What Is Zoroastrianism? and what do they have to do with Mazda car company?

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd ...

Doc, i would love to indulge in this but i refuse to be "judged" by an Agnostic.

Would take an Atheist over an Agnostic any day

 

[Sine Nomine]

I don't want to press this issue. U know this thread will be shut.

I know what I can say without getting banned.

I know what if I say will at a minimum have the post deleted.

Zarathustra was not just ANY Prophet.

He was the FIRST.

Zoroastrianism was not a minor regional religion.

It was a world religion spanning Africa to Asia to Europe to China.

It was THE dominant religion of most of the civilized world. Across three empires. Over 1500 years. 500 if them in Rome.

Including holding sway over all of Arabia for over 2000 years.

So if you're intelligent, if you know Arabs and Persians, I'll ask you again.

Why is there zero mention of Zarathustra in the Quran?

Did God forget his first Prophet?

Or did His message change?

@El Sidd ...

I have said earlier,it once wasn't bound to Persia alone and who knows he has been mentioned with some other name,and with due respect the one who is only worthy of worship never forgets anything it's something for mortals.
Why it isn't clearly mentioned i can't say but few scholars have pointed him being part of long chain of prophets and i do believe.
Periods.

 

[padamchen]

He was the first according to your theology and tradition, not ours.

Either way why does he need to he mentioned? I think Bilal and Sine are being too kind by even considering it as we can't even be sure about his historicity nor about the authenticity about the sayings attributed to him though i must say the teachings are very inspiring

Sure.

You might have a point.

I have said earlier,it once wasn't bound to Persia alone and who knows he has been mentioned with some other name,and with due respect the one who is only worthy of worship never forgets anything it's something for mortals.
Why it isn't clearly mentioned i can't say but few scholars have pointed him being part of long chain of prophets and i do believe.
Periods.

You continue to maybe have a point as well.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

I wonder whether Zarathustra had a Bactrian camel as his steed...since Ustra may also mean Camel

I think it could be metaphorical, Jesus was called the good shepherd and often talked about gathering and guiding sheeps (believers)

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/zoroaster-i-the-name

Hopefully you understood what i meant, probably i wasn't clear enough...the article mentions

"A second interpretation starts from the verbal *zarat- “moving, driving” (cf. Av. zarš “to drag,” Bailey, 1953, pp. 36–42), and suggests “who is driving (i.e., can manage) camels” or “who is fostering/cherishing camels.” A third takes the verbal *zarat- “desiring, longing for” (cf. Ved. har “to like” and, despite its ambiguity, OAv. zara-), and give the meaning “who is longing for camels.”"

That's why i think it might be metaphorical

 

[Sine Nomine]

You continue to maybe have a point as well.

I understand your grudge very well but we live in a dynamic world,it's always changing the one who is only worthy of Worship never consults those he made and they are just ultramicro part of his Infinite Empire spanning in infinite directions.

Cheers Doc

 

[padamchen]

I understand your grudge very well but we live in a dynamic world,it's always changing the one who is only worthy of Worship never consults those he made and they are just ultramicro part of his Infinite Empire spanning in infinite directions.

Cheers Doc

There is no grudge.

Only the past.

Present.

And the future

I understand your grudge very well but we live in a dynamic world,it's always changing the one who is only worthy of Worship never consults those he made and they are just ultramicro part of his Infinite Empire spanning in infinite directions.

Cheers Doc

@Sine Nomine

Most subcontinental Muslims (maybe as you ...) make the false connection that Parsis don't like Muslims.

Or we have a grudge against them.

Wrong.

We only want our soil and blood back.

We don't care about yours.

The three pillars of a civilization are

Blood

Faith

Soil

We kept one alive.

For the other two.

When the time comes.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Most subcontinental Muslims (maybe as you ...) make the false connection that Parsis don't like Muslims.

Or we have a grudge against them.

Wrong.

We only want our soil and blood back.

We don't care about yours.

The three pillars of a civilization are

Blood

Faith

Soil

We kept one alive.

For the other two.

When the time comes.

Well what you say taking back,it means loss a for us.I agree with you about civilisation part but your people won't be coming back,few things i would say,numbers don't support(Iran still is largest home of yours with Mullahs not showing true number which i suspect are higher than one can think) modern world which is eating those detached from their communities fast,scattered population in world and acute lack political will.
I have sympathy for you since at one point your ancestors were long time ago neighbours of mine,and i would suggest you taking a Jewish path minus bloodbath.

 

[padamchen]

Well what you say taking back,it means loss a for us.I agree with you about civilisation part but your people won't be coming back,few things i would say,numbers don't support(Iran still is largest home of yours with Mullahs not showing true number which i suspect are higher than one can think) modern world which is eating those detached from their communities fast,scattered population in world and acute lack political will.
I have sympathy for you since at one point your ancestors were long time ago neighbours of mine,and i would suggest you taking a Jewish path minus bloodbath.

