We are losing the battle in Kashmir: Indian Army Commander.....!!!!

[Hellfire]

Exactly! No one cares a fig about Kashmir anymore. Check this out........

Kashmir issue left unmentioned in United Nations

Yup. That's what I had posted the other day to someone who was actually surprised when I posted this. LOL!!! The amount of obfuscation that is prevalent in Pakistan especially with regards to the history and facts, even the original spin master forgets the facts because (s)he is so involved in lies that the sense of paranoia and lies prevails all around them.

One must study the thesis submitted by some of the US Army officers for their PhDs on Counter-Insurgency operations before they drafted their doctrine. They extensively quoted Indian method of dealing with CI Ops.

When someone posts the various incidents of unrest in valley one totally fails to understand why India allows the world to see it. Lets try and sum it up so that trolls and the 'professionals' (who actually have no idea of things) can join in :


The fact that stone pelting and civil unrest accompanies any CI operation in valley is as old as the movement which started way back in 1989 in earnest. It was marked by women being posted as lookouts, who would seemingly be going along with their daily chores while at the same time, militants would be hiding in the space between the double walls of a typical Kashmiri wooden house with an approximate 2-4 inch diameter slit where the weapon would be placed and as soon as a convoy/column of security personnel would appear, they would initiate a firefight and immediately be screened by the women as they fled the area. It is not as if this is a new phenomenon and it marks a shift to Palestinian form of 'Intifada' in the Kashmiri separatist's campaign, instead, it is the result of increased permissiveness of the Indian authorities to allow these reports to filter across the globe. Why would India be doing that?


The reasons why so many incidents of stone pelting and unrest are being reported are as follows:

1. The mandate of Indian army, when being inducted in 1989 for CI operations in the valley was "to bring down the level of violence to a level wherein a political dialogue can take place". As such, the situation wherein there were thousands of trained and battle experienced foreign fighters including SSG elements of Pakistan in the 90s waging an undeclared war in valley, today the situation has trickled down to a couple of hundred militants who are part time at best and who have merely created incidents of violence in order to keep the issue highlighted. Thus, the Indian Army has been able to achieve it's mandate. However, we are yet to see the local administration and law enforcement agencies to step up and plug the deficiencies of good governance in the state.

2. The successful completion of the last general elections with independent estimates giving an average voter turnout of between 65-72% in the valley, emphatically demonstrated to the world that the democracy is working in the valley! The election of PDP, a seemingly pro-separatist party to power, further served as a diplomatic and political coup for the Government of India to strengthen its claim that democracy rules in J&K. This has further strengthened the view of UN member countries that indeed, the assimilation of J&K is not an issue for it to consider as was decided by UN in 2010 and instead is an issue wherein the countries have to solve their differences bilaterally - something that India has long maintained.

3. The telecast of such incidents and the reporting of such incidents, indeed, work exactly in favour of the Government of India wherein the transparency is being maintained and the world is aware of what is happening and Pakistan is not allowed to spin tales of mass atrocities as was the case with Syria, wherein the government reacted with disproportionate force and banned media reporting, thereby allowing itself to play into the hands of its opposing countries. These scenes indeed serve to strengthen the view of democracy as such demonstrations are usual in other parts of India too, be it on reservations (like the recent Jat stir) or even water ..., hence, can be passed off as a law and order issue at best.

4. By presenting repeated incidents of violence and releasing data on illiteracy and poverty with unemployment and population indices of the state as a whole and not Kashmir alone, the government has brought into the stark contrast the indices in Kashmir with respect to better development and social parameters in Ladakh and Jammu region, further underscoring the socio-economic hardships of people due to support of terrorism from across the border.

5. By successfully getting J&K removed from list of conflicts at UN, the GoI has been able to ensure that diplomatically, the status quo is recognised as being sacrosanct, thereby check mating the Pakistani design of reneging from both the Shimla Accord and Karachi Agreements.

sorry .. its a draft hence wrote what came to mind while travelling .... edit as you like.

Thanks

 

[OrionHunter]

Yup. That's what I had posted the other day to someone who was actually surprised when I posted this. LOL!!! The amount of obfuscation that is prevalent in Pakistan especially with regards to the history and facts, even the original spin master forgets the facts because (s)he is so involved in lies that the sense of paranoia and lies prevails all around them.

One must study the thesis submitted by some of the US Army officers for their PhDs on Counter-Insurgency operations before they drafted their doctrine. They extensively quoted Indian method of dealing with CI Ops.

When someone posts the various incidents of unrest in valley one totally fails to understand why India allows the world to see it. Lets try and sum it up so that trolls and the 'professionals' (who actually have no idea of things) can join in :

The fact that stone pelting and civil unrest accompanies any CI operation in valley is as old as the movement which started way back in 1989 in earnest. It was marked by women being posted as lookouts, who would seemingly be going along with their daily chores while at the same time, militants would be hiding in the space between the double walls of a typical Kashmiri wooden house with an approximate 2-4 inch diameter slit where the weapon would be placed and as soon as a convoy/column of security personnel would appear, they would initiate a firefight and immediately be screened by the women as they fled the area. It is not as if this is a new phenomenon and it marks a shift to Palestinian form of 'Intifada' in the Kashmiri separatist's campaign, instead, it is the result of increased permissiveness of the Indian authorities to allow these reports to filter across the globe. Why would India be doing that?

