What Is Zoroastrianism? and what do they have to do with Mazda car company?

[Nilgiri]

I’m probably wrong but I think it had the rotary engine.

yep thats the one then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Wankel_engine

 

[BATMAN]

Did not watch OP video but can confirm Mazda is from company founder name, like so many other japanese car makers:
Mazda= Matsuda
Toyota= Toyoda
Honda= Honda
Suzuki= Suzuki

AhuremZada is the true pronunciation in persian. Where Zada literally means son.

 

[letsrock]

Nice to see you thanking the abusive post above.

Certain older faiths have the class not to do the same.

Think on that "old friend"

Scratch the surface.

Historically magi or magus were never seen in positive light because of the witchcraft and magic they practiced. It is not abuse to criticize people who seem to manipulate masses through skills like that. You can remain extremely proud of your iran race, snide remarks on arabs/islam but immediately go to admin when others speak factual information (not on race , not on religion) but a priveleged and manipulative class of people. Take a good look in mirror. I find your "class" disgusting.

 

[padamchen]

Appreciated a lot of your replies here. Some of them did remind me of:


HE is here.

Obi-Wan Kenobi? What makes you think so?

A tremor in the Force. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.

Surely he must be dead by now.

Don't underestimate the Force.

The Jedi are extinct. Their fire is gone out of the universe. You my friend is all that's left of their religion.

*Emergency alert in detention block*

Put all sections on alert!

Obi Wan IS here....the force is with him.

If you are right, he must not be allowed to escape!

Escape is not his plan, I must face him alone.

========

Few understand wars of faith like those that have the longest and greatest histories but smallest numbers today. It is everything in their being for them...the reclamation the only thing of final consequence and destiny...for something is the spark in them that they exist and persist at all today...and inculcate what was lost and what must be gained to their youngest and dearest.

You already know the others simply cannot know what it is like. We have all grown too used to too much of us going about our own way, there is simply not much real void at all.

But we Indians will be there to help as you see fit for it...we owe much to your kind....be they a Tata, Manekshaw or Bhaba. The debt will be repaid when the time is right. Only peer civilizations rooted to their own local culture and geography can truly understand this. Waste of time with all else.

Beautiful post.

Threads like this reaffirm to any Zoroastrian that his fight is not against people.

Not his own. Not those of his enemies.

Iraq mat well be our staging point now for the war ahead.

But India truly is where we made our last stand.

And personally I must say that we are and always have been different to the Jews.

When the fight is won, and it will be won, you will see a hybrid culture of Parsi and Iranian Zoroastrians across this land in every sphere of society and commerce.

We will not abandon India like the exodus of the Jews to Israel.

For Persians through history, India is the home of our brothers.

Which automatically makes it our home. There is zero doubt in any Parsi mind whether he is on his own land or someone else's.

Never has been for 1300 years.

@Sam.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Appreciated a lot of your replies here. Some of them did remind me of:


HE is here.

Obi-Wan Kenobi? What makes you think so?

A tremor in the Force. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.

Surely he must be dead by now.

Don't underestimate the Force.

The Jedi are extinct. Their fire is gone out of the universe. You my friend is all that's left of their religion.

*Emergency alert in detention block*

Put all sections on alert!

Obi Wan IS here....the force is with him.

If you are right, he must not be allowed to escape!

Escape is not his plan, I must face him alone.

========

Few understand wars of faith like those that have the longest and greatest histories but smallest numbers today. It is everything in their being for them...the reclamation the only thing of final consequence and destiny...for something is the spark in them that they exist and persist at all today...and inculcate what was lost and what must be gained to their youngest and dearest.

You already know the others simply cannot know what it is like. We have all grown too used to too much of us going about our own way, there is simply not much real void at all.

But we Indians will be there to help as you see fit for it...we owe much to your kind....be they a Tata, Manekshaw or Bhaba. The debt will be repaid when the time is right. Only peer civilizations rooted to their own local culture and geography can truly understand this. Waste of time with all else.

