Whatever

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Would he be willing to take up arms to defend our country and kill Pakistanis.

To give him a benefit of doubt.. Did you ask if he would help Pakistan militarily even if it (the help) is passive?

- PRTP GWD

 

[padamchen]

To give him a benefit of doubt.. Did you ask if he would help Pakistan militarily even if it (the help) is passive?

- PRTP GWD

I don't need to ask him any questions Pratap.

There is a never-ending flow of kids on PDF.

I'm not one of them.

Regardless, no anonymous individual is important enough to dissect beyond my reply to you to clear what I believed was a naive assumption.

Over the years we have found our ways to meet the intersting folk in the real world outside PDF. Even Pakistanis.

Even a radical like Nilu Pule trusted me enough to reach out.

No cloak and daggers.

Jamahir is an Indian Muslim who is very careful about his identity. Long before things went tight for them.

Take from that what you will.

Cheers, Doc

 

[jamahir]

There is no such entity as a leftist or commie Muslim.

A Muslim is simply a Muslim.

Since 1900 :

the comfortable muslims of yesteryears and the pious muslims of now

Islamic Socialism: A history from left to right Nadeem F. Paracha — Published Feb 21, 2013 07:40am Between the 1950s and early 1970s, a powerful ideology in the Muslim world galvanised itself from the minds and fringes of modern Islamic intellectualism and made its way into the mainstream...

defence.pk

 

[padamchen]

Since 1900 :

the comfortable muslims of yesteryears and the pious muslims of now

Islamic Socialism: A history from left to right Nadeem F. Paracha — Published Feb 21, 2013 07:40am Between the 1950s and early 1970s, a powerful ideology in the Muslim world galvanised itself from the minds and fringes of modern Islamic intellectualism and made its way into the mainstream...

defence.pk

A Muslim is simply a Muslim. There are no real qualifiers inherent.

As I told Waz (one of the decent Muslims) once.

Scratch the surface and under the paper thin veneers of society or circumstance, you will eventually find the Muslim.

On the other hand, when you cease being a Muslim, your mind and soul opens up to the cosmos and you shed dogma for true enlightenment.

Cheers, Doc

 

[jamahir]

A Muslim is simply a Muslim. There are no real qualifiers inherent.

As I told Waz (one of the decent Muslims) once.

Scratch the surface and under the paper thin veneers of society or circumstance, you will eventually find the Muslim.

So you think I am like Afrazul Mandal with his preference for Indian Muslims to secede from the Indian Union ? Or like Mujhaidind or like HalfMoon who is comfortable with burqa culture in Lad Bazaar, Hyderabad ? BTW, HalfMoon is most likely a BJP IT Cell member, here to sow discord and confusion.

On the other hand, when you cease being a Muslim, your mind and soul opens up to the cosmos and you shed dogma for true enlightenment.

Isn't that true for anyone who ceases to be ritualistic ?

About Communism, I consider modern Communism to be the natural successor of Islam, hence the many Muslims in older times who were drawn to modern communist / socialist activism around the world. I will quote from that thread of mine :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

I can only ask you to read that thread ( OP + discussion ) in entirety.

To give him a benefit of doubt.. Did you ask if he would help Pakistan militarily even if it (the help) is passive?

- PRTP GWD

Good question. Answer is no.

 

[padamchen]

So you think I am like Afrazul Mandal with his preference for Indian Muslims to cede from the Indian Union ? Or like Mujhaidind or like HalfMoon who is comfortable with burqa culture in Lad Bazaar, Hyderabad ? BTW, HalfMoon is most likely a BJP IT Cell member, here to sow discord and confusion.

I think guys like you who live here are more dangerous than the Afrazul and Xeuss types who we've shed and who at most can direct and fund operations from overseas and online.

White collar educated Muslim guys in IT. Where have we heard that before ....

Good question. Answer is no.

In a shooting war if you are not with me then you are against me.

Cheers, Doc

 

[jamahir]

@-=virus=-, posting here because that thread has been deleted.

Political (communist) dalits aside.. there is no major problem in India with Buddhists/dalit Buddhists or Christians.

1. Who are the communist Dalits ?

2. The UP government's recent law against "Love Jihad" had a side law against "mass conversion". This was to expressly jail those Dalits who converted en masse to Buddhism. The Buddhists of Ladakh and Dharamshala are politically disconnected with the rest of India and are fit only for showing to tourists.

3. Why did the mother and brother of Rohith Vemula convert to Buddhism ?

It's a (sunni) Muslims vs the rest of all Indians thing in India which is a bit of a problem.

"And then they came for the Jews but I didn't speak up because I was not a Jew".

