Whatever

[doorstar]

Hindus are uncivilized primitive people.

when did you covert? and to what? if I may be so bold as to ask

Yes. Hindus and Buddhists are disgusting.

While Muslim women are pious and wear burqas, Hindu and Buddhist women worship penis publicly.

is this a sarcastic jab or you've gone completely nuts?

 

[doorstar]

Exactly. Muslim birth rates are exponentially higher than the Hindu birth rates. That says it all.

Also, Hindu girls love Muslim D!cks.

yup, totally bananas, shan't ever bother you again.

 

[Indos]

You forgot the chronology of how the creation process took place


41:9 “Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.”

41:10 “He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;”

41:11 “Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or unwillingly. They said: We come, obedient.”

41:12 “Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.”

You cannot translate it like it is in order LOL. This is why I need to explain it further

This is the basic that is similar with Bigbang theory that Earth and Heaven is one entity in the beginning.

Quran, Al Anbiya verse 30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

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OK then I will try to explain that the other verses show similar essence, but God look like try to make it look easy to for people living in 7 Centuries to understand :

First and second verses are information to elicit readers, it is not necessarily interpreted as if earth and even mountains are made earlier than Heaven (Sky and other universe) LOL. It is not wrong, the statements are both true. It can also mean Earth is made first in concept, while the physical formation is together with Heaven (Universe).


41:9 “Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.”

41:10 “He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;”

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Later God explain further....explain further and it should not be interpreted as the next stage of creation, Why? It is because the redaction of the verse reveals it......

41:11 “Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or unwillingly. They said: We come, obedient.”

Look on this one :

“Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth

Look this redaction shows Earth is part of Heaven in its early stage of formation.

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It is important to say it like this in order not to make people ( who dont understand the bigbang concept) confuse that later can jeopardize their belief in Islam.

While this verse I believe is stated later, after Muslim gets ticker fait since this fact revelation if it is stated to early will make people hard to accept Islam despite it is the truth


Quran, Al Anbiya verse 30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

Explaining in stages is one of the method used by God to teach human, it is for instant happening when God in early period of Islam allow Muslim to drink Alcohol but in later stage it is forbidden with other verse.

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About the word Days

Once again, Days in these Verse should not be considered as Days as in 24 hours as that is Day in Earth perspective where it is based on Earth rotation. It is better stated as stages, but Quran try to make the definition of the period easy to understand by people living in 7 centuries.

 

[doorstar]

Blacklight

 

[Leishangthem]

You cannot translate it like it is in order LOL. This is why I need to explain it further

This is the basic that is similar with Bigbang theory that Earth and Heaven is one entity in the beginning.

Quran, Al Anbiya verse 30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

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OK then I will try to explain that the other verses show similar essence, but God look like try to make it look easy to for people living in 7 Centuries to understand :

First and second verses are information to elicit readers, it is not necessarily interpreted as if earth and even mountains are made earlier than Heaven (Sky and other universe) LOL. It is not wrong, the statements are both true. It can also mean Earth is made first in concept, while the physical formation is together with Heaven (Universe).


41:9 “Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.”

41:10 “He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;”

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Later God explain further....explain further and it should not be interpreted as the next stage of creation, Why? It is because the redaction of the verse reveals it......

41:11 “Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or unwillingly. They said: We come, obedient.”

Look on this one :

“Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth

Look this redaction shows Earth is part of Heaven in its early stage of formation.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is important to say it like this in order not to make people ( who dont understand the bigbang concept) confuse that later can jeopardize their belief in Islam.

While this verse I believe is stated later, after Muslim gets ticker fait since this fact revelation if it is stated to early will make people hard to accept Islam despite it is the truth


Quran, Al Anbiya verse 30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

Explaining in stages is one of the method used by God to teach human, it is for instant happening when God in early period of Islam allow Muslim to drink Alcohol but in later stage it is forbidden with other verse.

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About the word Days

Once again, Days in these Verse should not be considered as Days as in 24 hours as that is Day in Earth perspective where it is based on Earth rotation. It is better stated as stages, but Quran try to make the definition of the period easy to understand by people living in 7 centuries.

