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India is Indian-thought the state where territory including Pakistan, Tibet of China, Nepal, Burma, South Iran.
Are you imbibing Afghanistan's best smuggled by your fundamentalist brothers who wish to destroy Pakistan?
We have problems galore, why should we incorporate all these crappy, useless and near failed states (except China) within our folds and that too when it is an impossibility and a total stupid suggestion?
I hope your mental health is A OK!
I find the idea that you project is in the realm of the delirious and insane!
I can assure you that we do not come into that realm, even if you do!
You do come out real strange and your ideas are the weirdest that one could think of. Are you an X File fanboy?
Such tripe, bilgewater, flotsam and jetsam seem to be your fancy to purvey!!
Please do not even think that you could ever qualify as India's spokesman. You are woefully short to come into that league! It is too superior for you intellect if one goes by what you wrote!!
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You need not to worry Afghanistan was never part of Akhand Bharat
Indeed.
You should worry and not us.
Paktoonistan, Pashtunwali and the Durand Line is too far away for us to worry!
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Indeed Sir Pashtunwali is far far far away from Indians.
And indeed you need not worry about the other two , we are here to take care of that. Dont bank much on your funded terrorists. The US not going to stay in the region forever.
Till they are there just
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Indeed Sir Pashtunwali is far far far away from Indians.
And indeed you need not worry about the other two , we are here to take care of that. Dont bank much on your funded terrorists. The US not going to stay in the region forever.
Till they there just
I wouldn't know.
I believe you are a Pashtun and so you would know better.
However, what you Pashtuns are doing to Pakistan with little chums of your like Mehsud is less said the better.
If they are Indian agents and bought, then there is much to say about Pashtuns and being loyal to the salt! Namak haram I believe is the Indian word for those who are not loyal to their nation.
You decide!
I have no clue. I go by the events and the way the terrorists are tearing Paksitan!
US is sadly going to be there and in Iraq forever.
Part of their strategy. As a journalist you should be more incisive and not day dream!
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Pasthunwali is a code and Those who are betraying the code are not considered as Pashtuns simple as that.
Indians dont have guts to find agents in any areas unless they find support and backing from Mossad, KGB or recently CIA.
As far Namak hara-mi is concerned the "Great Gandhi" was gunned down non-other than the own Indians.
You will find Namak Harams in every nation
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Cute!
I thought they were all Indian agents.
If India can do so much of damage, then they must be super.
If the world is supporting them, then they must be right!
Not that I care for the RSS, but I do care about facts, even if they are unpalatable!
The great Gandhi as you put was killed by the RSS. True.
But namak haram? No.
They hated Gandhi since he wanted to give more money to Pakistan!!
Take your Mehsud or that Red Mosque burkha clad man cleric! They eat and live on Pakistan and they are against Pakistan! Namak hararm!
Or do you feel that they are doing something that is correct and good for Pakistan?
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It dosnt make much difference till the time they are against Muslims.
Indians cant clean their nose without help of Mosad, KGB, and now CIA.If US/NATO is world for Indians then indeed they are right
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We are not Pakistan.
It is a well known fact that the US and CIA are operating and advising Pakistan!
As a journalist or so as you claim, you are not aware?
Are you not aware as to how many CIA operatives are there where you live?
Are you not aware as to how many people have been sent to Guantanamo with the help of Pakistan intelligence goaded by the CIA?
You are a client state of the USA!
Which world are you living in?
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Indian failure is that Indian think that Tibet is not part of China or Tibet should be part of India.
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Jana,
Well, now that the Brigadier says you are journalist, I'll take it.
However, your posts lack the razor sharp syntax and semantics which characterise the typical journalist's command over language, and may I dare say, sometimes comical.
Edit: No offence intended.
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This thread began with a piece that presented questions raised by a learned Indian academic suggesting that there was not enough discussion among thinking circles in India about the role of India in the world and the need to develop or fashion a framework for such a role once such a role is agreed upon - yet India has already become assertive, in a military sense - the post below hopes to examine the parameters of such assertiveness, is this yeomanship to the dominant super power or the begining of an entirely new phenomenon in military-strategic affairs in the south Asia :
Land of Gandhi asserts itself as global military power
By Anand Giridharadas
Monday, September 22, 2008
MUMBAI, India: The Mumbai, an Indian warship, was slicing through choppy monsoon seas one recent morning when a helicopter swooped in overhead. Commandos slithered down a rope, seizing control of the destroyer.
