal issues with him but yeh he bowed down and signed nro

All conjectures... when he signed NRO it's upon advise of civilian allies and media pressure.
When BB & Sharif came back, we saw how they both were welcomed by public, were they bowing to US as well?

 

[newb3e]

All conjectures... when he signed NRO it's upon advise of civilian allies and media pressure.
When BB & Sharif came back, we saw how they both were welcomed by public, were they bowing to US as well?

again respect your opinion!

 

[BATMAN]

again respect your opinion!

Not my opinion, i stated known facts and admissions.

 

[newb3e]

Not my opinion, i stated known facts and admissions.

https://epaper.dawn.com/DetailImage.php?StoryImage=06_07_2016_003_004

fact sir! just to stay in power he legitimized corruption and destroyed our country!

 

[BATMAN]

https://epaper.dawn.com/DetailImage.php?StoryImage=06_07_2016_003_004

fact sir! just to stay in power he legitimized corruption and destroyed our country!

We are going too far off the subject matter.

 

[newb3e]

We are going too far off the subject matter.

not really we are discussing bravery or lack their of Mr Mushraf!

imo he bowed down under us pressure and dint sign a good deal with them and by signing nro (again under influence and pressure of us) he made sure american puppets ruled and destroyed Pakistan.for what just so he could stay in power!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

However we hindus did not destroy any muslim monuments in India after the muslim rule in India.

You are completely glossing over the desecration of Islamic sites by the Sikh empire, Marathas, and other arsonist bandits. What of the massacres in East Punjab of Muslim majority populations (Ferozepur, Gurdaspur, Amritsar,) Hyderabad, and Jammu Kashmir after partition?

Not to mention the wholesale massacres of Muslim majority populations of Central India (Deccan) by the British in Dilli, Lucknow, Agra, etc.

Also the reason why India has got too many muslim heritages in India rather than the 1000 year old hindu heritages is because the muslim rulers of India destroyed almost all of the ancient heritages belonging to the pre-islamic India. Otherwise we would have had monuments and artifacts belonging to the gupta and mauryan era still present in India.

A myth and nothing more.

Muslim rulers regularly were patrons for Hindu shrines and those of other minority faiths.

So see we hindus are very tolerant and peaceful rather than people of a particular community which claims to be peaceful.

Yes, your demeanor speaks nothing but humility, peace, and tolerance. /s

You Fascists need to leave our forum. Can’t you find a Hindu zealot forum for your blood mongering?

 

[TMA]

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What about Ashraf Ghani?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

I dunno. Like I said who writes the history?

I have read the Mughal India and even under Aurangzeb was the richest state on earth. I don't know how it compares to the Gupta period as that was like two thousand years before...

But let me say this, that Muslim rulers of India were not the only brutes...Dharmic rulers did their fair share of invasions and killings.... I mean if a fellow can control Pakistan and Afghanistan from Bihar, thousands of years ago...then a fellow from Afghanistan can go the other way without being called an invader, right???

But suffice to say that since India (Subcontinent) is and has been very diverse, naturally their will be diverse opinions on the "golden age". Perhaps from the Sanatum Dharmic perspective the Gupta period was the golden age but not necessarily from the Indian (Subcontinent) perspective.

Also the Mughals heavily intermarried with the local nobles...by the time Aurangzeb ruled, he was practically 50% "native".

And he never went full throttle...he nor neither of the Muslim rulers and I include the Dehli Sultunate in this, were fully "Sharia compliant"...

And your analogy about the US.
The Mughals "made" India. They did not go there to study. They in fact went there and instead of the US, who massacred the natives, fused with the local traditions. If they really hated "India". well they did not do a good job of spreading their hate, since most of the Subcontinent is non Muslim.
Indeed this accusation of Muslim genocide against the non muslims of India, is just madness. Most of India is non muslim. And most muslims in India (Subcontinent) are native converts.
If you would like to see a genocide, look at the red Indians in North America....
Unless of course one thinks that conversion is also part of genocide....

Here are some articles on Mughal marriages.