From the Wikipedia page for Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi, a Shia leader in the BJP :

Naqvi feels that Muslims don't desert other Muslims if they are given important posts in the Bharatiya Janata Party. For the party to increase support amongst the Muslims; he opines that they should feel that they are "equal citizens of this country"

I wonder what he will have to say when he encounters Subramanian Swamy who has said that Muslims in India should be second-class citizens.

Surprised you didn't mention and try to co-opt the Sikhs in your imaginary communist revolution against the "Brahmanical system"

The Sikhs, the farmers at least, have now gotten organized. In the Delhi protests they have heckled the Right-aligned media agencies, saying that they won't speak to Godi Media.

 

[fitpOsitive]

It was 1993. BJP was a so so party... Please listen till last.

@jamahir

@Hakikat ve Hikmet if you understand urdu...

 

[Indos]

@The Accountant

Just watch the movie last night. Second time. Never get boring watching it.

 

[Itachi]

You came out of ‘retirement’ for this, and not all that Pakistan has gone through?

@Shehr Abbasi Didn't get to say this in the other thread since you know.....thread lock...

"Pretty sure most of us are here because we love our respective nations. "

Adios.

Fat slobs of Pakistan View attachment 708592

No hard feeling...

 

[Shehr Abbasi]

@Shehr Abbasi Didn't get to say this in the other thread since you know.....thread lock...

"Pretty sure most of us are here because we love our respective nations. "

Adios.

Anyways...
He will not honor his word.
He cannot be trusted.
He is a deceitful individual.
I guarantee that he will break his "promise" in a few hours or tomorrow.

I honestly was expecting 5-10 chinaposters to raid the thread, but gladly it didn't happen. What a miracle!

 

[Itachi]

Anyways...
He will not honor his word.
He cannot be trusted.
He is a deceitful individual.
I guarantee that he will break his "promise" in a few hours or tomorrow.

I honestly was expecting 5-10 chinaposters to raid the thread, but gladly it didn't happen. What a miracle!

There were like at least 3 different Chinese in there lol.....all came in soon after BeijingWalker...

If the thread was still open, I'm sure Beast & Feng Leng would have jumped in to. I'm still talking to both on separate threads.

 

[Shehr Abbasi]

There were like at least 3 different Chinese in there lol.....all came in soon after BeijingWalker...

If the thread was still open, I'm sure Beast & Feng Leng would have jumped in to. I'm still talking to both on separate threads.

Honestly we cant compete with a litter of china posters who are willing to spend dozens of hours on the trot here for social credits and yuans.... this dude promised to stop xianjiang propaganda posts (huge statement).... such a liar. dont even believe him one bit.

EDIT: he just started posting pictures of Uyghur girls again...

 

[CIA Mole]

Honestly we cant compete with a litter of china posters who are willing to spend dozens of hours on the trot here for social credits and yuans.... this dude promised to stop xianjiang propaganda posts (huge statement).... such a liar. dont even believe him one bit.

This is a huge problem at PDF.
You also got that US guy that starts a new thread every time the stocks go up.


Even the stupid indians at *** got a better handle of this.

We need to limit the number of threads people can post or force then to post in existing threads like “Chinese economy” “US economy” “Uyghur/Xinjiang”

That goes for all those spammer members

 

[jamahir]

It was 1993. BJP was a so so party... Please listen till last.

@jamahir

Maybe Israr Ahmad also being somewhat of a ritualist Muslim, from my limited readings of him, may have enabled him to make that prediction. A projection.

But what did he have against women who discard the burqa ? Those who follow this aspect to him should read the below extractions which I am copying from another thread :

There is nothing Islamic about the veil / niqab / burqa. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition. An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :

An Egyptian lawmaker has said members of parliament are drafting a law that would ban women from wearing the burqa in government institutions after alleging the Islamic full-face veil was a "Jewish tradition".

Amna Nosseir said on Sunday that the proposed ban would be in the best interest of Egyptian society and that she has been battling against the burqa over the past 40 years.

Nosseir, who wears the hijab, said on Wednesday that the burqa - known in Arabic as the niqab - had its origins in Jewish religious law.

"In the Old Testament, you find in chapter 38 that the Jewish religious authorities tell you that if Jewish women leave the house without covering the face and head then they are breaking Jewish religious law," the lawmaker said during an interview with local media.

"I have gathered around 20 texts by Jewish religious authorities that completely forbid women from showing their faces and heads," Nosseir said while discussing also banning female university students from wearing "ripped jeans" in lectures.

She added that this part of Jewish law became entrenched in pre-Islamic Arab tribes of the Arabian Peninsula and then spread throughout the Middle East with the Muslim conquests.

