What Pakistan Army Should Do To Redeem Itself?

[One_Nation]

Army as a whole has lost love of Pakistan.
Please Give one liner what Pakistan Army can do that it can redeem itself and get back the love and reverance of the people.
Please only positive responses you genuinely feel, no acrimony.

For me -
Get back Jammu & Kashmir in next Five Years.
Including Laddakh.
Himachal Paradesh too.

Its like expecting a thief to change his ways on his own.
They can only be redeemed if they are forcefully cleansed otherwise they will keep playing tricks to make it look like they have changed.

 

[imadul]

Its like expecting a thief to change his ways on his own.
They can only be redeemed if they are forcefully cleansed otherwise they will keep playing tricks to make it look like they have changed.

That's true. Leopard can't change its spots.
They should be skinned.

 

[MilSpec]

Remove PDM and all their affiliates.
Ban dynasty families from politics for life.
Stay away from ruling Pakistan.
Start to make counter insurgency their priority.

Out if the box idea.
kashmir, that would surely redeem the army? Didn't Kargil galvanize the entire polity of Pakistan.

 

[simple Brain]

Army as a whole has lost love of Pakistan.
Please Give one liner what Pakistan Army can do that it can redeem itself and get back the love and reverance of the people.
Please only positive responses you genuinely feel, no acrimony.

For me -
Get back Jammu & Kashmir in next Five Years.
Including Laddakh.
Himachal Paradesh too.

I reckon you have started a great thread here; wanted to ask these questions myself for quite a long time. There are many factors, however I would like to mention few.

1. Stop mendling in domestic politics & start mendling in International politics especially that of USA (since they have an immense influence & integration with US establishment).

2. Stop implenting the Western thoughts upon general public & inside the barrcks. (Western thoughts include, Western Culture, transofrming Pakistan into a lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) pride and LGBT State, few of your Generals & few of your elite civilians may like to follow the culture of Beetles & ACDC but that does not mean that the entire Military & the entire population wants it too).

4. Stop being a cannon fodder for the US empire, stop sending off your own soldiers/officers for the trainings & wars in the regions where US hegemony is at stake.

5. Stop spying on your own people, Stop aganizing your own People, stop being a state of dictatorship. Stop what you have learned from US & Israel that either it's your way or the highway. After independence Israel traced, tracked Nazis & killed them, you do the same but to your own People, People who are loyal to the state, not to the People who are against the state, had it been the opposite than the likes of Altaf & others would have been burrid eight feet underground.

6. Stop planning to steal Afghanistan Natural resources with the help & 50% share committement wiith USA establishmenet. Starting off the Terrorist activities & cross border skirmishes will do you no good, you cannot and will not get what is not yours.

7. Stop stealing Balochistan, KPK, Sindh natural resources, its not a coincidence that whereever these resources are their is a high risk of terror attacks. We know you lack budget for your own greedy desires, but that won't help you anymore, People are so much aware of these things that go ahead and ask a barber in a barber shop he will not stop explaining your years of corroption.

8. Stop threateneing general public with a boogyman that you created in the name of TTP, you are badly exposed, since you receive basic dictation from Washington & Langley, they created terror groups like Al-Qaida, ISIS, Bokoharam & the likes of it to terrorise whoever goes against their will, you have achieved your goals with TTP. (People even the ordinary people now speak of these things in streets).

9. Stop planning to sell or surrender our Nuclear assets, they are not stopping us to excel, YOU ARE! They are their to stop our enemies, enemies that few of your Generals hold extremely dear to themselves.

10. You reckon that if follow the commands of your US establishment they will resume your coalition support fund, since it is extremely easy to divert that money to overseas accounts & distribute that among your top Generals, well you literally need to stop that, Your own people are now standing against you, whether they are in service or retired.

11. War with India is inevitable, whether you like it or not, you cannot handover Kashmir in a platter to India, their will be consequences, consequences that are going to be so svere that the entire Nation will pay the price for it.

Finally, no matter what Religion you follow, whether or not you are an atheist, do not make decisions like you have in the past under the influence of Western Powers including Israel. No we do not want to turn Pakistan into Japan or South Korea by surrendering our dignity & pride. If you stop supporting illitrate politicians & corropt judiciary Pakistan might have a chance to florish.

