What is the problem of Muslim world?

[AlpErTunga]

As everyone knows, the major problem of Muslim civilization is that Muslim world could not see the coming and passing of Enlightenment Age and European Reform. While the strongest empires were muslim once upon a time; from 1600s to 1900s there were no independent Muslim country except Old Turkiye. And even the independence of Old Turkiye (Ottoman Empire) was disscussable. So the darkness of current Muslim world should be solved with understanding things which we did not understand in the past.

Firstly remember the Crusades and their age, time. European civilization calls this Medieval Age as "Age of Darkness"... In other words Crusades has contributed nothing except a few temporary things. But Eastern civilization was supreme in Medieval Age and could be able to beaten the Crusades... Then Ottoman Empire carried the Muslim culture from Medieval Age to Modern Age. It is important to remember that civilization is dynamic and things really changed. Europeans used these things to prepeare the Enlightenment Revolutions, but Muslim world (including the Ottoman Empire) remained static. Because Muslims were strong, Muslims were faithful, blah blah... Then sad to say in a couple decades an avarage European island country could be able to direct Muslim world as far as Pakistan and India (the Babur Empire)...

My words are for brothers who see the jihad as only solution. I want to remember that Ottoman caliphes never called the Jihad but in WW1, however no muslim country didn't or couldn't join any Jihad... On the contrary our Arabic "brothers" founded an alliance with Britain and fought against the Ottoman Empire, the state of the caliph.

Man learns to walk firstly, then when he comes to the age he can fight... So firstly Muslim countries have to gain their national character and their love of national independence. After that, this coming of age can change things again for some people.

 

[EagleEyes]

You have put your words quite outstandingly. It makes much more sense. Has the Ottoman Empire still standing today. The stability and power currently been holding today would have been much different. However, there is something that still hasn't change is unity among the Muslim countries. Its up to the status of basically "nothing", trade, defense pacts can be done even with the other countries today. I dont know how you believe (or the Turkish majority) as far as attacks and changing of the government in different muslim lands. I do would like to hear that point of view.

 

[Neo]

Interesting tread mate, there's much to be said about the problems of muslim world.
lets discuss the enlightment first, how does it fit with the Islamic views and the Holy Quran?

 

[kidwaibhai]

ok first of all i have a little problem when people say that there is a muslim civilization. There were civilization who were muslim but there wasnt one unified muslim empire. lets take the mughal empire it existed around the same time as the ottaman empire so who among these two would be regarded as the true muslim empire? if both of them were muslim civilizations then how we then discuss the muslim civilization as one big entity?
i would very much like to hear from other members of this forum on this particular topic because this has always confused me.

 

[AlpErTunga]

You have put your words quite outstandingly. It makes much more sense. Has the Ottoman Empire still standing today. The stability and power currently been holding today would have been much different. However, there is something that still hasn't change is unity among the Muslim countries. Its up to the status of basically "nothing", trade, defense pacts can be done even with the other countries today. I dont know how you believe (or the Turkish majority) as far as attacks and changing of the government in different muslim lands. I do would like to hear that point of view.

Also there is really lack of unity among the Muslim countries. For example Turkiye interfered to genocide which is commited by Greeks to Cypriot Turks. And a new Turkish state was founded on Cyprus island. But only Turkiye recognized her and Turkiye stood alone against to European supporters of Greece. No muslim country could show the "bravery" of recognazing this Turkish state which has a muslim nation.

Maybe more worse of that; no Muslim country could interfered to Iraq. We should realize the issues about states, from national spectrum. This is the base of secularism. But no other Arabic country could infered to Iraq, too. Unity and national enlightenment is so vital here. We have to understand Ataturk as Muslims. He showed 400 year European Enlightenment Movement in 15-20 years to Turkiye. My solution is about mentality but I believe it is the real solution about Muslims and other Eastern nations.

 

[AlpErTunga]

Interesting tread mate, there's much to be said about the problems of muslim world.
lets discuss the enlightment first, how does it fit with the Islamic views and the Holy Quran?

There is a quote from Hz.Ali "If the science is in China, go there...".

There is nothing illogical in our Holy Quran. The thing which adds illocical things to religion is the human, firstly. Happy to say our Holy Quran has never changed, I believe. But sad to say the tradition, mentality and pratic has changed by people. Reforms in Europe started with translation of Holy Bible. This means, people started to be enlightened when they learned their real religion from their Holy Book not from priests or popes. Today still there are people who learns their religion from some imams, sheikhs or anyone. Today still there are people who read Holy Quran in Arabic although they don't understand Arabic...

I believe when Muslims learn their religon from the original source of religion(Holy Quran) in the spiritual atmosphere of their individual hearts, the enlightenment in Muslim world will rise.

 

[ejaz007]

Gentlemen Muslim nations problems are education, lack of proper government systems and lack of dynamic leadership. First we must spend as much as possible on education especially on science and technology. This is the only way forward. Muslims were strong because they were good in education. They had the best militaries of the world due to use of science in building weaponry especially in shipbuilding. The west ultimately learned from Muslims and used their own weapon the science against them. Secondly we don’t have proper government system. There are monarchs, dictators or self-styled democratically elected people on power in Muslim world. The examples are Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE and Morocco where one family is governing for decades and the countries have not progressed reasonably. Then there are dictators in countries like Libya and some other countries. The most dangerous of the leaders are those who claim to be democratically elected but in reality are dictators. The best examples are Egypt, Pakistan and Syria. We as Muslims need to understand that these types of leaderships are not answer to our problems in fact they might be the problem. Leaving Saudi Arabia out because its leadership I personally believe is doing a lot for its people rest of leaderships are not up to the caliber of leading Muslim world. What is the demand of the time is a dynamic leadership such as Salahuddin Ayubi perhaps however we lack this at the moment. A leader with charismatic qualities is needed which is missing at the moment. This is what I believe are our problems and we need to address these to avoid recurrence of what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[alamgir]

todays main problem for muslims in world is lack of knowledge, and main hurdal to achieving knowledge is extrimisam and ultramoderatisms

 

[solid snake]

Our problem is that we mix politics and religion. Pure and simple.