I am not crying..............you are!! *sobs

 

[letsrock]

Beautiful post.

Threads like this reaffirm to any Zoroastrian that his fight is not against people.

Not his own. Not those of his enemies.

Iraq mat well be our staging point now for the war ahead.

But India truly is where we made our last stand.

And personally I must say that we are and always have been different to the Jews.

When the fight is won, and it will be won, you will see a hybrid culture of Parsi and Iranian Zoroastrians across this land in every sphere of society and commerce.

We will not abandon India like the exodus of the Jews to Israel.

For Persians through history, India is the home of our brothers.

Which automatically makes it our home. There is zero doubt in any Parsi mind whether he is on his own land or someone else's.

Never has been for 1300 years.

@Sam.

This "racially proud" (his words not mine) magi or descendent of magi (again his claim) is calling Indians as "brothers". Well in a way his love of india and love of his race is understandable. He has much to be thankful for both. Parsi thanks to their fair skin in race obsessed india never faced discrimination that people from asian (chinki) or african immigrant indians faced. Parsis shamelessly took advantage of it. They formed the closest alliances with colonial british and wholesalely participated in exploitation of indians along with brahmins (his "brothers" after all).

British had a vested interest in promoting fairer people to maintain racial heirarchy. In fact they were so obsessed with it that they even banned russian and ukrainian prostitutes in mumbai from serving indian clients just in case they get "ideas".

Today this tiny community in india is rich beyond anyone's imaginations. their tatas and wadias have full access to brahmins in corridors of power. All of their problems such as declining population are directly correlated to their notions of racial purity which might embarass even brahmins. Now the dirt poor indian government is spending 10 crores on this mega rich fair skinned community for fertility treatment.

Any surprise this man loves his race and indian "brothers".

 

[padamchen]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indias-vanishing-parsis.205630/

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 you might learn some more here by these other Parsis @vsdoc and @angeldust

 

[Nilgiri]

Beautiful post.

Threads like this reaffirm to any Zoroastrian that his fight is not against people.

Not his own. Not those of his enemies.

Iraq mat well be our staging point now for the war ahead.

But India truly is where we made our last stand.

And personally I must say that we are and always have been different to the Jews.

When the fight is won, and it will be won, you will see a hybrid culture of Parsi and Iranian Zoroastrians across this land in every sphere of society and commerce.

We will not abandon India like the exodus of the Jews to Israel.

For Persians through history, India is the home of our brothers.

Which automatically makes it our home. There is zero doubt in any Parsi mind whether he is on his own land or someone else's.

Never has been for 1300 years.

@Sam.

You will be a bridge is the way I see it.

Comparison with jews is often made, but actions of Titus/Vespasian dispersed them (into many many other nations) but did not seek to convert them to a new faith.

This means the jewish prophecies downstream are interpreted quite differently by their own groups (as to say whether the state of Israel can only be founded by their still-to-come messiah, and what interpretation of a "state"/"nation" etc etc is regarding that). Much like why they were two kingdoms soon after Solomon's tenure (and building/consecration of their temple)....and always an uneasy tension or open conflict with the tribes of people around them during those times intrinsically. (I have studied this and the historicity quite deeply)

There is no similar severe dissonance within the fold of Zoroastrianism (before or now), because it was a mighty empire (3 of them notably) and had a commensurate structure for its religious and philosophical establishment. You likely know the story of Cyrus w.r.t jews (during their first destruction+dispersal + interregnum) much better than I do anyway....and why he is the only gentile given such status by the Jews.

Thus I find the cause fundamentally different, they lost the soil but kept the faith (the blood ties are heated argument, but its to be expected given the sheer level of dispersion)....which is different in your case...since you kept the soil, but the people's faith was turned (but blood ties are not really in question).

Rest of conversation will get me in trouble...so I will leave it there.

 

[padamchen]

You will be a bridge is the way I see it.

