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Dude, that poster is an Iranian and is here long before you even joined.


Just because you have a 'thing' for Iran for whatever reasons does not mean every Iranian is an angel and can't be wrong.

Then he’s been fooling you blokes for that long?

Dude, have you ever met an Iranian that petty? I haven’t ever. But do you know who’s that petty and we have ton of them on this forum? Indians!

This POS smells like an Indian from a mile away. It’s a classic misinformation tactics.
 
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Then he’s been fooling you blokes for that long?

Dude, have you ever met an Iranian that petty? I haven’t ever. But do you know who’s that petty and we have ton of them on this forum? Indians!

This POS smells like an Indian from a mile away. It’s a classic misinformation tactics.
I lived a decade in Europe in three different countries(France, Germany, Netherlands) with bunch of Iranians.

You think Indians are petty? You have no idea how petty Iranians and Turks are in these non English speaking western countries.
 
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I lived a decade in Europe in three different countries(France, Germany, Netherlands) with bunch of Iranians.

You think Indians are petty? You have no idea how petty Iranians and Turks are in these non English speaking western countries.
But do you think they’re petty enough to act like an Indian on Pakistani social media? I’m not 100% certain if he’s Indian, but the vibes I’m getting is what makes me think he is. It’s really personal with Pakistanis and him. Yeah sure Iranians and Turks are assholes too but they’re indifferences to us. Anyhow.
 
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Wait. I would understand about indians but why would the turks quit?
More importantly, who was messing with my indonesians? :lol:

@Indos , bro, you have any info on this? Was it the chinese?
Yup, its due to Indonesians vs Chinese clash. Some Indonesians urge others to move to Turkish site. Others just follow. For me, I dont buy anti Chinese sentiment that I see being pushed by pro Western analists and Indonesian defense analist ( who secretly or openly work for Western Defense Consultants )

Turks quits due to debate with Iranian members.

Both Indonesians and Turks member think that the moderators are too much pro Chinese and Iranian members ( they blame Shiah Pakistani Moderator)
 
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I did search for that combination and found one forum, although it doesn't seem very active. Did recognise some old IDs from PDF.

Not saying that we Indians are any better, but Indian opinions almost always get trolled in PDF. I suspect this is because of Indians being preachy and getting on the nerves, and then the trolling cycle continues. I believe myself to be a centrist, but that is not a position anyone recognises any longer. Leftists view you as a closet Sanghi and right wing sees you as a confused fence sitter lacking an identity. There isn't any room left for balanced viewpoints.

I understand, and I was seemingly harsh upon some of you when I was fresh off the starting block here in the current snapshot....there was a whole build up to whats gone on here that I have scoped a bit more since and moderated my views with that context.

To me the symptom is clear: Double standards and doubling down upon these double standards by inflictor and participant alike (hence my reference to the "Dhimmi complex" for the generalised Indian "trolling" presence here at this late stage - there is no real drive to learn and contribute actually useful things or improve things but just a quantitative abusive approach to whichever other sort of troll or folks like jamahir and others who seem to be here to make up for lack of friends in real world to vent their personal psyche issues upon). i.e things that are being indulged and grown that really should not be.... with some folks you can even see their earlier phases that were different to one they have now as they simply got addicted to PDF emotional rabbit holes.

Anyway I mostly just read defence fora broadly to get an idea of some topics of interest to me....so I noticed some fissures, voids and so on over time....combined with me being friends in real life with some of the higher level participants, each giving me their take on what happened and the reasons why (that I then piece together like a rashomon analysis).

I have quickly searched and found names like "Bharat Rakshak" "sinodefence" "Indian defence forum" and others being used repeatedly by members (including mods) here with no penalty on them...so I will just state the forum I am mentioning earlier here : "defence hub". Others might also be spawning too I am unaware about, but I generally just follow discourse of notables (people I actually learn from, whether I agree or disagree with them upon something) wherever they end up going.

I prefer quality over quantity, each forum has their way of going about it. I think PDF missed out heavily by not having more mods for individual (country specific) sections when it had enough qualitative window to do so and balance this better.

Now its fully just consequences of that missed opportunity (and the window was not some small narrow one, there was PLENTY of time from what I can see of the history of this forum's phases).

Other fora learn from that mistake, they wont have the scale that PDF still holds, but I can get to the meat of a matter far quicker when theres actual coherent adjudicating and moderating structure extended to all (e.g each large country presence gets their own mod etc)....that essentially nips all the downsides regarding mass unkempt trolling (and counter reactionary grievance costs) in the bud.

