What is the most brazen thing Pakistan could do to get even with India right now in Kashmir?

[gangsta_rap]

there won't be any war or anything like that lol

 

[Aspen]

there won't be any war or anything like that lol

One week ago, people on here were openly saying that PLA killing Indians was impossible

 

[gangsta_rap]

One week ago, people on here were openly saying that PLA killing Indians was impossible

if pakis or chinese dare to lift a finger the west will hit the panic button. they won't let it go unnoticed and it will result in a situation that china won't exactly be able to cope with

 

[Aspen]

if pakis or chinese dare to lift a finger the west will hit the panic button. they won't let it go unnoticed and it will result in a situation that china won't exactly be able to cope with

West is not gonna get involved in this shitshow because Trump has no appetite for it.

This is probably one of the best times ever for a Chinese-Pakistani offensive in Ladakh.

 

[gangsta_rap]

West is not gonna get involved in this shitshow because Trump has no appetite for it.

This is probably one of the best times ever for a Chinese-Pakistani offensive in Ladakh.

western asia and the mid east is already outside of the west's sphere of influence. it is dominated by iran and turkey and other rogue elements in addition to a heavy russian presence and all these entities have interests that do not align with western powers - as such the west won't tolerate south and east asia to enter such a state politically speaking. if india is taken out of the equation as an regional power it will essentially mean all of mainland asia (apart from pockets like the gulf states, korean peninsula and israel) will be free of any influence from the western powers

nobody will allow that - even the russians will rethink their position if china asserts its power over the continent like this

 

[Genghis khan1]

Send some uger wadi, kater tanti, gus bathae to Ladakh to flare up things .

..and than when China start whooping Bhartis *** in Ladakh, jump in to take over Kashmir.

 

[FuturePAF]

Wisdom says - Hold, Patience is the key to winning Strategically and Tactically.

your right. Obviously, a “brazen move” will satisfy our egos but could put Pakistan in a bad light if it is seen an aggressor.

We should follow the model of China and observe the enemy and bide our time for when the situation plays to our advantage. In reality the most brazen move will not be to act when India needs an excuse to turn national anger at Pakistan.

The title of the thread was asking about a brazen move now, hence the overflight as a show the flag move. Even that is a non-kinetic, psychological option. This was a suggestion before the Indians lost many lives in the June 15th incident.

In reality the incremental buildup to counter India is a brazen move. Just as Pakistan ate grass to build its strategic capabilities, it is eating grass to build up the conventional means (kinetic and non-kinetic), how ever modest, to take on India, or at the very least prevent India from being able to decisively defeat Pakistan, therefore making full fledged war not worth fighting, and only a drain on India’s ability to counter China.

A war of any scale is not in Pakistan’s interest, either but Pakistan now has other options to achieve its objectives of weakening India’s grip on Kashmir. It can exploit the vulnerabilities India is opening up against itself.

West is not gonna get involved in this shitshow because Trump has no appetite for it.

This is probably one of the best times ever for a Chinese-Pakistani offensive in Ladakh.

Also it just came out in John Bolton’s new book that Trump asked Xi in 2019 to buy more soy and wheat from farm states to boost his re-election prospects. (Even if Trump loses re-election, and Biden wins he will have to cut a deal with China to boost the economy) Chinese trade deals matter more to Trump then US-Indian relations. India also recently cancelled arms deals with the US (NASAM air defense system) and that won’t play over well with Trump either.

West is not gonna get involved in this shitshow because Trump has no appetite for it.

This is probably one of the best times ever for a Chinese-Pakistani offensive in Ladakh.

Actually I think China is trying to build up the “infrastructure” for permanent and persistent coercion of India along its border. Keeping India off balance and tied down. There is talk in India that they need to shift spending from a Pakistan centric move to a China centric move.

In the Cold War, a economically prosperous West, build up to counter the Soviet Union, forcing the economically limited soviets to build up to keep up. The burden was to much for the soviets to handle, and it was one reason they collapsed. In a similar manner, an economically prosperous China can force India to build up in a futile attempt to keep up, if India continues in its efforts to hurt China’s core interests. China is also undermining Indian attempts at hegemony in South Asia, and offering an alternative partnership through its BRI projects.

So Pakistan should not jump the gun, and should build up the means to deal with India in an unexpected manner. Besides, China doesn’t want a war with India, it just wants to cut it down to size, from prospective hegemon to “contracting power”. India joined the “Indo-Pacific” strategy and China is also responding to India across the “Indo-Pacific”.

this is not to say that a military option should not be considered, but at present, only if the Chinese will full support the move.

 

[Aspen]

western asia and the mid east is already outside of the west's sphere of influence. it is dominated by iran and turkey and other rogue elements in addition to a heavy russian presence and all these entities have interests that do not align with western powers - as such the west won't tolerate south and east asia to enter such a state politically speaking. if india is taken out of the equation as an regional power it will essentially mean all of mainland asia (apart from pockets like the gulf states, korean peninsula and israel) will be free of any influence from the western powers

nobody will allow that - even the russians will rethink their position if china asserts its power over the continent like this

That doesn't make any sense, US is withdrawing from Afghanistan as we speak

US withdrawal from Afghanistan is the whole reason that Pakistan can even consider going for the kill in Ladakh with China. We can redeploy our forces to Ladakh freed up from Afghan border.

It's perfect situation for us.

 

[BL33D]

West is not gonna get involved in this shitshow because Trump has no appetite for it.

This is probably one of the best times ever for a Chinese-Pakistani offensive in Ladakh.

Your word - One week ago, people on here were openly saying that PLA killing Indians was impossible
And you conclude that such a surprise is impossible from West ??? Talk about self-deluded convinience.

 

[Aspen]

Your word - One week ago, people on here were openly saying that PLA killing Indians was impossible
And you conclude that such a surprise is impossible from West ??? Talk about self-deluded convinience.

West is not going to rescue India from a China-Pakistan offensive in Siachen and Ladakh.

 

[BL33D]

West is not going to rescue India from a China-Pakistan offensive in Siachen and Ladakh.

I might have to quote you in future - One week ago, people on here were openly saying that west intervening in a Indo-Pak-China war was impossible.

 

[Aspen]

I might have to quote you in future - One week ago, people on here were openly saying that west intervening in a Indo-Pak-China war was impossible.

Screenshot it.

If west has to rescue India next week, you guys will be in deep shit anyways.

 

[doorstar]

One week ago, people on here were openly saying that PLA killing Indians was impossible

I said it was impossible and not desired either unless you do something utterly stupid, which you promptly went and did

West is not going to rescue India from a China-Pakistan offensive in Siachen and Ladakh.

who do you think is pulling indian strings, the Martians?

 

[Aspen]

who do you thing is pulling indian strings, the Martians?

The goons in South Block

 

[BL33D]

Screenshot it.

If west has to rescue India next week, you guys will be in deep shit anyways.

You are the one relying on China for your 70 years old dream. Our alliance with US is not because we want to see US invade POhK or COhK so that we can piggyback on their success.