First of all ,all the faith lunatics from every religion invest most of their time and resources on how to distort, twist, and “re-interpret” the data ,that's how they try to divert public scrutiny for their business like institution.You are doing something similar here

You cannot translate it like it is in order LOL. This is why I need to explain it further

This is the basic that is similar with Bigbang theory that Earth and Heaven is one entity in the beginning.

Quran, Al Anbiya verse 30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

It talked about such non-existent things as “the Heaven”, which supposedly consists of “seven layers, one on top of the other”, whereas such notions are nonsensical in modern science.

God could have chosen to mention any of thousands of facts (data) that we now know in astronomy. And, even a mere human can find ways to say things so that they both sound “innocent” to the ancient listener, and astonishing to us today. Why did the author— choose to speak only about things that were known by preacher? and even known in the wrong way (“seven heavens”, Moon farther than stars)?

21:32 “And We have made the heaven a guarded canopy and (yet) they turn aside from its signs.”

So,the heaven is a canopy, which means a roof over the heads of people. You, of course, know today that there is nothing like a roof over your head. But they back then didn’t know.


31:10 “He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see;”

If God knew that the Earth is a sphere, and that its atmosphere (responsible for the illusion of “heaven”) surrounds the globe and is held around it by gravity, why would he boast that there are no visible pillars that support it? Pillars are used only to support ceilings.

79:27 “Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? 79:28 He raised its canopy, and He hath given it order and perfection. 79:29 And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. 79:30 And after that He spread the earth.”

So he “raises” the canopy of the heaven (what sense does this really make if by “heaven” to create night and day . Subsequently, god spreads the Earth. (And note please that if you want to create a sphere you don’t spread it, which is what you do if you create a flat, planar surface.) .

It can also mean Earth is made first in concept, while the physical formation is together with Heaven (Universe).

Wow ,this is genius,so god made earth as a prototype but didn't exactly manufactured it but went back and made "heaven"the canopy according to the book ,and then returned to create the earth all done within two days !!
Ok ,playing along,
In verse 41:10 it's confirmed that the finishing-up of the creation of the Earth took some time, as it took a total of four days to adorn the Earth with mountains, etc. So, let’s say that in the first four days of creation was concerned with the Earth, no matter what other things he might be doing at the same time. That’s an unassailable conclusion from 41:9–10 .
Verse 41:11 Translators Pickthal and Shakir say “Then He turned to the heaven”, whereas Yusuf Ali says “Moreover He...” regardless, of whether it's “then” or “moreover”, the Earth was the first object that was created. If the meaning is “then”, then of course earth was created in 4 days and then turned to the heaven. But even if the meaning is “moreover”, still it cannot be that god created the heaven before the Earth, because in 41:11 he speaks to the heaven “when it was smoke”, i.e., unformed yet. God converts the unformed heaven into a formed structure of seven heavens in 41:12, in the next two days.

I'll refrain from complaining about the arithmetic, which sums up to 2+4+2=8 days,contrary to the 6 days of creation mentioned in verse 7:54 mentions Your Guardian-Lord created the heavens and the earth in six days.

 

[Indos]

It talked about such non-existent things as “the Heaven”, which supposedly consists of “seven layers, one on top of the other”, whereas such notions are nonsensical in modern science.

God could have chosen to mention any of thousands of facts (data) that we now know in astronomy. And, even a mere human can find ways to say things so that they both sound “innocent” to the ancient listener, and astonishing to us today. Why did the author— choose to speak only about things that were known by preacher? and even known in the wrong way (“seven heavens”, Moon farther than stars)?

21:32 “And We have made the heaven a guarded canopy and (yet) they turn aside from its signs.”

So,the heaven is a canopy, which means a roof over the heads of people. You, of course, know today that there is nothing like a roof over your head. But they back then didn’t know.


31:10 “He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see;”

If God knew that the Earth is a sphere, and that its atmosphere (responsible for the illusion of “heaven”) surrounds the globe and is held around it by gravity, why would he boast that there are no visible pillars that support it? Pillars are used only to support ceilings.

79:27 “Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? 79:28 He raised its canopy, and He hath given it order and perfection. 79:29 And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. 79:30 And after that He spread the earth.”

So he “raises” the canopy of the heaven (what sense does this really make if by “heaven” to create night and day . Subsequently, god spreads the Earth. (And note please that if you want to create a sphere you don’t spread it, which is what you do if you create a flat, planar surface.) .


