“We will hunt them down in Kunar and Nooristan,” said Asim Bajwa DG ISPR.

[Kabira]

The best achievement of Afghans, of any ethnicity, is to convert your kind to islam. Ghauri invited your ghakkars to islam and they accepted it. In the army of ghauri, khwaja moinudeen was present who was from Afghanistan and did tabligh to hindus. Ghauri installed a first muslim dynasty on delhi, giving political power to islam in india, due to which your ancestors practiced islam without any fear. Khilji, syed, lodhi, suri dynasties were from afghanistan and your text books consider them part of muslim history of pakistan, pakistan which includes your punjabis.

Meanwhile your ancestors were still Sindhi Lohani sindhu, so both of us were in same boat back then brother

 

[ghoul]

The best achievement of Afghans, of any ethnicity, is to convert your kind to islam. Ghauri invited your ghakkars to islam and they accepted it. In the army of ghauri, khwaja moinudeen was present who was from Afghanistan and did tabligh to hindus. Ghauri installed a first muslim dynasty on delhi, giving political power to islam in india, due to which your ancestors practiced islam without any fear. Khilji, syed, lodhi, suri dynasties were from afghanistan and your text books consider them part of muslim history of pakistan, pakistan which includes your punjabis.

I'm not a Gakhar. Just belong to an allied cast. And they weren't converted by Ghauri I believe. They claim to have been converted way before Mahmud. Ghauri deserved death though. He had killed some Khokhars when he passed that region. Khokhars=/=Gakhars.

And my response was to Afghan-India guy. They need to get out of this fallacy that they have been our historical rulers lol. These bacha baaz people have kammi like characteristics.

 

[Kabira]

I'm not a Gakhar. Just belong to an allied cast. And they weren't converted by Ghauri I believe. They claim to have been converted way before Mahmud. Ghauri deserved death though. He had killed some Khokhars when he passed that region. Khokhars=/=Gakhars.

And my response was to Afghan-India guy. They need to get out of this fallacy that they have been our historical rulers lol. These bacha baaz people have kammi like characteristics.

Khokhar =ghakkar are same or just similar sounding names?

 

[ghoul]

Khokhar =ghakkar are same or just similar sounding names?

Totally different tribes. Khokhar is a rajput/jatt hybrid tribe, while Gakhars are "Rajas" but claim a Kayani persian origin. Khokhars are also found in Tarkhan and "kammi", though their claims are doubtful. Today, Khokhars in Pind Dadan Khan and Jhang are rajputs, while the rest are hardly rajput. The Khokhars of Pind Dadan Khan use the title of Raja.

 

[Kabira]

Totally different tribes. Khokhar is a rajput/jatt hybrid tribe, while Gakhars are "Rajas" but claim a Kayani persian origin. Khokhars are also found in Tarkhan and "kammi", though their claims are doubtful. Today, Khokhars in Pind Dadan Khan and Jhang are rajputs, while the rest are hardly rajput. The Khokhars of Pind Dadan Khan use the title of Raja.

My friend from school was Kiyani, which mean he is Ghakkar right?

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

I'm not a Gakhar. Just belong to an allied cast. And they weren't converted by Ghauri I believe. They claim to have been converted way before Mahmud. Ghauri deserved death though. He had killed some Khokhars when he passed that region. Khokhars=/=Gakhars.

And my response was to Afghan-India guy. They need to get out of this fallacy that they have been our historical rulers lol. These bacha baaz people have kammi like characteristics.

Your response was to that Afghan-india guy but you mentioned babur and expressed your joy and pleasure in his building of towers from pashtun skulls. Those particular pashtun tribes are now your countrymen now. I cant blame you, as pashtun history is one, as pashtun people of any country are one and same people. Note that babur recruited soldiers from pashtun/afghan tribes as well as he crushed any pashtun who gave him trouble. His ancestor amir timur, led military expediation to crush rebellious pashtun tribes, but on the other hand large number of pashtuns were part of his army and assissted the installed sayyad rulers by timur. Mahmud ghaznavi led wars against pashtun rulers and people of ghor, sulieman ranges and multan, but most of his soldiers were also pashtuns. Nadir shah led wars against hotak pashtuns of persia and kandhar, and fought with afridis but according to source of his time there were 50 thousands abdalis and 12 thousands ghilzais in his army. Dont simplify history my friend.

 

[HAIDER]

DG ISPR gives exclusive briefing on Operation Zarb-e-Azb

Express News screengrab of DG ISPR Major General Asim Bajwa.

ISLAMABAD: In an exclusive briefing to Express News on the ongoing military operation in North Waziristan, Director General Inter Services Public Relations (DG ISPR) Asim Bajwa said that Miramshah is now completely clear of militants, and forces are now moving towards Boya and Degan.

The military spokesperson also appealed to Afghanistan to take action against or hand over to militants who are seeking refuge in Kunar and Nooristan, saying they would “hunt them down wherever they go.”