Otherwise the results are plain to see.....you can see them for yourself here.

Now what people enjoy to participate in, thats matter of their own taste in the end. Most of this forum is not to mine....it takes too much time now to find anything actually being honestly debated and exchanged in good faith to get somewhere.

So I can see why it has shed what it has shed....simply to retain some notion of raw volume at all cost, no matter what that costs and indulges in things that matter much more in the end IMO.

"Quantity has a quality all of its own" was deliberately made to win out here. Too bad.
 
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I understand, and I was seemingly harsh upon some of you when I was fresh off the starting block here in the current snapshot....there was a whole build up to whats gone on here that I have scoped a bit more since and moderated my views with that context.

To me the symptom is clear: Double standards and doubling down upon these double standards by inflictor and participant alike (hence my reference to the "Dhimmi complex" for the generalised Indian "trolling" presence here at this late stage - there is no real drive to learn and contribute actually useful things or improve things but just a quantitative abusive approach to whichever other sort of troll or folks like jamahir and others who seem to be here to make up for lack of friends in real world to vent their personal psyche issues upon). i.e things that are being indulged and grown that really should not be.... with some folks you can even see their earlier phases that were different to one they have now as they simply got addicted to PDF emotional rabbit holes.

Anyway I mostly just read defence fora broadly to get an idea of some topics of interest to me....so I noticed some fissures, voids and so on over time....combined with me being friends in real life with some of the higher level participants, each giving me their take on what happened and the reasons why (that I then piece together like a rashomon analysis).

I have quickly searched and found names like "Bharat Rakshak" "sinodefence" "Indian defence forum" and others being used repeatedly by members (including mods) here with no penalty on them...so I will just state the forum I am mentioning earlier here : "defence hub". Others might also be spawning too I am unaware about, but I generally just follow discourse of notables (people I actually learn from, whether I agree or disagree with them upon something) wherever they end up going.

I prefer quality over quantity, each forum has their way of going about it. I think PDF missed out heavily by not having more mods for individual (country specific) sections when it had enough qualitative window to do so and balance this better.

Now its fully just consequences of that missed opportunity (and the window was not some small narrow one, there was PLENTY of time from what I can see of the history of this forum's phases).

Other fora learn from that mistake, they wont have the scale that PDF still holds, but I can get to the meat of a matter far quicker when theres actual coherent adjudicating and moderating structure extended to all (e.g each large country presence gets their own mod etc)....that essentially nips all the downsides regarding mass unkempt trolling (and counter reactionary grievance costs) in the bud.

Otherwise the results are plain to see.....you can see them for yourself here.

Now what people enjoy to participate in, thats matter of their own taste in the end. Most of this forum is not to mine....it takes too much time now to find anything actually being honestly debated and exchanged in good faith to get somewhere.

So I can see why it has shed what it has shed....simply to retain some notion of raw volume at all cost, no matter what that costs and indulges in things that matter much more in the end IMO.

"Quantity has a quality all of its own" was deliberately made to win out here. Too bad.
Nilgiri, is that you?
 
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Some other guy called me "Bilal9" like 10 times :laugh:

You people have some interesting speculation dynamics going on, that much is clear to me.
Your writing style reminded me of him.

Anyways, pay my regards to him.
 
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Beautiful.

Though, saddened to see not one person was into physical fitness. Even the young guys were uncle types regardless of nationalities.

It’s not easy man. I’m turning 40 next month and I curse myself when I go running every other day. It takes a lot out of you and our people aren’t the most physical. Having a family also stops that to an extend
 
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Beautiful.

Though, saddened to see not one person was into physical fitness. Even the young guys were uncle types regardless of nationalities.
Wanted to add, when I graduated basic training, I was running 2 miles at 14:12 min. Now I’m around 18:39, still good for my age but I could be faster if I really try.

In my younger days, my fastest one mile was 6:36 mins.
 
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It's a terrible idea and shouldn't be encouraged
Going by this video unfortunately I see a lot of pakistanis, it's a sad, sad situation my guys

don't get mad and hear me out

Future products of these relationships are - half breeds with no sense of cultural belonging or way forward, cultural compass
they'll be like the African Americans

as Islam is a way of life not a culture

Half breeds from these relationships would either become culturally westernized or become those thobe wearing wannabe Arab salafists

We should discourage this not promote it
 
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