Comparison with jews is often made, but actions of Titus/Vespasian dispersed them (into many many other nations) but did not seek to convert them to a new faith.

This means the jewish prophecies downstream are interpreted quite differently by their own groups (as to say whether the state of Israel can only be founded by their still-to-come messiah, and what interpretation of a "state"/"nation" etc etc is regarding that). Much like why they were two kingdoms soon after Solomon's tenure (and building/consecration of their temple)....and always an uneasy tension or open conflict with the tribes of people around them during those times intrinsically. (I have studied this and the historicity quite deeply)

There is no similar severe dissonance within the fold of Zoroastrianism (before or now), because it was a mighty empire (3 of them notably) and had a commensurate structure for its religious and philosophical establishment. You likely know the story of Cyrus w.r.t jews (during their first destruction+dispersal + interregnum) much better than I do anyway....and why he is the only gentile given such status by the Jews.

Thus I find the cause fundamentally different, they lost the soil but kept the faith (the blood ties are heated argument, but its to be expected given the sheer level of dispersion)....which is different in your case...since you kept the soil, but the people's faith was turned (but blood ties are not really in question).

Rest of conversation will get me in trouble...so I will leave it there.

The way I see it, we have both the soil and the faith.

They are just apart till and for now.

 

[I.R.A]

There is a reason I don't discuss Zoroastrianism on PDF.

I have had long long long discussions with hostile Hindus on Indian forums which have banned me permanently.

Over here there is only one Muslim who I consider my equal ... no offense to the others.

@I.R.A

It is what it is ...

Thank you. I am honored. I won't shy away from accepting that I have learnt to a great extent about "fake religions representing themselves as Islam" from you, you helped remove the doubts I had ....... . Astonishing that I would have such frank and open discussions with not one of my own but a blood enemy

Before I go on to post and address you further , it is necessary for me to clearly mention that following discussion is for your's and mine eyes only. I don't intend to offend anyone else.

Grudge is one word you could use, yes.

I wouldn't, but you could.

I miss @I.R.A man. The nasty fellow is sitting on his Arab stallion acting high and mighty.

No pride ever. Arrogance is what cost you your empire. Had you been humble and kind to your people, we may have ended up being good neighbors. Remember. We never wanted your lands, it was never about the land.

If we had wanted your lands, believe me buddy this business of sectarianism in Islam wouldn't be thriving, all those fake Islamic sites (which actually are Zoroastrian sites) would have been demolished in the first place to completely wipe any trace and link to Zoroastrianism.

Blame your own people .......... they devised a nasty plan where they not only polluted their own identity but true message of Islam.

Actually you know what ........ I would simply call them cowards, instead showing this cowardice of creating a parallel religion,"if it ever was an invasion for a forceful conversion" they should have fought and died. But in reality their actions are those of liars, hypocrites and cowards.

And you my friend think that these cowards will bring you the lost glory, the lost land. At least you remained true to your faith and left. But them ......... well.

Why is Zarathustra not mentioned in the Quran?

Did God forget his first Prophet?

Or did His message change?

He was the FIRST.

There is no place for clergy in true Islam. And all you have is accounts of clerics, priests. Islam on the other hand was anti emperors / kings, clergy and capitalism.

You survive because of your clergy, they write and feed you whatever they wish is correct according to them.

This is an old complain "why Zarathustra is not mentioned in Quran? The answer to this is very simple are you willing to read and understand Quran?

It took many many years to select Adam .......... you have men written historic accounts as your source of what? few thousand years?

And you and I know very well how these men written historic accounts of religion ...... peddle fairy tales that have nothing to do with actual reality. I can vouch that your people did a very good job writing traditions and stories for Muslims ..... but all that to me is something a coward would do.

If you believe in One God, and are humble and nice to others ......... we have no fight. You can continue your way freely and openly ...... but you should never blame us ........... it were and are your own people who created all this.