It was a drill, Indian soldiers taking over an Indian ship. But the purpose was to train them to seize other countries' ships in distant oceans, a sign of a new military assertiveness for the world's second-most-populous nation.
India, which gave the world the idea of Gandhian nonviolence, has long derided the force-projecting ways of the great powers. It focused its own military on self-defense against two neighbors, Pakistan and China.
But in recent years, while world attention has focused on China's military, India has begun to refashion itself as an armed power with global reach: a power willing and able to dispatch troops thousands of miles from the subcontinent to protect its oil shipments and trade routes, to defend its large expatriate population in the Middle East and to shoulder international peacekeeping duties.
"India sees itself in a different light not looking so much inward and looking at Pakistan, but globally," said William Cohen, a secretary of defense in the Clinton administration who in his new role as a lobbyist represents American firms seeking weapons contracts in India. "It's sending a signal that it's going to be a big player."
India is buying armaments that major powers like the United States use to operate far from home: aircraft carriers, giant C-130J transport planes and airborne refueling tankers. Meanwhile, India has helped to build a small air base in Tajikistan that it will share with its host country. It is modern India's first military outpost on foreign soil.
India also appears to be positioning itself as a caretaker and patroller of the Indian Ocean region, which stretches from Africa's coast to Australia's and from the subcontinent southward to Antarctica.
"Ten years from now, India could be a real provider of security to all the ocean islands in the Indian Ocean," said Ashley Tellis, an Indian-born scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington who has also been an adviser to the Bush administration. "It could become a provider of security in the Gulf in collaboration with the U.S. I would think of the same being true with the Central Asian states."
"India," he added, "is slowly maturing into a conventional great power."
Middle-aged Indians remember a time when their country would watch thousands of Indians in jeopardy in a foreign land and know that there was nothing their military could do.
But in 2006, when conflict between Israel and Hezbollah threatened Indian expatriates in Lebanon, four Indian warships happened to be in the Mediterranean. The navy rushed the vessels to Lebanon and brought more than 2,000 people on board, not only Indians, but Sri Lankans, Nepalese and Lebanese eager to escape the fighting.
Two years earlier, when a tsunami throttled Asia, including this country's own southern coast, the Indian Navy dispatched 16,000 troops, 32 warships, 41 planes and a floating hospital for rescue operations, according to news accounts.
Such changes bring pride to many Indians. But some also fear that India may become the kind of swaggering power it has opposed since it became independent from Britain in 1947.
"Immediately after independence, true, we had to engage ourselves for developing our country economically, politically because we were exploited under colonial rule for more than 200 years," Pranab Mukherjee, India's foreign minister, said in an interview.
Now, he said, things have changed: "Naturally, a country of this size, a population of this size we will be required to strengthen our security forces, modernize them, update them, upgrade our technology."
"We are ready to play a more responsible role," he added, "but we don't want to impose ourselves on others."
Indian military planning is still heavily focused on China and Pakistan, against both of which the country has fought wars. China, whose own military expansion outstrips India's, has not sounded public warnings about India's military modernization. But Pakistan is more critical.
Pakistani officials "are paying attention to Indian plans to project India outside the South Asian region," said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a leading Pakistani expert on that country's military.
India's buildup has several overlapping motivations. It now trades vigorously with the world, most critically in oil. It has bought oil fields or engaged in exploration in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Russia, Sudan, Syria, Vietnam and beyond. Not coincidentally, it has demonstrated a new interest in keeping the sea lanes through which that oil and other wares sail free of pirates and militants.
A more robust military is also vital for protecting millions of Indian workers in the Gulf, who are from time to time threatened by political volatility. But the most pressing motivation may be the fast-moving Chinese.
China has sought to develop a powerful air force and navy that can extend far beyond its shores. It has been increasing its military budget rapidly and plans to spend $60 billion on its armed forces in 2008, according to the government budget. The Pentagon estimates that China's actual military spending is much higher, perhaps twice the officially budgeted amount, as much as seven times India's defense outlay.
