Whitherwards Indian politics ?

[Vinod2070]

Jana, what makes you an expert on secularism? Do you practice it? Do you agree with it?

 

[Spring Onion]

Janaji for the same reason that Dogs are not allowed to be slaughtered in USA for their meat...

Does US banned the slaughter of dogs on the basis of Religion ???????????


And secondly you are saying that there is no difference between a dog and a cow. Is it ???

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana, what makes you an expert on secularism? Do you practice it? Do you agree with it?

Indians claims to have secularizm hence the onus is on you not me.


If one claims one should prove it otherwise its merely a baffling notthing more.

 

[nitesh]

Well one question, does "Muslims not able to cut cow and eat= they are oppressed and discriminated, India is not secular blah blah blah"

 

[Spring Onion]

secularism is part of governing .. giving freedom to individual and keeping faith and religion out . umm may be being in Pakistan makes u incapable to understand that .




Miss ignorant .. any one in India is allowed to choose his faith and religion .. including Dalits .. If they have not choosen Islam and preferrd Buddhism then its Islams problem ..

by the way respecting others (hindues ) faith is also the responsibility of Muslim .. umm may be you dnt understand that ..

So much so for your Indian secularizm to give freedom to individual

And BTW i am happy Dalits choos any religion for getting their due rights.

And one more thing those poor Dalits who had choosen Christianity to convert were targeted badly by the Elit class Brahman Hindus.

So much so for the false propaganda of secularizm by India.

 

[Goodperson]

Why Ban on cow slaughtering is a rule in India ??? can you explain ???


Why a Muslim or member of any non-Hindu faith cant slaughter cows in Delhi ??????

Secularism is generally the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion or religious belief. Not only of hindu's but Buddhist, Jains and Sikhs too I believe they also do not slaughter Cows.
Religious harmony is maintained by certain restrictions required by various religions, still beef eating is prevalent in mostly by Muslims and Christians.

However there are no Blasphemy laws in Secularism.

 

[Spring Onion]

Secularism is generally the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion or religious belief. Religious harmony is maintained by certain restrictions required by various religions, still beef eating is prevalent in mostly by Muslims and Christians.

However there are no Blasphemy laws in Secularism.

We are not secular so put aside your last line.


Indians claimed to be secular so answer me if You guys are secular than dosnt it mean that religion should be out. Laws should not be formulated on the basis of law..

Not only of hindu's but Buddhist, Jains and Sikhs too I believe they also do not slaughter Cows.

Budhists belive in not slaughterign any living thing.

And i never heard that Sikhs dont slaughter Cows.


If Hindus dont slaughter cows they have right not to eat or slaughter it but they DO NOT Have any right to stopp and force other people not to eat COw meat or not to slaughter cows.

The laws made on the basis of Hindu religion is negation of Secularism in itself.

 

[Spring Onion]

And BTW when there are evidence in the ancient scripts that Hindus in the past used to eat cow meat too then why this drama by you gusy target Muslims and non-Hindus in Secular India

 

[Goodperson]

We are not secular so put aside your last line.


Indians claimed to be secular so answer me if You guys are secular than dosnt it mean that religion should be out. Laws should not be formulated on the basis of law..





Budhists belive in not slaughterign any living thing.

And i never heard that Sikhs dont slaughter Cows.


If Hindus dont slaughter cows they have right not to eat or slaughter it but they DO NOT Have any right to stopp and force other people not to eat COw meat or not to slaughter cows.

The laws made on the basis of Hindu religion is negation of Secularism in itself.

People from non Secular countries have no right to question secular countries nor do they question non Secular countries.

Cow slaughter is restricted in some areas to stop law and order problems like
Hindus and /or Buddhist, Jains Sikhs majority areas.

 

[Goodperson]

And BTW when there are evidence in the ancient scripts that Hindus in the past used to eat cow meat too then why this drama by you gusy target Muslims and non-Hindus in Secular India

Hindu's in general do not eat cow meat due to religion, similar to Muslims who do not eat pork. Though the reasons are different in both cases.

Now let us come back to Thread topic.

 

[Spring Onion]

People from non Secular countries have no right to question secular countries nor do they question non Secular countries..

When Indians sell the propaganda of Secularism to the world and get leverage on the basis of this propaganda then we have every right to question the Legitimacy of Indian claim.