Posted at: Jan 6, 2018, 1:14 AM; last updated: Jan 6, 2018, 1:14 AM (IST)
Rajputs, their women, & Muslim rulers
It is pointless to speculate whether Padmini or Padmavati was a real person or not. There would have been a chief queen in Chittor even if we do not know her real name.

Rajesh Kochhar

Honorary Professor, Panjab University, Chandigarh

Acasteist outfit, the Rajasthan-based Sri Rajput Karni Sena's objection to the movie 'Padmavati' is somewhat surprising because the Rajputs acquitted themselves honorably in this period. The Delhi Sultanate was relatively a new thing and the Rajputana rulers were still hopeful of challenging it militarily. They fought valiantly till the end and their women took their own life to protect their honour.

Mughal-Rajput marriages

As time passed, Rajputs became increasingly disadvantaged. Babar defeated the Rajput confederacy led by Rana Sanga of Chittor. His widow Rani Karnavati's appeal to Humayun for help against the Gujarat Sultan failed to elicit any prompt response. The rules of the game changed with Akbar. Rajput rulers became allies of the Mughals, but at a price. They were asked to send their daughters to the imperial harem. The practice lasted 150 long years, from 1562 to 1715.

From Jodha Bai to Indira Kanwar
The first Rajput girl in the Mughal zenana was a daughter of Raja Bharmal of Amber, known variously as Jodha Bai, Hira Kunwai or Harkha Bai, who was married to Emperor Akbar. Given the secular image of Akbar, the marriage has been presented as an inter-religious affair. Movies and television serials have romanticised this particular pair, but the reality, in general, was different. It is noteworthy that Mughal chronicles do not record Hindu names of Rajput wives; they know them only by their Muslim titles. While the Rajput wives in the Mughal harem would probably have met their male blood relatives, it is unlikely that they ever visited their parental home.

The last incidence of a Mughal-Rajput marriage is particularly unsavoury; it belongs to an era when the Mughal power had precipitously declined. In 1715, Maharaja Ajit Singh of Marwar was compelled to marry off his daughter Indira Kanwar to Emperor Farrukhsiyar. The Maharaja showed no fondness for his Mughal son-in-law. He, in fact, was instrumental in Farrukhsiyar's dethronement and assassination. Indira Kanwar was converted back to Hinduism and brought to Jodhpur with all her property. It was the first ever instance of a Rajput princess being "restored to her own people after she had once entered the imperial harem." The daughter was obviously nothing more than a pawn in her father's politicking.


https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/rajputs-their-women--muslim-rulers/524111.html


MUGHAL KINGS AND HINDU WIVES

V.S.Gopalakrishnan

I thought of writing about the Bollywood Khans and their Hindu wives. It struck me that I could begin with a piece on Mughal Kings and their Hindu wives involving old and former times and a much wider canvas! It’s about reigning men in different realms!

One has to be clear that the Mughals were basically barbaric power-mongers whose objects were ruthless killing of human beings, in their pursuit of annexing territories, and looting treasures. In this process, the fighting enemy-men were to be beheaded and killed and young (Hindu) women were to be abducted to fill up the harem. As such the Islamic women were treated in Muslim society as chattels only for creating progenies. The Hindu women taken as prisoners were simple objects of sexual gratification. If anyone became a queen in this process, it was a token. The Hindu woman needed to be converted to Islam first and yet she would be one amongst the other Muslim queens.

It is well known that Akbar (r.1556-1605), the third Mughal emperor was married to Jodha Bai, who was a Hindu. Akbar grew as a kid in a village in Rewa, Madhya Pradesh while his parents, Humayun and Hamida Begum, were in exile in Persia. The kid Akbar’s best friend was kid Ram Singh ( I ) who later became the Maharaja of Rewa. Can this explain his “tolerance” of Hindus when he became a mature ruler? Jodha Bai was the daughter of the Rajput Raja Bharmal (aka Bihar Mal) of Amber. She was also known as Hira Kunwari. She was converted to Islam and named Mariam Zamani due to marriage with Akbar. The unlettered Akbar whose youthful activity was mainly hunting and fighting, was a great war strategist, and his conquests of Rajasthan and Gujarat were at the cost of immense bloodshed. Matrimony with the daughters/sisters of defeated Rajput Kings was also a strategy with him! Only two Rajput Kings- those of Mewar and Ranthambore- refused matrimonial alliance with Akbar.