 

[padamchen]

Thank you. I am honored. I won't shy away from accepting that I have learnt to a great extent about "fake religions representing themselves as Islam" from you, you helped remove the doubts I had ....... . Astonishing that I would have such frank and open discussions with not one of my own but a blood enemy

Before I go on to post and address you further , it is necessary for me to clearly mention that following discussion is for your's and mine eyes only. I don't intend to offend anyone else.




No pride ever. Arrogance is what cost you your empire. Had you been humble and kind to your people, we may have ended up being good neighbors. Remember. We never wanted your lands, it was never about the land.

If we had wanted your lands, believe me buddy this business of sectarianism in Islam wouldn't be thriving, all those fake Islamic sites (which actually are Zoroastrian sites) would have been demolished in the first place to completely wipe any trace and link to Zoroastrianism.

Blame your own people .......... they devised a nasty plan where they not only polluted their own identity but true message of Islam.

Actually you know what ........ I would simply call them cowards, instead showing this cowardice of creating a parallel religion,"if it ever was an invasion for a forceful conversion" they should have fought and died. But in reality their actions are those of liars, hypocrites and cowards.

And you my friend think that these cowards will bring you the lost glory, the lost land. At least you remained true to your faith and left. But them ......... well.









There is no place for clergy in true Islam. And all you have is accounts of clerics, priests. Islam on the other hand was anti emperors / kings, clergy and capitalism.

You survive because of your clergy, they write and feed you whatever they wish is correct according to them.

This is an old complain "why Zarathustra is not mentioned in Quran? The answer to this is very simple are you willing to read and understand Quran?

It took many many years to select Adam .......... you have men written historic accounts as your source of what? few thousand years?

And you and I know very well how these men written historic accounts of religion ...... peddle fairy tales that have nothing to do with actual reality. I can vouch that your people did a very good job writing traditions and stories for Muslims ..... but all that to me is something a coward would do.

If you believe in One God, and are humble and nice to others ......... we have no fight. You can continue your way freely and openly ...... but you should never blame us ........... it were and are your own people who created all this.

The respect is very mutual I.

A number of jahils here who abuse Zoroastrianism do not realise that it's only you and the fact you read here and not a ban that now stops me from speaking my own mind about Islam.

Yes blood enemies sure. In another time and place.

For us we have only one destiny now that drives us.

We want our blood and soil back.

We want to start breeding Parsi boys with Irani girls. Irani boys with Parsi girls.

Zoroastrianism needs to guide the Persian race once more.

Neither they nor us will forget easily the past.

What started as a rebellion and multi coups against royalty and clergy, eventually culminated after 300 years into exhaustion and conversion of the common man who fought till the end.

The Behdin.

The Arhornan (us) did what we could to save the faith and it's traditions and our holy fire.

But when it became clear that there was no going back, India became a strategic retreat.

It's not like our fight ended in India, as our history of 1300 years shows.

The story of the Parsis and Hindus will be remembered and spoken of in the future as we talk of the Jews and Israel today.

This is the only thing which interests me on forums away from what I do increasingly in the real world with my private and personal time.

The clash of civilizations.

Of faiths.

Ideas.

I ignite. I incite. Wherever I go. Whichever platform. Whoever I meet.

I've essentially without realising it over the past 15 years, slowly morphed from a very wild bohemian young man

To a radical firebrand cleric. Or ideologue if cleric offends you (though I am a born Magi ... albeit a non practicing Osta and not a learned Ervad).

Stick around ...

 

[I.R.A]

A number of jahils here who abuse Zoroastrianism do not realise that it's only you and the fact you read here and not a ban who stops me from speaking my own mind about Islam.

As I said your fight should not be against Islam. If there are any grievances or anger ....... that should be directed at people you call your people.

A simple example to prove my point, the video in op mentions of a bridge, the good people will pass and enter heaven and bad people will fall and drop into hell.

