What does China think about Kashmir. My POV

[KingMamba]

Petition your lawmakers to build a wall of fire between India and Pakistan. That should keep us out.

It will keep Indians out but you will just use your Nepali passport.

 

[PoKeMon]

China provided arm support to Pakistan during their war against India that a statement of total support for Pakistan.

Total support for pakistan or their aspiring arm industry?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

This US State dept retired knows that you fall into yet another trap of reading and picking on choice words and sentences, and miss the boat on what was overall claimed.

It does not make a difference if you are disputed or not, rather what makes a difference is opening yourself to separatists to demand the same and you DO have separatists calls in HK. It was a larger point being made.

Can you prove you were a member of the US state department?

Like I offered to prove my identity as a Hong Konger with Chinese citizenship to the forum Administrators via webcam (I always keep my ID documents in my wallet, like everyone should do). Five minute webcam chat, easy.

Since you know falsely claiming to be a member of the US state department is a criminal offence?

Yep also go through his posts he has taken Indian position in all matters he has commented on concerning India.

Looks like a lot of us have noticed that.

There are plenty of good American members here, who take the American point of view, like my friends LeveragedBuyout and Svensvensonov.

But this supposed "US state department" guy talks 100% like an Indian, and takes the Indian position in every post I have seen from him, as you yourself noticed.

 

[saadee]

Petition your lawmakers to build a wall of fire between India and Pakistan. That should keep us out.

After Mumbai attack, SM KARISHNA came to Pakistan for AFG-INIDA trade. Why don't you tell the people that it was a dirty tactics to recover your 2.6 billion dollars from Afgh. First truck entered in PAKISTAN (SUPPOSED TO BE THE PART OF AFGH-INDIA TRADE) was carrying ammunition. Wow! What a recovery.

 

[Judge]

Good idea but impractical. An independent Kashmir is not viable and will collapse like a house of cards sooner than later.

There is a section of Kashmir’s society on both sides of the border that has been shouting from the rooftops for ‘Independence’ of Kashmir. They neither want to remain with India nor join Pakistan. Do these hotheads know the consequences of an independent Kashmir?

Let’s check it out.

Reasons why an independent Kashmir is not viable.

1) Located in one of the most unstable regions in the world in terms of terrorism.

2) Could only set themselves up for an invasion from any one of possibly 3 neighboring countries.

3) Independence doesn’t guarantee stability.

4) Independence doesn’t guarantee safety.

5) A predominantly Muslim nation could fall prey to an extreme form of Islam based on strict Sharia Law like the TTP/ISIS aim to establish. Their gradual influence in a new sovereign state of Kashmir would be a real possibility and a clear danger to the region.

6) An independent Kashmir will not be economically viable since there are no industries or natural resources. Agriculture and tourism cannot sustain a country’s economy. Investors would think twice before investing in a land-locked country. Independence doesn’t guarantee economic prosperity.

7) How would the country even generate income in an area that has no resources? India doles out to Kashmir, on an average Rs 50,000 crores or $9 billion every year in the form of subsidies, grants, aid and infrastructure. Stop this and Kashmir would sink faster than the Titanic. Which country will provide them the necessary funds to keep afloat? None.

8) How would they find resources for raising an army for internal as well as external threats? A minimum of three divisions would be required and probably an indep armored brigade for the defence of an independent Kashmir. Cost? At least $10 billion! Where is the money? Or where would it come from? And needless to say, maintaining this force will not be chicken feed.

9) Kashmir is predominantly rural and makes nearly all of its paltry income from agriculture in a region as rocky as the Himalayas. There won’t be much money available to sustain a government in Kashmir and have enough funds for education, infrastructure, healthcare, defense, etc. It would not be able to fund such projects with the limited sources of income without running up monstrous debts which would quickly cripple the economy of the nation, scaring away investors, resulting in perpetual poverty, and finally in a collapse.

10) China will probably smell an opportunity here and try and convert this new country into another autonomous region of China like the TAR by pumping in funds and resources. After all, it has a strategic and economic interest in Gilgit/Baltistan. China is heading stealthily towards its ambitious plan to safeguard its Persian Gulf route through Kashmir, which would also get a potential naval base in the Arabian Sea at Gwadar, linked by road to its eastern Xinjiang province.

So, the bottom line is that an independent Kashmir is out of the question as it will not be viable.

An independent Kashmir will become a jihadi nest. No one wants to that - India, China or the world.
Maybe Pakistanis are comfortable to have yet more jihadis, as their Army's consistent support and use of them signifies, but no one else does.

Ergo - there is not going to be an independent kashmir. Those Pakistanis who think PA will allow an independent Kashmir are naive or ignorant.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

So I am not the only one who smells the bs coming from this dude.

This thread seems to be an attempt to imply that China does not support Pakistans position, in fact they support India instead according to the esteemed op LOL.