Akbar’s virility, with three "chief Queens", 800 wives and a harem of 5000, was beyond question. It is said that Akbar married at least three foreigners, one of them a Portuguese and another an Armenian. Not all wives were Queens. He invented a different rule for women of the Court. His own music-loving daughter Meherunnisa (begotten by Queen Daulatabad Begum) fell in love with the court-musician Tansen, and Akbar allowed her to marry him after Tansen underwent conversion from Hinduism to Islam. (There are some accounts to the effect that Tannu Pandey aka Tansen was converted to Islam, when he was very young, by his Guru Pir Mohammad Ghous of Gwalior). Anyway, subsequent to Meherunnisa’s marriage with Tansen which Akbar however did approve, he (Akbar) issued a firman that no Mughal princess or any girl born into Mughal royalty would thenceforth be allowed to marry which meant that they would only die unwed!

We now come to Prince Salim, born to Jodha Bai, and the third and eldest surviving son of Akbar who took over power on the death of Akbar in 1605. Salim, on accession to the throne, was conferred with the title Jahangir (conqueror of the world) and he ruled from 1605 to 1627. In 1585, twenty years before his accession, he married his cousin sister princess Manbhawati Bai of Amber. Manbhawati Bai was the daughter of Raja Bhagwant Das of Amber, who was the brother of Jodha Bai and son of Raja Bharmal. Manbhawati was Salim’s first wife.

But Salim went on to marry any number of beautiful girls from Muslim and Rajput families one after another. Salim’s third wife and a favourite wife too, was another Hindu, the Princess Manmati who was the daughter of Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur. This marriage was arranged by Salim’s first wife Manbhawati Bai. Manmati’s real name was Jagat Gosain. Manmati gave birth to Khurram, the future Emperor who was given the title Shah Jahan.

Salim, later known as Jahangir, had a harem of more than 800 women. His 20th wife was the famous Nur Jahan whom he married in 1611 while he was the Emperor. Nur Jahan was a titled name and she was earlier known as Mehrunnisa (not to be confused with Akbar’s daughter Meherunnisa who married Tansen). This Mehrunnisa was the daughter of a Persian Courtier in Akbar’s court, and she was a widow when she married Jahangir, having married earlier Sher Afghan. Jahangir became a drunkard and an addict to drugs, and the beautiful and clever Nur Jahan became the de facto ruler.

We now come to Prince Khurram (son of Jahangir and Manmati) who became Shah Jahan, the Emperor, in 1628. If Jahangir was half Hindu by blood, Shah Jahan was three-fourths Hindu by blood. Shah Jahan had three Muslim wives and no Hindu wife. His most favourite wife was Mumtaz Mahal whom he married when he was 20 years old, in the year 1612. The other two wives did not matter to him at all and he was wholly devoted to Mumtaz. Mumtaz in turn was wholly devoted to Shah Jahan and had no political interests unlike Nur Jahan, the wife of Jahangir. She passed away while giving birth to her 14thchild.

Aurangzeb who succeeded Shah Jahan in 1658 was the sixth child and third son to the Shah Jahan-Mumtaz jodi. He hated Hindus and there was no question of his having Hindu wives. He had five wives in all.


Why did not any Mughal Royal go for a Christian, Sikh, Parsi or Jain queen? Surely their harems had women from different religions and also foreigners. Only that the Hindu queens came out of Rajput royal alliances.

http://creative.sulekha.com/mughal-kings-and-hindu-wives_554450_blog

 

[xyxmt]

What about Ashraf Ghani?

he is next contender

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Here are some articles on Mughal marriages.

Posted at: Jan 6, 2018, 1:14 AM; last updated: Jan 6, 2018, 1:14 AM (IST)
Rajputs, their women, & Muslim rulers
It is pointless to speculate whether Padmini or Padmavati was a real person or not. There would have been a chief queen in Chittor even if we do not know her real name.