Their is high probability that if you continue this current path Pakistan soon will have a civil war.

 

[imadul]

I reckon you have started a great thread here; wanted to ask these questions myself for quite a long time. There are many factors, however I would like to mention few.

1. Stop mendling in domestic politics & start mendling in International politics especially that of USA (since they have an immense influence & integration with US establishment).

2. Stop implenting the Western thoughts upon general public & inside the barrcks. (Western thoughts include, Western Culture, transofrming Pakistan into a lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) pride and LGBT State, few of your Generals & few of your elite civilians may like to follow the culture of Beetles & ACDC but that does not mean that the entire Military & the entire population wants it too).

4. Stop being a cannon fodder for the US empire, stop sending off your own soldiers/officers for the trainings & wars in the regions where US hegemony is at stake.

5. Stop spying on your own people, Stop aganizing your own People, stop being a state of dictatorship. Stop what you have learned from US & Israel that either it's your way or the highway. After independence Israel traced, tracked Nazis & killed them, you do the same but to your own People, People who are loyal to the state, not to the People who are against the state, had it been the opposite than the likes of Altaf & others would have been burrid eight feet underground.

6. Stop planning to steal Afghanistan Natural resources with the help & 50% share committement wiith USA establishmenet. Starting off the Terrorist activities & cross border skirmishes will do you no good, you cannot and will not get what is not yours.

7. Stop stealing Balochistan, KPK, Sindh natural resources, its not a coincidence that whereever these resources are their is a high risk of terror attacks. We know you lack budget for your own greedy desires, but that won't help you anymore, People are so much aware of these things that go ahead and ask a barber in a barber shop he will not stop explaining your years of corroption.

8. Stop threateneing general public with a boogyman that you created in the name of TTP, you are badly exposed, since you receive basic dictation from Washington & Langley, they created terror groups like Al-Qaida, ISIS, Bokoharam & the likes of it to terrorise whoever goes against their will, you have achieved your goals with TTP. (People even the ordinary people now speak of these things in streets).

9. Stop planning to sell or surrender our Nuclear assets, they are not stopping us to excel, YOU ARE! They are their to stop our enemies, enemies that few of your Generals hold extremely dear to themselves.

10. You reckon that if follow the commands of your US establishment they will resume your coalition support fund, since it is extremely easy to divert that money to overseas accounts & distribute that among your top Generals, well you literally need to stop that, Your own people are now standing against you, whether they are in service or retired.

11. War with India is inevitable, whether you like it or not, you cannot handover Kashmir in a platter to India, their will be consequences, consequences that are going to be so svere that the entire Nation will pay the price for it.

Finally, no matter what Religion you follow, whether or not you are an atheist, do not make decisions like you have in the past under the influence of Western Powers including Israel. No we do not want to turn Pakistan into Japan or South Korea by surrendering our dignity & pride. If you stop supporting illitrate politicians & corropt judiciary Pakistan might have a chance to florish.

Their is high probability that if you continue this current path Pakistan soon will have a civil war.

You have put a long list, each of it will hit security establishment/military Inc very dear adopted self assumed responsibilities.
Awareness has taken hold, and generals and their evil war techniques they apply on their own countrymen (thats a miss statement, they don't consider Pakistanis as citizens but occupied people), and they way they have their poisonous fangs everywhere, all stand exposed.

That's why these zameeni khuda are so furious with IK.

My new thread, establishment anger is understandable was deleted with the catch all phrase, INVALID SOURCE.

 

[simple Brain]

You have put a long list, each of it will hit security establishment/military Inc very dear adopted self assumed responsibilities.
Awareness has taken hold, and generals and their evil war techniques they apply on their own countrymen (thats a miss statement, they don't consider Pakistanis as citizens but occupied people), and they way they have their poisonous fangs everywhere, all stand exposed.

That's why these zameeni khuda are so furious with IK.

My new thread, establishment anger is understandable was deleted with the catch all phrase, INVALID SOURCE.

Fascism, Greed, Arrigance, selfish desires, cowardness & vulnerability these are the common factors that your opponent make you squeal, & that's exactly what's happening with our establishment & judiciary right now.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Army as a whole has lost love of Pakistan.
Please Give one liner what Pakistan Army can do that it can redeem itself and get back the love and reverance of the people.
Please only positive responses you genuinely feel, no acrimony.