Can you quote me on where I said China supported India? I'll be eagerly waiting for it.

 

[PoKeMon]

Can you prove you were a member of the US state department?

Like I offered to prove my identity as a Hong Konger with Chinese citizenship to the forum Administrators via webcam (I always keep my ID documents in my wallet, like everyone should do). Five minute webcam chat, easy.

Since you know falsely claiming to be a member of the US state department is a criminal offence?

Trigger happy in proving identity.

Have you by chance in a profession of third party back ground verification?

 

[saadee]

Have you ever used your mind to figure out that all big powers have supported you on Kashmir and still you could not get what you want?

Bonehead! There was a country called RUSSIA who had the power of veto. Should I REMIND YOU THAT RUSSIA WAS THE BIGGEST ARMY MARKET FOR INDIA?

 

[PoKeMon]

Bonehead! There was a country called RUSSIA who had the power of veto. Should I REMIND YOU THAT RUSSIA WAS THE BIGGEST ARMY MARKET FOR INDIA?

Kids will always be kids.

Why couldn't rest of other powers who were in support of you could have vetoed your position?

 

[The Great One]

And yet US. U.K,CHINA and France backed us on the Kashmiri issue.


Is this your immature answer?

So anything that the US, UK and France do is now considered the act of G-d. I though they were the 'Evil' West.

As for your non-stop rants over Samjhauta Express blast.
Refer this
Outrage over Lakhvi but not Swami Aseemanand?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Can you prove you were a member of the US state department?

Like I offered to prove my identity as a Hong Konger with Chinese citizenship to the forum Administrators via webcam (I always keep my ID documents in my wallet, like everyone should do). Five minute webcam chat, easy.

Since you know falsely claiming to be a member of the US state department is a criminal offence?

Honestly, it tells us more about you and that you go about 'proving' your real identity to people on the internet. Kinda disturbing to fathom that level of need to willingly give up on your privacy.

And NO I will not prove my credentials for obvious reasons, and frankly could not being bothered to 'prove' myself just because I've offended your sensibilities.. I did not invite you into this conversation, feel free to disbelieve or ignore me.

 

[Steakhouse]

Total support for pakistan or their aspiring arm industry?

Weren't the Chinese sent fighter jet, small arm, artillery to Pakistan during 1965 war? China wasn't an arm exporter in 1969, China provided Pakistan military support without a strong military export industry.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Honestly, it tells us more about you and that you go about 'proving' your real identity to people on the internet. Kinda disturbing to fathom that level of need to willingly give up on your privacy.

And NO I will not prove my credentials for obvious reasons, and frankly could not being bothered to 'prove' myself just because I've offended your sensibilities.. I did not invite you into this conversation, feel free to disbelieve or ignore me.

Obviously you can't prove it over webcam, because you're almost certainly lying.

I hope you get arrested for pretending to be a member of the US state department. Impersonating a US state official is a serious crime.

And the UK would hand over anyone to America in a heartbeat.

 

[KingMamba]

Can you quote me on where I said China supported India? I'll be eagerly waiting for it.

Lol by saying China does not support Pakistan's position you are implying support for India because all India asks is for other countries not to support Pakistan's position. Beyond that India does not ask for other countries to recognize Indian stand on kashmir as it considers it a done deal that does not need external recognition and considers anything further on the part of third parties as an affront to its sovereignty and in violation of the shimla agreement between India and Pakistan.

 

[suresh1773]

I believe Pakistan's position on Kashmir is wrong. It would be much better to rally the international community behind the Pakistan Administered Kashmir for a free and fair referendum. If AJK chooses to become an independent state and India doesn't reciprocate by holding a referendum in Indian administered Kashmir, it would become easier and more legitimate for an independent AJK to take its narrative to the international community for 'reunification'. In my opinion the Kashmir issue is very similar to the East and West Germany. Both parts were administered by two different powers with conflicting interests, the area was heavily militarized and the real people suffering from it were the German people. In Kashmir the Kashmiri people suffer from the conflicting interests of Pakistan and India. The ideal solution that will stand the test of time is the reunification of Kashmir into a new and sovereign nation state. If that happens, the very long held dream of ''breakfast in Dehli, Lunch in Islamabad and dinner in Kabul can be realised ''.

I felt happy after reading yr views & I endorse it. The best solution to the kashmir problem will be some what "AUTONOMY". with India & Pakistan jointly controlling. What about the militants,will they disapper or evaporate in thin air. Can the militants,Syed Salhuddin or Hurriyat give jobs,education to the people of Kashmir,in short BETTER ADMINISTRATION which I doubt. Already there r militant groups in Kashmir who favor a Taliban type rule. About the Kashmiri separtat leader Syed Salhuddin,all his children r doing civilian jobs.