What I'm trying to tell you is the Mazdayasni world view.

You looking at things on our land, among our people, as a Muslim thru the prism of Islam is understandable but means nothing to us.

Or I suspect the majority of Shia Iranians.

It's an old fight.

One which predates your ancestors becoming Muslim in the first place.

Or Islam being brought to you by our converts.

And it's a fight that literally started in the moment of Islam's first and biggest triumph.

And as things are pretty clear increasingly it's a fight that's far from over.

There is nothing we need to learn from the Jews. We have always been their teachers.

And those of the infant Christians.

What is birthed from violence can only be defeated by violence.

That is the way of the rise and fall of empires. And will happen once more.

 

[Sine Nomine]

What I'm trying to tell you is the Mazdayasni world view.

You looking at things on our land, among our people, as a Muslim thru the prism of Islam is understandable but means nothing to us.

I am purely viewing it from political aspect.

One which predates your ancestors becoming Muslim in the first place.

Or Islam being brought to you by our converts.

Nodoubt about it.My ancestors were something else before they chose a new faith and i don't disown them,and their relation with Persia pre-dates Persian Empire.

And it's a fight that literally started in the moment of Islam's first and biggest triumph.

It wasn't a fair fight,Islam at that time was under command of those who were no less than being world in themselves.

And as things are pretty clear increasingly it's a fight that's far from over.

It's was over the day 2nd Khalifa visited Persia personally.

There is nothing we need to learn from the Jews. We have always been their teachers.

And those of the infant Christians.

I would disagree here,after being banished from Palestine they kept it's language alive and religion along side keeping community close no other community as Jews did.
Being one of oldest neighbours,i would suggest you to atleast gather whole community at one place an area like Madagascar would be good start,easy to defend from rag tag and rogue elements,it would serve as a base for a long fight back to home.

 

[padamchen]

I am purely viewing it from political aspect.

Nodoubt about it.My ancestors were something else before they chose a new faith and i don't disown them,and their relation with Persia pre-dates Persian Empire.

It wasn't a fair fight,Islam at that time was under command of those who were no less than being world in themselves.

It's was over the day 2nd Khalifa visited Persia personally.

I would disagree here,after being banished from Palestine they kept it's language alive and religion along side keeping community close no other community as Jews did.
Being one of oldest neighbours,i would suggest you to atleast gather whole community at one place an area like Madagascar would be good start,easy to defend from rag tag and rogue elements,it would serve as a base for a long fight back to home.

We've chosen Iraq instead. That will be our staging point.

And the Mullas and Turks are acutely aware of it.

As are our Arab friends ....

The whole world is fighting there.

Remember how Israel was born.

We are acutely aware about your exhortation to avoid bloodshed. Which is why Iran remains untouched. And will remain untouched.

We will never cause bloodshed among our own people.

They will wake up on their own.

And we will be there waiting for them.

 

[Sine Nomine]

We've chosen Iraq instead. That will be our staging point.

And the Mullas and Turks are acutely aware of it.

As are our Arab friends ....

The whole world is fighting there.

Remember how Israel was born.

You are betting on Yazidis they are your lost kins and have got numbers,Turks and Arabs may be would like you as neighbours instead of Mullahs.
An island still remains a better option.

 

[padamchen]

You are betting on Yazidis they are your lost kins and have got numbers,Turks and Arabs may be would like you as neighbours instead of Mullahs.
An island still remains a better option.

We are reverting our cousins the Kurds.

The Yazidi are not a military force. They are fir the large part on the fringes, of the Turks and the Iranians as well.as the mountain Kurds.

We have the holy Atash burning on our holy land for the first time since the birth of Islam.

There are 40 million stateless Kurds. With faith.

There are 60 million Persians. With a state.

I'll leave the obvious unsaid.

 

[Sine Nomine]

We are reverting our cousins the Kurds.

The Yazidi are not a military force. They are fir the large part on the fringes, of the Turks and the Iranians as well.as the mountain Kurds.

Let's see.

 

[padamchen]

Let's see.

I'm watching this fairytale for the second time.

Romanticization of a genocide.

The Ottoman Lieutenant.

Have you seen it? You should.

It's remarkably easy to purge a land of a faith.

Humans have the template down pat.

Modern civilization is nothing but a facade. At our core we have not changed for 5000 years.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I'm watching this fairytale for the second time.

Romanticization of a genocide.

The Ottoman Lieutenant.

Have you seen it? You should.

It's remarkably easy to purge a land of a faith.

Humans have the template down pat.

Modern civilization is nothing but a facade. At our core we have not changed for 5000 years.

I would watch it,you are wrong people won't change faith due to force only,sprinkle little bit of hunger over it.