Beijing has alarmed Indian commanders by courting allies in India's neighborhood. Indians are particularly upset by what they say are Chinese-built military bases in Gwadar, Pakistan; Chittagong, Bangladesh; and Yangon, Myanmar.
"There seems to be an emerging long-term competition between India and China for pre-eminence in the region," said Jacqueline Newmyer, president of the Long Term Strategy Group, a research institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a security consultant to the United States government. "India is preparing slowly to claim its place as a pre-eminent power, and in the meantime China is working to complicate that for India."
India has worked to close the gap with China by spending heavily on modern arms. Analysts estimate that India could spend as much as $40 billion on military modernization in the next five years. What is most striking is how many of the weapons are designed for operations far from home.
Among the more notable purchases are six IL-78 airborne tankers, which can refuel three jets simultaneously and allow the air force to fly as far as Alaska.
Other armaments recently acquired or in the pipeline include naval destroyers, nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and the C-130J transport planes that are a staple of long-range conflicts.
"You don't need C-130s for Pakistan," said Tellis, the Bush administration adviser.
A telling sign of India's plans lies in Tajikistan, a nation between Afghanistan and China in Central Asia. Not far from Dushanbe, the capital, India has worked with Tajik authorities to build an air base and has stationed helicopters there.
Newmyer, of Long Term Strategy Group, called the arrangement "a big deal," not least because of the change of mindset it reflects. "Having overseas bases is a marker of an imperial kind of capability," she said. "India is thought of as a power that was colonized, not a power that puts its own boots on the ground in permanent bases in other countries."
In a speech in India's Parliament this summer, a rising political star spoke of a change in civilian thinking that helps explain the change in military strategy.
"What is important," said Rahul Gandhi, the heir to the family dynasty that controls the governing Congress Party, "is that we stop worrying about how the world will impact us, we stop being scared about how the world will impact us, and we step out and worry about how we will impact the world."
Wise say "Be careful of what you want, you just may get it"
Land of Gandhi asserts itself as global military power
By Anand Giridharadas
Monday, September 22, 2008
MUMBAI, India: The Mumbai, an Indian warship, was slicing through choppy monsoon seas one recent morning when a helicopter swooped in overhead. Commandos slithered down a rope, seizing control of the destroyer.
It was a drill, Indian soldiers taking over an Indian ship. But the purpose was to train them to seize other countries' ships in distant oceans, a sign of a new military assertiveness for the world's second-most-populous nation.
India, which gave the world the idea of Gandhian nonviolence, has long derided the force-projecting ways of the great powers. It focused its own military on self-defense against two neighbors, Pakistan and China.
But in recent years, while world attention has focused on China's military, India has begun to refashion itself as an armed power with global reach: a power willing and able to dispatch troops thousands of miles from the subcontinent to protect its oil shipments and trade routes, to defend its large expatriate population in the Middle East and to shoulder international peacekeeping duties.
"India sees itself in a different light not looking so much inward and looking at Pakistan, but globally," said William Cohen, a secretary of defense in the Clinton administration who in his new role as a lobbyist represents American firms seeking weapons contracts in India. "It's sending a signal that it's going to be a big player."
India is buying armaments that major powers like the United States use to operate far from home: aircraft carriers, giant C-130J transport planes and airborne refueling tankers. Meanwhile, India has helped to build a small air base in Tajikistan that it will share with its host country. It is modern India's first military outpost on foreign soil.
India also appears to be positioning itself as a caretaker and patroller of the Indian Ocean region, which stretches from Africa's coast to Australia's and from the subcontinent southward to Antarctica.
"Ten years from now, India could be a real provider of security to all the ocean islands in the Indian Ocean," said Ashley Tellis, an Indian-born scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington who has also been an adviser to the Bush administration. "It could become a provider of security in the Gulf in collaboration with the U.S. I would think of the same being true with the Central Asian states."
"India," he added, "is slowly maturing into a conventional great power."
Middle-aged Indians remember a time when their country would watch thousands of Indians in jeopardy in a foreign land and know that there was nothing their military could do.