For me -
Get back Jammu & Kashmir in next Five Years.
Including Laddakh.
Himachal Paradesh too.

No one should own more than 50 acres. Only this. Rest we will see.

 

[Crimson Blue]

This is being done to redeem image of Army today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634224591924076544

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634119051948482560

 

[PakAlp]

You guys ever think how Pakistan a poor country has such a powerful military with nuclear weapons? How did they come with all this money? I am sure it must have cost billions upon billions to get to this level. GHQ is like Military industrial complex. They will never ever surrender their power and wealth because they know the corrupt civilian politicians etc will eat all the wealth whilst the military will end up with sticks to fight. We on PDF scream J10s are coming, we all want new toys but have no idea where the money is coming from. Keep India in your minds, they are developing and have a huge budget compared to Pakistan. What will happen if we end up becoming behind India? Or the military is relying on the civilians? India bought Rafale and straight away bankrupt Pakistan bought J10s to counter them, if we had civilians in power we would probably end up selling half of Pakistan for peace.

Pakistan establishment and civilians political parties need to come to some sort of agreement so we can move on as a nation, we need a stable Pakistan so economy can grow but the leaders are the face of the public. You can't ask for saints when you yourself are corrupt. The civilians have been involved in mass corruption and people have been keep on supporting and defending them.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

I reckon you have started a great thread here; wanted to ask these questions myself for quite a long time. There are many factors, however I would like to mention few.

1. Stop mendling in domestic politics & start mendling in International politics especially that of USA (since they have an immense influence & integration with US establishment).

2. Stop implenting the Western thoughts upon general public & inside the barrcks. (Western thoughts include, Western Culture, transofrming Pakistan into a lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) pride and LGBT State, few of your Generals & few of your elite civilians may like to follow the culture of Beetles & ACDC but that does not mean that the entire Military & the entire population wants it too).

4. Stop being a cannon fodder for the US empire, stop sending off your own soldiers/officers for the trainings & wars in the regions where US hegemony is at stake.

5. Stop spying on your own people, Stop aganizing your own People, stop being a state of dictatorship. Stop what you have learned from US & Israel that either it's your way or the highway. After independence Israel traced, tracked Nazis & killed them, you do the same but to your own People, People who are loyal to the state, not to the People who are against the state, had it been the opposite than the likes of Altaf & others would have been burrid eight feet underground.

6. Stop planning to steal Afghanistan Natural resources with the help & 50% share committement wiith USA establishmenet. Starting off the Terrorist activities & cross border skirmishes will do you no good, you cannot and will not get what is not yours.

7. Stop stealing Balochistan, KPK, Sindh natural resources, its not a coincidence that whereever these resources are their is a high risk of terror attacks. We know you lack budget for your own greedy desires, but that won't help you anymore, People are so much aware of these things that go ahead and ask a barber in a barber shop he will not stop explaining your years of corroption.

8. Stop threateneing general public with a boogyman that you created in the name of TTP, you are badly exposed, since you receive basic dictation from Washington & Langley, they created terror groups like Al-Qaida, ISIS, Bokoharam & the likes of it to terrorise whoever goes against their will, you have achieved your goals with TTP. (People even the ordinary people now speak of these things in streets).

9. Stop planning to sell or surrender our Nuclear assets, they are not stopping us to excel, YOU ARE! They are their to stop our enemies, enemies that few of your Generals hold extremely dear to themselves.

10. You reckon that if follow the commands of your US establishment they will resume your coalition support fund, since it is extremely easy to divert that money to overseas accounts & distribute that among your top Generals, well you literally need to stop that, Your own people are now standing against you, whether they are in service or retired.

11. War with India is inevitable, whether you like it or not, you cannot handover Kashmir in a platter to India, their will be consequences, consequences that are going to be so svere that the entire Nation will pay the price for it.

Finally, no matter what Religion you follow, whether or not you are an atheist, do not make decisions like you have in the past under the influence of Western Powers including Israel. No we do not want to turn Pakistan into Japan or South Korea by surrendering our dignity & pride. If you stop supporting illitrate politicians & corropt judiciary Pakistan might have a chance to florish.