The verse the lawmaker could be referring to is Genesis 38, where a biblical figure encounters his daughter-in-law in the street and mistakes her for a prostitute because she had covered her face with a veil.

It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa. It is also to be observed that it was Western-supported Muslim leaders who encouraged burqa. Example, in Afghanistan in the 80s the socialist government enabled women at least in the cities to go without the burqa but the Western governments birthed the Al Qaeda and later the Taliban who brought the burqa back.

Watch this vid about Nasser recalling his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Note the reaction of the audience.

This article describes the West-boot-licking anti-women attitude of the Muslim Brotherhood gang :

“The parties were dissolved, and we clashed with the Muslim Brotherhood party, during the four years, in 1953 and in 1954 … We were embroiled in dispute, they declared war against us, and they shot at me on October, 26, 1954 in Alexandria … Terrorist members in the Muslim Brotherhood party were arrested, and they were judged,” Nasser said during the statement.

“In 1954, we were negotiating with the British [forces occupying Egypt at the time] for the evacuation [deal]. At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood members were holding secret meetings with the members of the British Embassy. They were telling them: we will be able to seize power,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the Muslim Brotherhood party has never held the patriotic feelings which Egyptians have held, adding: “The Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood at the time when we were fighting in the Canal was asked: what is your stance on the war in the canal. He said: We are a wide (international) call. Perhaps the war in the canal comes for your benefit here in Egypt, while we think it is beneficial to fight in another country.”

“This is the call of the Muslim Brotherhood. All of [their] speech is full of deception and [exploitation of] religion,” Nasser stated.

Similar to what happened following 2011 revolution when people decided to reconcile with the Muslim Brotherhood, perhaps because the youth who led the January revolution were not familiar with the MB policies, Abdel Nasser said he reconciled with the MB members, explaining that the reconciliation however, failed to turn them into good citizens.

“In 1953, we actually and honestly wanted to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood supposing that [this will make its members] take the right path. I met with the General guide of the Muslim Brotherhood. He issued [some] demands,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the MB guide asked him to force Egyptian women to wear Islamic veil and to shut cinemas and theaters.

Nasser said: “He told me that you as a ruler is responsible [for veiling women]. I told him, you have a daughter in the Faculty of Medicine who is unveiled. Why didn’t you force her to wear a veil? If you are not able to make your daughter wear a veil, [how] would you want me to [force] 10 million women to wear veils in the country?”

“Then, [he told me] that women must not [go to] work. I think that when a woman works, we are protecting her [this way]. Why do [some women] go astray? They do so because of the need and poverty. We all know such stories of women whose sons or mothers are sick and they did not find money, so they were forced to sell their bodies. Therefore, work is a protection for women, while preventing women from work [works] against her. We actually liberate women by [allowing] them to work and cooperate with the man,” Nasser added.

“Last year, in 1964, before the constitution, I released them all from the prison, and we issued a law to return every one of them to his work with the same salary and promotion prospects. In 1965, we seized the new conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood; secret system, and assassination and destruction plans,” the late President said.

Nasser said that Muslim Brotherhood group says that all the [Egyptian] people are disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslims. According to Nasser, The MB members say they refuse people representation, and the Parliament. He added that the MB group considers the kings and presidents of the Arab and other countries as disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslim people.

“They were arrested, and we also arrested all old MB organizations … It is not about the assassination of Gamal Abdel Nasser. If Abdel Nasser was assassinated, a thousand people similar to Gamal Abdel Nasser would emerge, but we can never accept that [our] people be assassinated,” Nasser stated.

“We started to view [their cases]; all people who participated in these secret organizations will be referred to judgment. All dangerous people who we released in 1964 and had basically represented heads or dangerous members in the secret organizations will be [imprisoned]. After that, the rest of [the MB group members] will be released. We will give them another chance. If somebody of them [commits similar illegal actions] we will arrest him and we will never get him out of prison.”

“It is enough. We cannot take a gamble on the rewards we achieved during the 13 past years,” Nasser stated, adding that the MB group uses Islam to deceive people and grab them to join the party.

Concerning the MB, “they are neither Muslims, nor brothers. They are malevolent … Their leaders outside [the country] cooperated with Baghdad Pact, colonial countries, all our enemies, and Arab reactionary, and proved with clear evidence that the MB party or movement is only a movement that works for the benefit of colonialism and reactionary, by which it is funded.

MB author and thinker Sayed Kotb was executed in 1966 after being convicted of planning to assassinate Nasser who ruled Egypt for about 14 years until his death in 1970.