Wow ,this is genius,so god made earth as a prototype but didn't exactly manufactured it but went back and made "heaven"the canopy according to the book ,and then returned to create the earth all done within two days !!

Look, heaven (sky) that God mention is heaven (sky) near Earth. It is indeed there are many layers there, how come your education in India doesnt make you understand this simple thing

21:32 “And We have made the heaven a guarded canopy and (yet) they turn aside from its signs.”

So,the heaven is a canopy, which means a roof over the heads of people. You, of course, know today that there is nothing like a roof over your head. But they back then didn’t know.

Another stupid thing coming from you. God uses the word canopy because people living in 7 centuries havent known the fact that there is Atmosphere on Earth and one of its function is for protection from sun ultraviolet and it did protect Earth from falling meteorite, this is why canopy term is used. They dont even understand about Atmosphere, so think more clever next time and try to understand symbolic words.

I will answers others later. I have won many debate from you and you keep continuing with nonsense analysis, it shows how swallow your thinking ability is

 

[Indos]

Do I need to keep my time answering whole this North Indian guy question ???

By giving fact God has shown Nebula, Big Bang Theory, Universe comes from Gas, Mountains are moving (but very slow) and Sky with 7 layers and utilized as shield and protection. He should understand that it is indeed shows Quran indeed comes from God directly. That were stated in 7 Century for God's sake !!!!!!!!

This show some people just so stubborn or maybe God doesnt want him to go to heaven because inside his heart he is dishonest person that make God doesnt like him and prefer this creature to be God enemy

 

[Indos]

 

[doorstar]

Where is F-16 block 60 from khafeeleeks

it's been diverted to Shonardesh, the beautiful one out-bid the UAE's Commander-in-Chief Gen. Khafee

 

[Leishangthem]

Look, heaven (sky) that God mention is heaven (sky) near Earth. It is indeed there are many layers there, how come your education in India doesnt make you understand this simple thing

Yeah and where's the 7 layers of heaven ,one stacked above other? In verse 71:15 " god has created the seven heavens, one above another. "

In science there's no such thing as 7 layers but 5.

But your God didn’t mean the Earth’s atmosphere by the word “heaven”, because the Sun and the Moon are in some part of the “seven heavens”, according to your religious book, and such astronomical objects are of course not in our Earth’s atmosphere. Moreover, in verse 37:6 God tells that "he put the stars in the lowest of the seven heavens:" ....

1:16 “And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) lamp?”

So your god says that the Moon is in the midst of the (supposed) seven heavens.
Is moon in the middle of atmospheric layers as you claim? and the distance of the Moon must be at least as far away as the stars? ?...

Does that conclusion supports modern scientific knowledge that your first class national education provides?

Another stupid thing coming from you. God uses the word canopy because people living in 7 centuries havent known the fact that there is Atmosphere on Earth and one of its function is for protection from sun ultraviolet and it did protect Earth from falling meteorite, this is why canopy term is used. They dont even understand about Atmosphere, so think more clever next time and try to understand symbolic words.

I will answers others later. I have won many debate from you and you keep continuing with nonsense analysis, it shows how swallow your thinking ability is

22:65 “Do you not see that he has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He withholds the heaven from falling on the earth except with His permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men.”


31:10 “He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see;”

7:40 “Lo! they who deny Our revelations and scorn them, for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, nor will they enter the Garden until the camel goeth through the needle’s eye. Thus do We requite the guilty.”

79:27 “Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? 79:28 He raised its canopy, and He hath given it order and perfection. 79:29 And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. 79:30 And after that He spread the earth.”
^^
Yeah,the atmosphere which I recently talked just above,that thing which contains the moon in between ,is being held by your god to prevent it from falling on our heads... with invisible pillars at that;and that the heaven contains gates that can be opened through which only believers will escape. Your god than “raises” the canopy of the heaven aka atmosphere and creates night and day ,sun is irrelevant. Subsequently, your god than spreads the Earth,but I though if you want to create a sphere you don’t spread it, which is what you do if you create a flat surface like flat earth .

Brilliant !

 

[313ghazi]

Yeah and where's the 7 layers of heaven ,one stacked above other? In verse 71:15 " god has created the seven heavens, one above another. "

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In science there's no such thing as 7 layers but 5.