 

[Ababeel]

There is not just a single problem but multiple problems which are the causes of present degraded situation of the Muslim Ummah.
First of all the muslim masses and in turn the large part of muslim countries are controlled by puppet regimes headed by the Anti-Islam or Secularist or Ultra westernised people who are culturally or mentally slaved by the west. Many factors, spread on centuries are responsible for the rise of this kind of leadership throughout the muslim world. One of the main reasons is the systematic elimination of Islamic cultures and Sharia from lands of muslims by the colonial Western powers, systematic growth and appearance of western educated secularist elites, totally unaware of Islamic values, culture and Ideology in the muslim world during the colonial period to take muslim masses away from Islam as much as possible to break the back of Islam and muslim totally, Systematic non existance of democratic system in muslim world so that western supported dictators and kings could control the muslim masses rudely and the masses will not be able to select the govts of their likes, which will be definitely the Islamist in most of the cases if the muslim masses are given the freedom to choose.
Secondly the breaking of Khilafah by big conspiracy to destroy the system of Islamic governance and in turn the unity of Muslim Ummah as nobody can refuse to accept the great advantages available if the Caliphacy would have remained intact. Npbody dare to creat Israel as long as the Institute of Khilafah was intact. Nobody dared to enter or send armies to the Holy lands of Arabia as long as the Khilafah was intact, Nobody dared to divide the Middle East in Nationalist states as long as Khilafah was intact these are just a few examples.
Thirdly U-turn of Muslim Ummah from the leadership status in Science & Technology, which is one of the main reasons of subjugation of the Ummah. Also the decrease in practicing Islamic values and teachings by Muslims individually and as an Ummah were some of the reasons for muslim's subjugation and degradation.

 

[Neo]

There is a quote from Hz.Ali "If the science is in China, go there...".

There is nothing illogical in our Holy Quran. The thing which adds illocical things to religion is the human, firstly. Happy to say our Holy Quran has never changed, I believe. But sad to say the tradition, mentality and pratic has changed by people. Reforms in Europe started with translation of Holy Bible. This means, people started to be enlightened when they learned their real religion from their Holy Book not from priests or popes. Today still there are people who learns their religion from some imams, sheikhs or anyone. Today still there are people who read Holy Quran in Arabic although they don't understand Arabic...

I believe when Muslims learn their religon from the original source of religion(Holy Quran) in the spiritual atmosphere of their individual hearts, the enlightenment in Muslim world will rise.

Nice post mate, I didn't claim that the Book or the religion is illogic, I believe its perfect!

Unfortunately majority of the muslim countries have integrated Islamic views into their culture and society which in most cases has not evolved with times. Enlightment is more than a state of mind, it needs to reform and enrich a culture or society.
Most muslim countries have worse record when it comes to human development or education, thats one of the biggest problems of the Ummah.

 

[AlpErTunga]

There is not just a single problem but multiple problems which are the causes of present degraded situation of the Muslim Ummah.
First of all the muslim masses and in turn the large part of muslim countries are controlled by puppet regimes headed by the Anti-Islam or Secularist or Ultra westernised people who are culturally or mentally slaved by the west. Many factors, spread on centuries are responsible for the rise of this kind of leadership throughout the muslim world. One of the main reasons is the systematic elimination of Islamic cultures and Sharia from lands of muslims by the colonial Western powers, systematic growth and appearance of western educated secularist elites, totally unaware of Islamic values, culture and Ideology in the muslim world during the colonial period to take muslim masses away from Islam as much as possible to break the back of Islam and muslim totally, Systematic non existance of democratic system in muslim world so that western supported dictators and kings could control the muslim masses rudely and the masses will not be able to select the govts of their likes, which will be definitely the Islamist in most of the cases if the muslim masses are given the freedom to choose.
Secondly the breaking of Khilafah by big conspiracy to destroy the system of Islamic governance and in turn the unity of Muslim Ummah as nobody can refuse to accept the great advantages available if the Caliphacy would have remained intact. Npbody dare to creat Israel as long as the Institute of Khilafah was intact. Nobody dared to enter or send armies to the Holy lands of Arabia as long as the Khilafah was intact, Nobody dared to divide the Middle East in Nationalist states as long as Khilafah was intact these are just a few examples.
Thirdly U-turn of Muslim Ummah from the leadership status in Science & Technology, which is one of the main reasons of subjugation of the Ummah. Also the decrease in practicing Islamic values and teachings by Muslims individually and as an Ummah were some of the reasons for muslim's subjugation and degradation.

Mister;

I think it is another fault that expecting an Khalifah or zillulah to help Muslim world. Please make your "national" development with your "national" governments. Or no khalifah can help you... I repeat that so much but our Asian Muslim brothers came to Anatolia with Britain in order to invade the empire of Khalifah, Ottoman Empire while Khalifah was calling Jihad to against them; our Arabic brothers have driven out the Khalifah's Ottoman Empire. My english is poor but I hope I could tell the tragicomedy. They preferred strength to faith. When all Muslim countries gained their national conscious one by one; as the result all Muslim world will have developed and solved their problems.