What Is Zoroastrianism? and what do they have to do with Mazda car company?

[padamchen]

Okay get it...Lydia,Roman Republic,Roman Empire,Byzantine Empire ...

Iranians are extremely racially proud.

They hate how they are portrayed by the western barbarian hordes.

Movies such as 300 do not help.

Alexander for them is a faggot.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 what Padamchen said here is very true, i'm sunni of Persian shia background and i noticed that VERY OFTEN, though today what Iranians are following is an Arab religion, they have blended it with Persian nationalism on various angles to such an extent that some Arabs derogatorily call them Magians

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 what Padamchen here is very true, i'm sunni of Persian shia background and i noticed that VERY OFTEN, though today what Iranians are following is an Arab religion, they have blended it with Persian nationalism on various angles to such an extent that some Arabs derogatorily call them Magians

Okay here is a curve ball for you...Do you think Shiaism is an oblique way of expressing Persian rebellion against Arab dominance? The way Ali (may his memories be cherished) is depicted in Iranian Art and murals, you might as well think he was a recent revolutionary Iranian poet who was martyred by some fascist oppressor.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

Okay here is a curve ball for you...Do you think Shiaism is an oblique way of expressing Persian rebellion against Arab dominance? The way Ali (may his memories be cherished) is depicted in Iranian Art and murals, you might as well think he was a recent revolutionary Iranian poet who was martyred by some fascist oppressor.

Inherently yes, they do have a grudge against Arab invasions and Shi'ism at it's core despises those same warriors who led those invasions such as Khalid ibn Walid, and Abu Bakr the Caliph of the time

 

[padamchen]

Inherently yes, they do have a grudge against Arab invasions and Shi'ism at it's core despises those same warriors who led those invasions such as Khalid ibn Walid, and Abu Bakr the Caliph of the time

Grudge is one word you could use, yes.

I wouldn't, but you could.

I miss @I.R.A man. The nasty fellow is sitting on his Arab stallion acting high and mighty.

 

[padamchen]

On the Throne of Mithra I sit, with Spectre in my right hand... Rubbies to my left.... The Crown shines in the Flame...​

I have slain The Bull Young Magi @padamchen old friend... yet you don't name my Crown... Magi you said?

I wonder....

The Bull I have slain!

Nice to see you thanking the abusive post above.

Certain older faiths have the class not to do the same.

Think on that "old friend"

Scratch the surface.

 

[padamchen]

Back to the matter at hand then....

Not your fault old friend ....

 

[padamchen]

I posed the question, My dear Watson!

Do decipher it...should the mood be upon you.... otherwise, good old days as always...

You be good!

Mangus

All questions are satisfactorily answered now old friend.

We were born to be good.

We walk on the path of ASHA.

Of the one true God .

The one Truth.

The only Truth.

Humata

Hukata

Hvrshta

Ushta te old friend.

 

[padamchen]

My dear Watson,

That is surface reality.... and only cover a singular element if that...

I though the Allegory would be enough for a Magi ... to understand the Code within... but I guess...

I never insulted your intelligence...am not going to do now....

All asked was the First Gate Ritual meaning....but i do respect if you ......

No worries!

Mangus

I am a direct descendant of the Magi.

Our Prophet was a Magus

You liked a post which says we are scum.

The same has been reported to the PDF administration but still stands.

The rules about insult to religion obviously are only for Islam and it's Arab prophet.

Please excuse me for not having any interest in your weird games anymore dude.

Take care.

 

[Hamza913]

There is a short answer to this and a very long debate, but I'll take the middle road and give you some background perspective to the relationship between the Zoroastrian communities in India and Iran since they separated 1300 years ago.

Till around the 15th century, the Iranian priesthood were the seniors, and Parsis were the junior priests. Iranian priests set the path which the Parsi community in India followed.

From the 15th to the 18th century things became really tough for the Priests in Iran. They realized that to survive both the remaining atash and mobed families in Iran would now need to be moved to India.