Now you may find something similar propagated in Muslims, to be accurate they call it "Pull e sirat" or "Sirat bridge". Evil doers will find difficulty passing it and good souls will pass like bullet trains.

Where did this similarity come from? Is it mentioned in Quran? ...... No

Is it in men written traditions? .................. Yes

The similarities you talk about and you calling Islam an extension of Zoroastrianism ..... is true, but false as well. If current day Zoroastrianism is men made then all the similarities are men introduced. Its all fake and not divine.

I have no doubt (not to offend you or anyone else) the actual Divine message would be same, but Quran being the final refined forever message.

For us we have only one destiny now that drives us.

We want our blood and soil back.

We want to start breeding Parsi boys with Irani girls. Irani boys with Parsi girls.

Zoroastrianism needs to guide the Persian race once more.

I have no issues with it, infact I would want this to happen. I want an open admission. To end this confusion.

The Arhornan (us) did what we could to save the faith and it's traditions and our holy fire.

But when it became clear that there was no going back, India became a strategic retreat.

It's not like our fight ended in India, as our history of 1300 years shows.

I have no issues with it, your forefathers did what they thought was necessary in their opinion and view. Though it is a historic fact that even your baby king wasn't killed at the hands of Muslims ... but a Persian peasant.

My issues is what you did later, that was not noble. You wanted your lands back, then you should have come back and fought in the battlefield. Falsifying and creating parallel religions only proves acts of cowards ........ the Clergy felt threatened by something that was so pure and easy to understand by a common person, that they would break free of clergy's crutches. Nobody wants to lose the position of power and authority over common gullible masses. You in your hate created division, Mullahism, fairy tales, backward practices and rituals and superstitious minds. You are fighting against the evil you created.

 

[padamchen]

As I said your fight should not be against Islam. If there are any grievances or anger ....... that should be directed at people you call your people.

A simple example to prove my point, the video in op mentions of a bridge, the good people will pass and enter heaven and bad people will fall and drop into hell.

Now you may find something similar propagated in Muslims, to be accurate they call it "Pull e sirat" or "Sirat bridge". Evil doers will find difficulty passing it and good souls will pass like bullet trains.

Where did this similarity come from? Is it mentioned in Quran? ...... No

Is it in men written traditions? .................. Yes

The similarities you talk about and you calling Islam an extension of Zoroastrianism ..... is true, but false as well. If current day Zoroastrianism is men made then all the similarities are men introduced. Its all fake and not divine.

I have no doubt (not to offend you or anyone else) the actual Divine message would be same, but Quran being the final refined forever message.





I have no issues with it, infact I would want this to happen. I want an open admission. To end this confusion.





I have no issues with it, your forefathers did what they thought was necessary in their opinion and view. Though it is a historic fact that even your baby king wasn't killed at the hands of Muslims ... but a Persian peasant.

My issues is what you did later, that was not noble. You wanted your lands back, then you should have come back and fought in the battlefield. Falsifying and creating parallel religions only proves acts of cowards ........ the Clergy felt threatened by something that was so pure and easy to understand by a common person, that they would break free of clergy's crutches. Nobody wants to lose the position of power and authority over common gullible masses. You in your hate created division, Mullahism, fairy tales, backward practices and rituals and superstitious minds. You are fighting against the evil you created.

I've told you before I.

This is an old fight and it's not over.

If attacking an empire in strife and exhaustion from thousands of years of non stop war, led by a 10 year old boy was noble.

If butchering of priests and defilement of fire temples and spitting into the fire and burning of texts was noble.

If spinning tales of black magic and dark arts and evil emperors and priests separated from the oppressed Behdin was noble.

Then everything that followed from there as fightback was also justified.

It is a war between two races.

Do you see the absurdity in hating a race but loving their Prophet, following his teachings, and bastardizing your ancient script, even changing the name of your God?

Iranis still follow Ahura Mazda. And call Him Allah.

We have no tolerance for this.