Rajesh Kochhar

Honorary Professor, Panjab University, Chandigarh

Acasteist outfit, the Rajasthan-based Sri Rajput Karni Sena's objection to the movie 'Padmavati' is somewhat surprising because the Rajputs acquitted themselves honorably in this period. The Delhi Sultanate was relatively a new thing and the Rajputana rulers were still hopeful of challenging it militarily. They fought valiantly till the end and their women took their own life to protect their honour.

Mughal-Rajput marriages

As time passed, Rajputs became increasingly disadvantaged. Babar defeated the Rajput confederacy led by Rana Sanga of Chittor. His widow Rani Karnavati's appeal to Humayun for help against the Gujarat Sultan failed to elicit any prompt response. The rules of the game changed with Akbar. Rajput rulers became allies of the Mughals, but at a price. They were asked to send their daughters to the imperial harem. The practice lasted 150 long years, from 1562 to 1715.

From Jodha Bai to Indira Kanwar
The first Rajput girl in the Mughal zenana was a daughter of Raja Bharmal of Amber, known variously as Jodha Bai, Hira Kunwai or Harkha Bai, who was married to Emperor Akbar. Given the secular image of Akbar, the marriage has been presented as an inter-religious affair. Movies and television serials have romanticised this particular pair, but the reality, in general, was different. It is noteworthy that Mughal chronicles do not record Hindu names of Rajput wives; they know them only by their Muslim titles. While the Rajput wives in the Mughal harem would probably have met their male blood relatives, it is unlikely that they ever visited their parental home.

The last incidence of a Mughal-Rajput marriage is particularly unsavoury; it belongs to an era when the Mughal power had precipitously declined. In 1715, Maharaja Ajit Singh of Marwar was compelled to marry off his daughter Indira Kanwar to Emperor Farrukhsiyar. The Maharaja showed no fondness for his Mughal son-in-law. He, in fact, was instrumental in Farrukhsiyar's dethronement and assassination. Indira Kanwar was converted back to Hinduism and brought to Jodhpur with all her property. It was the first ever instance of a Rajput princess being "restored to her own people after she had once entered the imperial harem." The daughter was obviously nothing more than a pawn in her father's politicking.


https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/rajputs-their-women--muslim-rulers/524111.html


MUGHAL KINGS AND HINDU WIVES

V.S.Gopalakrishnan

I thought of writing about the Bollywood Khans and their Hindu wives. It struck me that I could begin with a piece on Mughal Kings and their Hindu wives involving old and former times and a much wider canvas! It’s about reigning men in different realms!

One has to be clear that the Mughals were basically barbaric power-mongers whose objects were ruthless killing of human beings, in their pursuit of annexing territories, and looting treasures. In this process, the fighting enemy-men were to be beheaded and killed and young (Hindu) women were to be abducted to fill up the harem. As such the Islamic women were treated in Muslim society as chattels only for creating progenies. The Hindu women taken as prisoners were simple objects of sexual gratification. If anyone became a queen in this process, it was a token. The Hindu woman needed to be converted to Islam first and yet she would be one amongst the other Muslim queens.

It is well known that Akbar (r.1556-1605), the third Mughal emperor was married to Jodha Bai, who was a Hindu. Akbar grew as a kid in a village in Rewa, Madhya Pradesh while his parents, Humayun and Hamida Begum, were in exile in Persia. The kid Akbar’s best friend was kid Ram Singh ( I ) who later became the Maharaja of Rewa. Can this explain his “tolerance” of Hindus when he became a mature ruler? Jodha Bai was the daughter of the Rajput Raja Bharmal (aka Bihar Mal) of Amber. She was also known as Hira Kunwari. She was converted to Islam and named Mariam Zamani due to marriage with Akbar. The unlettered Akbar whose youthful activity was mainly hunting and fighting, was a great war strategist, and his conquests of Rajasthan and Gujarat were at the cost of immense bloodshed. Matrimony with the daughters/sisters of defeated Rajput Kings was also a strategy with him! Only two Rajput Kings- those of Mewar and Ranthambore- refused matrimonial alliance with Akbar.