But in 2006, when conflict between Israel and Hezbollah threatened Indian expatriates in Lebanon, four Indian warships happened to be in the Mediterranean. The navy rushed the vessels to Lebanon and brought more than 2,000 people on board, not only Indians, but Sri Lankans, Nepalese and Lebanese eager to escape the fighting.
Two years earlier, when a tsunami throttled Asia, including this country's own southern coast, the Indian Navy dispatched 16,000 troops, 32 warships, 41 planes and a floating hospital for rescue operations, according to news accounts.
Such changes bring pride to many Indians. But some also fear that India may become the kind of swaggering power it has opposed since it became independent from Britain in 1947.
"Immediately after independence, true, we had to engage ourselves for developing our country economically, politically because we were exploited under colonial rule for more than 200 years," Pranab Mukherjee, India's foreign minister, said in an interview.
Now, he said, things have changed: "Naturally, a country of this size, a population of this size we will be required to strengthen our security forces, modernize them, update them, upgrade our technology."
"We are ready to play a more responsible role," he added, "but we don't want to impose ourselves on others."
Indian military planning is still heavily focused on China and Pakistan, against both of which the country has fought wars. China, whose own military expansion outstrips India's, has not sounded public warnings about India's military modernization. But Pakistan is more critical.
Pakistani officials "are paying attention to Indian plans to project India outside the South Asian region," said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a leading Pakistani expert on that country's military.
India's buildup has several overlapping motivations. It now trades vigorously with the world, most critically in oil. It has bought oil fields or engaged in exploration in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Russia, Sudan, Syria, Vietnam and beyond. Not coincidentally, it has demonstrated a new interest in keeping the sea lanes through which that oil and other wares sail free of pirates and militants.
A more robust military is also vital for protecting millions of Indian workers in the Gulf, who are from time to time threatened by political volatility. But the most pressing motivation may be the fast-moving Chinese.
China has sought to develop a powerful air force and navy that can extend far beyond its shores. It has been increasing its military budget rapidly and plans to spend $60 billion on its armed forces in 2008, according to the government budget. The Pentagon estimates that China's actual military spending is much higher, perhaps twice the officially budgeted amount, as much as seven times India's defense outlay.
Beijing has alarmed Indian commanders by courting allies in India's neighborhood. Indians are particularly upset by what they say are Chinese-built military bases in Gwadar, Pakistan; Chittagong, Bangladesh; and Yangon, Myanmar.
"There seems to be an emerging long-term competition between India and China for pre-eminence in the region," said Jacqueline Newmyer, president of the Long Term Strategy Group, a research institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a security consultant to the United States government. "India is preparing slowly to claim its place as a pre-eminent power, and in the meantime China is working to complicate that for India."
India has worked to close the gap with China by spending heavily on modern arms. Analysts estimate that India could spend as much as $40 billion on military modernization in the next five years. What is most striking is how many of the weapons are designed for operations far from home.
Among the more notable purchases are six IL-78 airborne tankers, which can refuel three jets simultaneously and allow the air force to fly as far as Alaska.
Other armaments recently acquired or in the pipeline include naval destroyers, nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and the C-130J transport planes that are a staple of long-range conflicts.
"You don't need C-130s for Pakistan," said Tellis, the Bush administration adviser.
A telling sign of India's plans lies in Tajikistan, a nation between Afghanistan and China in Central Asia. Not far from Dushanbe, the capital, India has worked with Tajik authorities to build an air base and has stationed helicopters there.
Newmyer, of Long Term Strategy Group, called the arrangement "a big deal," not least because of the change of mindset it reflects. "Having overseas bases is a marker of an imperial kind of capability," she said. "India is thought of as a power that was colonized, not a power that puts its own boots on the ground in permanent bases in other countries."
In a speech in India's Parliament this summer, a rising political star spoke of a change in civilian thinking that helps explain the change in military strategy.
"What is important," said Rahul Gandhi, the heir to the family dynasty that controls the governing Congress Party, "is that we stop worrying about how the world will impact us, we stop being scared about how the world will impact us, and we step out and worry about how we will impact the world."
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