Explaining the progress of the operation using a 3D model in the Express News studio, Bajwa said that Miramshah, including surrounding villages, Maachis and Darapakhel, were the first to be cleared after announcing the operation on June 15.

The clearance began after vacating residents from the area on June 29, he said adding that while the area is now completely clear of militants, work on defusing and detonating IEDs and explosives discovered during the ground operation is under way.

“The forces are now moving towards Boya and Degan,” he said.

The DG ISPR further said that a ground operation in Mirali started yesterday, whereas air strikes were taking place from before. Regarding the ground operation, he said six militants had been killed last night. However, the army is facing resistance from the militants in this area.

Answering a question in regard to the difference in physical conditions of Mirali in comparison to Miramshah, Bajwa said that the terrain of the whole area is difficult for the army as it is mountainous and has ravines, while militant hideouts have tunnels and sniper posts.

The DG ISPR also clarified that along with air strikes, ground operation also needs to be conducted to gain back control of areas.

While affirming that security has been reinforced along the border with Afghanistan making it difficult for militants to escape, he said that the army has launched protests and has asked the Afghan government to cooperate with them.

Furthermore, during the briefing, he appealed to Afghanistan to take action against or hand over to militants who fled the border during and before the operation and are seeking refuge in Kunar and Nooristan to the Pakistan Army.

“We will hunt them down wherever they go,” said DG ISPR.

He added that the terrorists were spread in the whole country; however, the army is eliminating them from their epicenter and are destroying their main communication centre. He added that the provincial governments and interior ministry have to work with them as well.

Bajwa said that there has been police mobilistaion in cities according to an integrated security mechanism made in which forces will assist the civil government. He further said that intelligence operations are under way and militants have been arrested. However, he refused to disclose an exact number.

“I appeal to the country not to lower their guard, we must remain alert,” he said. “Call 1135 to report any suspicious activity and help us and the government,” he appealed to the nation.

That's how top command should talk......hunt down the culprit in enemy territory

 

[FunkyGen]

Pukhtoons are not pakis, Pakistan is temporary.

You better watch your mouth buddy, one more word and I'll rip your mouth off with my pukhtoon hands, got it? friggin idiot

 

[Kabira]

Your response was to that Afghan-india guy but you mentioned babur and expressed your joy and pleasure in his building of towers from pashtun skulls. Those particular pashtun tribes are now your countrymen now. I cant blame you, as pashtun history is one, as pashtun people of any country are one and same people. Note that babur recruited soldiers from pashtun/afghan tribes as well as he crushed any pashtun who gave him trouble. His ancestor amir timur, led military expediation to crush rebellious pashtun tribes, but on the other hand large number of pashtuns were part of his army and assissted the installed sayyad rulers by timur. Mahmud ghaznavi led wars against pashtun rulers and people of ghor, sulieman ranges and multan, but most of his soldiers were also pashtuns. Nadir shah led wars against hotak pashtuns of persia and kandhar, and fought with afridis but according to source of his time there were 50 thousands abdalis and 12 thousands ghilzais in his army. Dont simplify history my friend.

Basically you are saying let Afghanis say what ever they want, any response will also hurt Pakistani pashtuns? You mean to say it hurts you right? Afghanis=Pakistani pashtuns

Though you have always made fun of many Pakistani pashtuns on pdf, but had to defend someone who id is ''Afghani-India'' just because his flag is of Afghanistan.

 

[ghoul]

Your response was to that Afghan-india guy but you mentioned babur and expressed your joy and pleasure in his building of towers from pashtun skulls. Those particular pashtun tribes are now your countrymen now. I cant blame you, as pashtun history is one, as pashtun people of any country are one and same people. Note that babur recruited soldiers from pashtun/afghan tribes as well as he crushed any pashtun who gave him trouble. His ancestor amir timur, led military expediation to crush rebellious pashtun tribes, but on the other hand large number of pashtuns were part of his army and assissted the installed sayyad rulers by timur. Mahmud ghaznavi led wars against pashtun rulers and people of ghor, sulieman ranges and multan, but most of his soldiers were also pashtuns. Nadir shah led wars against hotak pashtuns of persia and kandhar, and fought with afridis but according to source of his time there were 50 thousands abdalis and 12 thousands ghilzais in his army. Dont simplify history my friend.

I'm not celebrating the fact that he did that. I'm simply stating that everyone in history got his or her arse kicked at least once. Afghans tend to have a very poor understanding of history and seem to lie so much that it automatically offends many non-Afghans. For example this "nation of leonine" comment that they repeat so much is based purely on lies and forgery. As for me calling those Kohatis Afghans, well, that's what Babur called them. Babur also massacred an entire fortress in Bajaur and enslaved the defender's women and children as he thought they were "biddati", a term that you use for Punjabis lol.