Akbar’s virility, with three "chief Queens", 800 wives and a harem of 5000, was beyond question. It is said that Akbar married at least three foreigners, one of them a Portuguese and another an Armenian. Not all wives were Queens. He invented a different rule for women of the Court. His own music-loving daughter Meherunnisa (begotten by Queen Daulatabad Begum) fell in love with the court-musician Tansen, and Akbar allowed her to marry him after Tansen underwent conversion from Hinduism to Islam. (There are some accounts to the effect that Tannu Pandey aka Tansen was converted to Islam, when he was very young, by his Guru Pir Mohammad Ghous of Gwalior). Anyway, subsequent to Meherunnisa’s marriage with Tansen which Akbar however did approve, he (Akbar) issued a firman that no Mughal princess or any girl born into Mughal royalty would thenceforth be allowed to marry which meant that they would only die unwed!

We now come to Prince Salim, born to Jodha Bai, and the third and eldest surviving son of Akbar who took over power on the death of Akbar in 1605. Salim, on accession to the throne, was conferred with the title Jahangir (conqueror of the world) and he ruled from 1605 to 1627. In 1585, twenty years before his accession, he married his cousin sister princess Manbhawati Bai of Amber. Manbhawati Bai was the daughter of Raja Bhagwant Das of Amber, who was the brother of Jodha Bai and son of Raja Bharmal. Manbhawati was Salim’s first wife.

But Salim went on to marry any number of beautiful girls from Muslim and Rajput families one after another. Salim’s third wife and a favourite wife too, was another Hindu, the Princess Manmati who was the daughter of Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur. This marriage was arranged by Salim’s first wife Manbhawati Bai. Manmati’s real name was Jagat Gosain. Manmati gave birth to Khurram, the future Emperor who was given the title Shah Jahan.

Salim, later known as Jahangir, had a harem of more than 800 women. His 20th wife was the famous Nur Jahan whom he married in 1611 while he was the Emperor. Nur Jahan was a titled name and she was earlier known as Mehrunnisa (not to be confused with Akbar’s daughter Meherunnisa who married Tansen). This Mehrunnisa was the daughter of a Persian Courtier in Akbar’s court, and she was a widow when she married Jahangir, having married earlier Sher Afghan. Jahangir became a drunkard and an addict to drugs, and the beautiful and clever Nur Jahan became the de facto ruler.

We now come to Prince Khurram (son of Jahangir and Manmati) who became Shah Jahan, the Emperor, in 1628. If Jahangir was half Hindu by blood, Shah Jahan was three-fourths Hindu by blood. Shah Jahan had three Muslim wives and no Hindu wife. His most favourite wife was Mumtaz Mahal whom he married when he was 20 years old, in the year 1612. The other two wives did not matter to him at all and he was wholly devoted to Mumtaz. Mumtaz in turn was wholly devoted to Shah Jahan and had no political interests unlike Nur Jahan, the wife of Jahangir. She passed away while giving birth to her 14thchild.

Aurangzeb who succeeded Shah Jahan in 1658 was the sixth child and third son to the Shah Jahan-Mumtaz jodi. He hated Hindus and there was no question of his having Hindu wives. He had five wives in all.


Why did not any Mughal Royal go for a Christian, Sikh, Parsi or Jain queen? Surely their harems had women from different religions and also foreigners. Only that the Hindu queens came out of Rajput royal alliances.

http://creative.sulekha.com/mughal-kings-and-hindu-wives_554450_blog

Go to Hell with your BS pseudo-history.

I’m Rajput and I know my heritage. All you Hindutva animals can self-immolate in your anti-Muslim hate.

 

[Zhukov]

Shahanshah Jalal u din Muhammad Akbar.
Loved by his subjects for most part of his rule. and Focused on Governance Military and Administration instead of Wasting National Resources and time in Building Monuments and dancing with maids high on Alcohol all the time doing poetry etc etc etc