That is why now of the 9 main Atash Behram fires, 8 are in India and only one survives in Yezd.

Of the 8 in India, 7 were moved between the 16th and 18th centuries to Bombay. The original one we came with surviving in Udvada, as the Iran Shah.

The treatise of the Parsis in India was written by an Indian head priest (Dastur) in the 16th century. Called the Qissa-i-Sanjan.

Between the 15th and the 18th centuries there were a series of 19 theological epistles, called Rivayats, written between our priests in Iran and India, on matters of the religion and rituals and customs, as things wound up in Iran and the senior arm moved to India.

the Indian clergy now is the head clergy of Zoroastrians worldwide. And the mobeds in Iran take their direction from our Dasturs. The senior Vada Dasturji of Udvada being somewhat equivalent to the Pope. It usually being a hereditary position shared between the 4 main Dastur families that migrated to India 1300 years ago (all Indian dasturs, including me, trace our lineage to those 4 clans).

Mobeds in Iran know well who practising Zoroastrians are, even if they live as Muslims there.

Apostasy is punishable by death in Iran.

From what we are hearing now, even the suspicion of being Zoroastrian is leading to the authorities sealing and taking over properties of Iranians. Its not a good situation, and things are slowly coming to a head there ....

Either way, Indian Parsi priesthood is firmly against conversion.

Some senior priests are beginning to speak about reversion of Persian Iranian Muslims elsewhere in the world.

Priests outside India are way more open to that.

Priests in Iran cannot do anything. They are in survival mode. I meet many of them here and elsewhere regularly. Though internet is very dicey for them ...

All the Kurdish converts are being converted by Indian Parsi priests. And some Iranian expat priests. And there are many Kurds who are being trained in the rituals. But can never become priests unless the direct lineage to ancient Magi laws of the faith are amended or twisted in some way.

The risk here as many Iranians like @Cthulhu will tell you, and I agree with him, is of Kurds breaking away when they have something of a critical mass and starting another sect of Zoroastrianism that is at loggerheads with the Persian one.

Something like your Sunnis and Shias.

Its going to be a fine balance as we drive forward for our homeland ...

Does that answer your doubt?

It wasn't really a question, but I appreciate the information never the less.

 

[padamchen]

It wasn't really a question, but I appreciate the information never the less.

It was a statement that could be read different ways without the necessary contextual perspective.

As a Zoroastrian it's my duty to provide that.

You're most welcome.

 

[Nilgiri]

There is no grudge.

Only the past.

Present.

And the future

Appreciated a lot of your replies here. Some of them did remind me of:


HE is here.

Obi-Wan Kenobi? What makes you think so?

A tremor in the Force. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.

Surely he must be dead by now.

Don't underestimate the Force.

The Jedi are extinct. Their fire is gone out of the universe. You my friend is all that's left of their religion.

*Emergency alert in detention block*

Put all sections on alert!

Obi Wan IS here....the force is with him.

If you are right, he must not be allowed to escape!

Escape is not his plan, I must face him alone.

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Few understand wars of faith like those that have the longest and greatest histories but smallest numbers today. It is everything in their being for them...the reclamation the only thing of final consequence and destiny...for something is the spark in them that they exist and persist at all today...and inculcate what was lost and what must be gained to their youngest and dearest.

You already know the others simply cannot know what it is like. We have all grown too used to too much of us going about our own way, there is simply not much real void at all.

But we Indians will be there to help as you see fit for it...we owe much to your kind....be they a Tata, Manekshaw or Bhaba. The debt will be repaid when the time is right. Only peer civilizations rooted to their own local culture and geography can truly understand this. Waste of time with all else.

 

[KAL-EL]

My dad back in the day had a Mazda RX7

Now that’s a sweet looking ride

 

[Nilgiri]

My dad back in the day had a Mazda RX7

Now that’s a sweet looking ride

with the wankel engine?

 

[KAL-EL]

with the wankel engine?

I’m probably wrong but I think it had the rotary engine.