But it is the narrative that was woven and in which they and the rest of the Shia world find themselves ensnared in.

As I said, in its moment of greatest triumph, Islam sowed the seed of its split and ultimate defeat.

I still remember a brilliant insight of yours which I am forever grateful for, because I've shared it with so many Parsis and Iranis and recently Kurds and some Tajiks as well.

You said there was some important early Muslim leader who had lamented that the biggest mistake Islam made was not to separate itself from Iran by a wall or a ring of eternal fire.

The mind boggles.

Your people knew at that time, in the late 600s, what was to come in the centuries to follow.

Ushta te bro.

 

[I.R.A]

I still remember a brilliant insight if yours which I am forever grateful for, because I've shared it with do many Parsis and Iranis and recently Kurds and some Tajiks as well.

You said there was some important early Muslim leader who had lamented that the biggest mistake Islam made was not to separate itself from Iran by a wall or a ring of eternal fire.

The mind boggles.

Your people knew at that time, in the late 600s, what was to come in the centuries bro follow.

That was Hazrat Umer, the Caliph who you forced to invade current day Iran.

You blame us ..... oh the irony.

If attacking an empire in strife and exhaustion from thousands of years of non stop war, led by a 10 year old boy was noble.

Ask them then how did they manage to marry a Persian princess (daughter of that ten year old) to a renowned Islamic personality Hazrat Hussain (the grandson of Messenger peace be upon him).

If attacking an empire in strife and exhaustion from thousands of years of non stop war,

You wouldn't quit the war so why blame us for bringing peace and stability for people.

The empire was exploiting its common people, had it not been the case no power could have undo your empire.

Do you see the absurdity in hating a race but loving their Prophet, following his teachings, and bastardizing your ancient script, even changing the name of your God?

Iranis still follow Ahura Mazda. And call Him Allah.

We have no tolerance for this.

When I say your anger should be directed at people who deserve this and not Islam, I do so because it is so apparent where and how it started. As I said above, take it up with them how they managed a ten year old producing a princess young enough to marry an Islamic figure of that time? I don't believe any of the men made fairy tales but Quran only.

We may have a common problem facing us.

ALLAH has no issues with any good name you chose to call HIM. And its not my domain to say anything about it. People can chose and answer themselves ..... only thing that matters is belief in oneness.

 

[padamchen]

That was Hazrat Umer, the Caliph who you forced to invade current day Iran.

You blame us ..... oh the irony.



Ask them then how did they manage to marry a Persian princess (daughter of that ten year old) to a renowned Islamic personality Hazrat Hussain (the grandson of Messenger peace be upon him).



You wouldn't quit the war so why blame us for bringing peace and stability for people.

The empire was exploiting its common people, had it not been the case no power could have undo your empire.



When I say your anger should be directed at people who deserve this and not Islam, I do so because it is so apparent where and how it started. As I said above, take it up with them how they managed a ten year old producing a princess young enough to marry an Islamic figure of that time? I don't believe any of the men made fairy tales but Quran only.

We may have a common problem facing us.

ALLAH has no issues with any good name you chose to call HIM. And its not my domain to say anything about it. People can chose and answer themselves ..... only thing that matters is belief in oneness.

Yezdgir was 10 during the first attack.

He was killed a lot later.

His sons and royal family fled to China, where they set up court in exile.

This is all open history.

Arab rule and presence in Iran lasted about 50 years. Barely two generations.

It takes most lay Parsis a long time to come to terms (if they ever read and question and do ... many do not) with who they fled Iran from and why.

While they've lived through 1300 years of exactly the same among their adopted people and land.

Sometimes the obvious which stares you in the face is simply not convenient or acceptable.

Not for me.

I'm brutally honest. And fair. In both my love and my hate.

But part of being Zoroastrian is to forgive.

And if not us, then who?

That's the question every Parsi grows up with.

We tend more than just the physical flame.

The sukhad lies elsewhere. Waiting. Confused. Battered.