But your God didn’t mean the Earth’s atmosphere by the word “heaven”, because the Sun and the Moon are in some part of the “seven heavens”, according to your religious book, and such astronomical objects are of course not in our Earth’s atmosphere. Moreover, in verse 37:6 God tells that "he put the stars in the lowest of the seven heavens:" ....

1:16 “And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) lamp?”

So your god says that the Moon is in the midst of the (supposed) seven heavens.
Is moon in the middle of atmospheric layers as you claim? and the distance of the Moon must be at least as far away as the stars? ?...

Does that conclusion supports modern scientific knowledge that your first class national education provides?

22:65 “Do you not see that he has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He withholds the heaven from falling on the earth except with His permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men.”


31:10 “He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see;”

7:40 “Lo! they who deny Our revelations and scorn them, for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, nor will they enter the Garden until the camel goeth through the needle’s eye. Thus do We requite the guilty.”

79:27 “Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? 79:28 He raised its canopy, and He hath given it order and perfection. 79:29 And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. 79:30 And after that He spread the earth.”
^^
Yeah,the atmosphere which I recently talked just above,that thing which contains the moon in between ,is being held by your god to prevent it from falling on our heads... with invisible pillars at that;and that the heaven contains gates that can be opened through which only believers will escape. Your god than “raises” the canopy of the heaven aka atmosphere and creates night and day ,sun is irrelevant. Subsequently, your god than spreads the Earth,but I though if you want to create a sphere you don’t spread it, which is what you do if you create a flat surface like flat earth .

Brilliant !

until a few years ago even these 5 layers didn't exist in "science". Science is a means by which we understand the uniform, our understanding will evolve, sometimes it will be correct, other times it will be incorrect - this is how hypothesis work. Maybe in a few hundred years time we will realise that there are many other layers, even more than 7.

In the Quran Allah commands us to contemplate his creation.

Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and the earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe. Quran 10:101

 

[Leishangthem]

dumbass until a few years ago even these 5 layers didn't exist in "science". Science is a means by which we understand the uniform, our understanding will evolve, sometimes it will be correct, other times it will be incorrect - this is how hypothesis work.

ok smartass, there's indeed 7 layers,not more, not less, because imaginary entities says so! with moon in the middle of it ,stars at the lowest layer. Happy?

 

[313ghazi]

ok smartass, there's indeed 7 layers,not more, not less, because imaginary entities says so! with moon in the middle of it ,stars at the lowest layer. Happy?

i removed the word dumbass, it was uncalled for. I apologise.

As for the rest of what you said, it's our job as humans to find out, to continue to strive to find out. The Quran instructs us to do this. You don't have to believe, there is no compulsion, but you're taking verses out of context to try and win an arguement on the internet and you're making yourself look foolish.

 

[Leishangthem]

i removed the word dumbass, it was uncalled for. I apologise.

As for the rest of what you said, it's our job as humans to find out, to continue to strive to find out. The Quran instructs us to do this. You don't have to believe, there is no compulsion, but you're taking verses out of context to try and win an arguement on the internet and you're making yourself look foolish.

I'm not the one re-interpreting,the one that re-interprets should be the one that's talking out of context, technically.I'm not here to talk anyone out of their religious belief ,especially some paid local religious group members ,I was just replying to the claims he proposed by quoting me in his attempt to prove how his faith is scientific and real .I find his proposed claims unfactual,re-interpreted and unscientific ,that's all.

 

[Indos]

until a few years ago even these 5 layers didn't exist in "science". Science is a means by which we understand the uniform, our understanding will evolve, sometimes it will be correct, other times it will be incorrect - this is how hypothesis work. Maybe in a few hundred years time we will realise that there are many other layers, even more than 7.

In the Quran Allah commands us to contemplate his creation.

Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and the earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe. Quran 10:101

That North Indian guy look like dont have critical thinking

Even beside showing layers in sky, Quran also stated there are layers as well in Earth which is true

Quran, At Thalaq verse 12

Allah is the One Who created seven heavens ˹in layers˺, and likewise for the earth. The ˹divine˺ command descends between them so you may know that Allah is Most Capable of everything and that Allah certainly encompasses all things in ˹His˺ knowledge.

https://quran.com/65/12