And as for Pashtuns/Assghani soldiers in service of foreign warlords, well, Pashtuns/Assghanis have been known to be serving as mercenaries throughout their history. Even today, you'll find Pakhtun gunmen in service of badmaash MNAs and MPAs throughout the Punjab, who happen to be a modern manifestation of mercenaries. Most Pindari gangs in central India/deccan were composed of Pashtuns/Afghan mercenaries working under Marathas and involved in loot and plunder. Prithviraj Chauhan is also said to have employed Pashtun mercenaries in his army. This is the undeniable reality that Pashtuns/Afghans worked as mercenaries for a livelihood in their history. I don't blame them though. Their homeland can hardly grow anything and their economy was based mostly on serving as mercenary soldiers. No offence to anyone here though.

And I'm not aware of Mahmud Ghazni's campaigns against Pakhtuns. As for his soldiers being largely Pashtun, do you have any source to back it up? Nader Shah also had hundreds of Gakhars in his army in the battle of Karnal.

My friend from school was Kiyani, which mean he is Ghakkar right?

Yes that's a common surname that they use.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

We call ourselves ahle-sunnat or sunni or simply muslim. Deobandi is internet or bookish term. But hanafis like us and others use word bareilwi for your sect, you people are not recognized as hanafi sunnis by muslim world, for some particular reasons. As it is not a religous forum, so i would stop here.

whatever your faith or ethnicity and lifestyle
we will hunt down the enemies of Pakistan where ever they are

dont confuse it with anything against Pashtons
and dont give it a sectarian angle
if your hands are clean then you dont need to worry, just step aside

what about that age old Pashton trait of not letting outsiders occupy and call the shots?
these Ujbeks and Tajiks and Arabs beheaded your Maliks and abducted your women in the name of Nikah? and you guys just took it quietly?

 

[Tameem]

what about that age old Pashton trait of not letting outsiders occupy and call the shots?
these Ujbeks and Tajiks and Arabs beheaded your Maliks and abducted your women in the name of Nikah? and you guys just took it quietly?

No but Financially.....all this ttp phenomenah is playing around this filth nothing else.

 

[SQ8]

I have broken the bones of some people in my life, in quarrels, almost all of them were pashtuns , mostly from my marwat tribe. My younger brother got shot and killed, by a pashtun and we took care of that pashtun. Remember my racist friend, there are sinners and bad people in every community but so are good people. Majority people are in gray area, minority are criminals in every community. Thats why i am strongly against collective punishment and FCR..
If a pashtun attack me with intention of killing , i will defend myself and kill him as i am allowed to do so in islam and it is a type of jihad. If my qaum is attacked, i would expect them to bring their act togather and forget the differences.
No qaum is perfect, i am a sinner and i pray from Allah to forgive me and guide me to right path. I am not afraid of death, i am afraid of judgement day. This is holy month of ramadan, a chance to improve and cleanse ourselves..

Let me use your qaum logic. These very Pashtun Afghans you hold dear, openly state that they will treat you like crap if you join them. You have already made it clear that your Nation is NOT Pakistan, but Pashtuns.. however, in that case.. such a "nation" does not exist. Its a race, never a nation as of yet. So essentially you are a man without a cause. Regardless of whether you break bones or not or get shot and killed.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

No but Financially.....all this ttp phenomenah is playing around this filth nothing else.

it will be an insult to entire Pashton population to think like this.
yes some of them got minted but most had no choice and couldn't stand up to the firepower and ferocity these Taliban and their foreign allies brought. reason why our tribal militias failed was that they lacked the resources and the help of the army. the Taliban always taunted and threatened them that the punjabi army wont stay there long and and will leave the place for taliban to come back and seek revenge.

they saw their elders their Maliks systematically killed, even their Imams blown up along with other people and their women taken away in the name of Nikkah. I wonder if you saw those news of taking away one child of the family or seeking monthly ransom from these people of FATA..so the ordinary people you see displaced were never the beneficiaries but victims like rest of Pakistanis.

yu see, our enemy uses every bit of dirty trick it can against the state of Pakistan and its a shame that some political parties , media and judiciary played along with them too just out of their combined hatred towards the armed forces.
so they use footage from Middle east claiming its the victims in FATA from Pakistan army actions, they use the ethnicity card (punjabi army killing pashtons), they use sectarian card claiming that shia army is killing sunnis and if all fails they just use the american rented army slang.. something the thickheads in PTI also use and think that calling off our actions and pulling out our army from our own territory will resolve all issues, I wonder if those idiots have seen those network of tunnels in Miranshah to understand how idiotic their logic is. and then my hero Inran Khan thinks that if we let the tribals deal with these taliban then they will do it in days without much fuss.. sadly he has no clue what happened to our amn lashkers and entire tribes that stood up to TTP and its affiliates.

 

[IceCold]

Too bad their politicians are like Imran-Imran, Abdullah-Abdullah, and Qadri Qadri. Always fighting, always revolutions.

Please! You may dislike a guy but don't insult him by comparing him to the likes of Afghans.