Cow slaughter is restricted in some areas to stop law and order problems like
Hindus and /or Buddhist, Jains Sikhs majority areas.

In Kerala most of people from Hindu, Sikh, Jain Budhism eat meat. So dont tell me that Cow slaughter is banned beacuse of them.


Controling Law and Order is the responsibilty of Secular Government. By restricting people from other faiths not to practice their beliefs is not the soultion to law and order controling.

 

[Spring Onion]

Hindu's in general do not eat cow meat due to religion, similar to Muslims who do not eat pork. Though the reasons are different in both cases.

Now let us come back to Thread topic.

There text in hinduism in which the eating of Cow meat is mentioned and not prohibited.

As far Muslims do not eat Pork yes we do not eat pork But We dont force NON-Muslims not to eat it.

And BTW there also hindu texts which prohibt eating of Pork.

 

[Goodperson]

When Indians sell the propaganda of Secularism to the world and get leverage on the basis of this propaganda then we have every right to question the Legitimacy of Indian claim.

India practices secularism where it seems propaganda when you compare with your country so you may question chinks in secularism.

In Kerala most of people from Hindu, Sikh, Jain Budhism eat meat. So dont tell me that Cow slaughter is banned beacuse of them.

Delhi and Kerala are different states few Hindu's eat beef toof too but they do not complain.

Controlling Law and Order is the responsibility of Secular Government. By restricting people from other faiths not to practice their beliefs is not the soultion to law and order controlling.

If banning certain practice helps control law and order then so be it.
In doing so govt is no way restricting people from Islam or other religion from practicing.

Btw our government provides special privileges to Muslims like concessional fare for Haj which is not provided to any other religions inspite of long pending demands.

 

[Spring Onion]

India practices secularism where it seems propaganda when you compare with your country so you may question chinks in secularism.

i dont need to compare a false secularism in anway to anything.

If banning certain practice helps control law and order then so be it.
In doing so govt is no way restricting people from Islam or other religion from practicing.

If tommorrow Hindu Fanatic oragnisations push for banning religious practices of other faiths on pretext that it would help control law and order it means you will ban all other religions. right ?

There are laws for controling law and order and if these are implemented with sincerity you dont need to stop people from other religions from practicing their faith.

 

[Energon]

And BTW when there are evidence in the ancient scripts that Hindus in the past used to eat cow meat too then why this drama by you gusy target Muslims and non-Hindus in Secular India

Yet again you've managed to miss the point entirely. Scriptural contents are a non-issue because the legislation does not abide by the religious code of any particular belief system. That btw is called secularism

The ban on cow slaughter, or the US ban on culling dogs for the sake of food reflect the social outlook of the majority of the populace, which gets enacted through legislation pushed forth by the representatives of those people. This is called democracy

Secularism as opposed to religion or most political schools of thought is not a free standing ideology despite the attempts of many an atheist or nihilist to make it so. It is more so a stop-gap measure to keep the popular religious organization out of the state's operations. This however does not mean that the entire nation is forced to adopt atheism (unlike the communist model); the social outlook of the popular majority (including their religious beliefs) are still reflective of the society; but that is on account of democracy and not "lack of secularism." The USA for instance is a secular nation where the protestant church does not govern the nation, nor are biblical laws implemented. However given that the founding society was Christian who to this day maintain a populous majority (and a fair amount of influence), the society very much reflects a Judeo- Christian undercurrent (as it should).

However, when it comes to religious expression, India actually goes one step beyond its western counterparts in adopting a more ameliorative system allowing religious groups to govern themselves according to their religious codes in civil courts (polygamy, inheritance, adoption etc.). This as far as I know is a unique.

BTW, I don't know where you came up with the idea that beef is illegal in India. It is very much available (sourced from bulls); heck steaks are the biggest thing in most fancy eateries all over major cities.

You also seem incapable of grasping the difference between state endorsed ideas and communal extra judicial violations or being able to put anything in perspective. India is a country that is severely divided across communal and theological lines; it would be foolish of the government not to be wary of religious acts to incite violence. Yet despite all of this, India still chugs along somehow and has managed to keep itself together without resorting to much of what you think (or would like to see been done); and all of this has been accomplished while maintaining a functional democracy (except during the IG's state of emergency), and keeping the state and the church separate i.e. held on to the principle of secularism.

So while I find your ill informed rants entertaining, you still lose.
India-1; Jana-0