Their is high probability that if you continue this current path Pakistan soon will have a civil war.

I just stopped reading onwards point1 which shows you are still learning..how can you play international role when you are domestically weak.
All these pakistani people who wanted to play a role between saudia and Iran today are nowhere to be found while China gets the job done between two states. While we tried to show we are important.. during last and previous governments.. the reality was opposite.

Pakistan cannot project itself internationally or even regionally until its domestically strong..

 

[Thrust_Vector998]

They will never ever surrender their power and wealth because they know the corrupt civilian politicians etc will eat all the wealth whilst the military will end up with sticks to fight.

Fighting India is just bullsh*t now. Those mfs don't give a f*ck about Pakistan(and they never did) lmao. Honestly I don't care now what happens to them in Balochistan etc etc. Awaam ko truck ki batti Kay peechay lagaya wa tha that India is our enemy etc etc just for us to fund their luxurious lives. Not anymore.
Better to be destroyed by India than by our own so called Saviors.

 

[PradoTLC]

Army as a whole has lost love of Pakistan.
Please Give one liner what Pakistan Army can do that it can redeem itself and get back the love and reverance of the people.
Please only positive responses you genuinely feel, no acrimony.

For me -
Get back Jammu & Kashmir in next Five Years.
Including Laddakh.
Himachal Paradesh too.

Simple …

Just follow the law.

 

[PakAlp]

They dont have absolute power.. remember when musharaf made NAB and started catching all the thugs.. politicians got united against him and ..all the propaganda against him on TV was used to portray him as a guy killing fellow brothers in Afghanistan and turning pakistan secular... he was held responsible for all the chaos that the politicians were themselves creating.
He had his share of mistakes but the lawyers movement and media was used by politicians to deflect and derail the governance and anti corruption practices he tried to bring in.
One example is how he turned whole baluchistan into Area A back in 2008 and raisani threw it in the UN and got it reverted.

Or when PMLN were after Musharaff, he had to hide in military hospital. People think the military is in complete control but its not. The judiciary is very powerful (the lawyers movement against Musharaff) and the civilian politicians are also power and have international backing.

Pakistan establishment/military and political parties need to sit down and come to an agreement then the military can be neutral and let their be free and fair elections. We need to move on from these dirty politics and false cases, kidnapping people etc.

 

[truthseeker2010]

You guys ever think how Pakistan a poor country has such a powerful military with nuclear weapons? How did they come with all this money? I am sure it must have cost billions upon billions to get to this level. GHQ is like Military industrial complex. They will never ever surrender their power and wealth because they know the corrupt civilian politicians etc will eat all the wealth whilst the military will end up with sticks to fight. We on PDF scream J10s are coming, we all want new toys but have no idea where the money is coming from. Keep India in your minds, they are developing and have a huge budget compared to Pakistan. What will happen if we end up becoming behind India? Or the military is relying on the civilians? India bought Rafale and straight away bankrupt Pakistan bought J10s to counter them, if we had civilians in power we would probably end up selling half of Pakistan for peace.

Pakistan establishment and civilians political parties need to come to some sort of agreement so we can move on as a nation, we need a stable Pakistan so economy can grow but the leaders are the face of the public. You can't ask for saints when you yourself are corrupt. The civilians have been involved in mass corruption and people have been keep on supporting and defending them.

Kid the money with which they buy their toys come from public's money. Or they borrow in the name of Pakistani public. The money does not grow in the garden of army cantts.

 

[PakAlp]

I hope IK comes into power without military help this time. That should be the first step towards military knowing its hand in politics is over.

We all know the military bought him to power and supported the darnas, they protected him right till the voting took place. Pti youth followers are in denial just like ppp and pmln followers believe their leaders are saints.
The problem was IK and military developed differences and the Military just backed off their support and this was enough for the PDM to remove IK by paying PTI allies and MNAs to change loyalties.

Kid the money with which they buy their toys come from public's money. Or they borrow in the name of Pakistani public. The money does not grow in the garden of army cantts.

Or it comes from the GHQ 60Billion business empire or billions of investment in foreign accounts. I am not defending them but noone is giving solutions but just chatting bubbles.