The reasons why so many incidents of stone pelting and unrest are being reported are as follows:

1. The mandate of Indian army, when being inducted in 1989 for CI operations in the valley was "to bring down the level of violence to a level wherein a political dialogue can take place". As such, the situation wherein there were thousands of trained and battle experienced foreign fighters including SSG elements of Pakistan in the 90s waging an undeclared war in valley, today the situation has trickled down to a couple of hundred militants who are part time at best and who have merely created incidents of violence in order to keep the issue highlighted. Thus, the Indian Army has been able to achieve it's mandate. However, we are yet to see the local administration and law enforcement agencies to step up and plug the deficiencies of good governance in the state.

2. The successful completion of the last general elections with independent estimates giving an average voter turnout of between 65-72% in the valley, emphatically demonstrated to the world that the democracy is working in the valley! The election of PDP, a seemingly pro-separatist party to power, further served as a diplomatic and political coup for the Government of India to strengthen its claim that democracy rules in J&K. This has further strengthened the view of UN member countries that indeed, the assimilation of J&K is not an issue for it to consider as was decided by UN in 2010 and instead is an issue wherein the countries have to solve their differences bilaterally - something that India has long maintained.

3. The telecast of such incidents and the reporting of such incidents, indeed, work exactly in favour of the Government of India wherein the transparency is being maintained and the world is aware of what is happening and Pakistan is not allowed to spin tales of mass atrocities as was the case with Syria, wherein the government reacted with disproportionate force and banned media reporting, thereby allowing itself to play into the hands of its opposing countries. These scenes indeed serve to strengthen the view of democracy as such demonstrations are usual in other parts of India too, be it on reservations (like the recent Jat stir) or even water ..., hence, can be passed off as a law and order issue at best.

4. By presenting repeated incidents of violence and releasing data on illiteracy and poverty with unemployment and population indices of the state as a whole and not Kashmir alone, the government has brought into the stark contrast the indices in Kashmir with respect to better development and social parameters in Ladakh and Jammu region, further underscoring the socio-economic hardships of people due to support of terrorism from across the border.

5. By successfully getting J&K removed from list of conflicts at UN, the GoI has been able to ensure that diplomatically, the status quo is recognised as being sacrosanct, thereby check mating the Pakistani design of reneging from both the Shimla Accord and Karachi Agreements.

sorry .. its a draft hence wrote what came to mind while travelling .... edit as you like.

Thanks

And check this out. Few are aware of the ground realities. I wonder why the govt of India and our media don't highlight these facts?

Separatism vs the truth of separatists

Separatist control only 5 districts = 15% of Jammu, Kashmir & Ladakh which are Sunnis Muslim areas.

The Shiais, Sufis, Hindus, Buddhists and Christians are not separatists.

Two of the three regions of J&K are not Muslim majority areas. 85,000 square kilometers are not…When you talk of separatism, there haven’t been any protests against India in this 85 per cent area till date.

There’s only one section of community—Kashmiri-speaking Sunni Muslims who are propagating separatism. When you see a TV debate on Kashmir, who do you see? Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti, Yasin Malik, Shabbir Shah, Gilani, Asiya Andrabi, and Lone. All Sunni Muslims! The press never invites the Kashmiri Shiais, Sufis, Hindus, Buddhists and Christians to appear on their programs. WHY?

When Afzal Guru was hanged, the media made it appear as if the entire state was out on the streets.The reality was that out of 22 districts, there was not a single demonstration in 17 districts and only five districts faced mild demonstrations.

Poonch has 90 per cent Muslims but this district is dominated by powerful Sikhs. Kargil has 90 per cent Muslims, Kargil city has more than 99 per cent Muslims but there was not a single protest in those areas.

Separatism, dispute and autonomy are three myths associated with the state, as the common perception is that J&K is a separatist state. This is because J&K is perceived first as just Kashmir — a Kashmir which is a Muslim Kashmir, a Sunni Muslim Kashmir which is a separatist Kashmir…basically a Kashmir where the Indian tricolor is burnt down and Pakistan’s flag is unfurled only in five districts.

The State should be considered as one entity to include Jammu (with maximum of the ground area), Ladakh and only thereafter Kashmir.

And Pakistan keeps harping on the UN Resolutions. How many have even read it? It clearly mentions in Part II that Pakistan has to withdraw ALL its troops and nationals involved in the fighting in J&K before a plebiscite is held. That was in 1947. It is now 2016. Pakistan is yet to comply but they keep up the charade that India is not complying with the UN Resolutions!!

The world knows this and therefore cares a fig about Pakistani propaganda on Kashmir in international forums. I daresay they've made a laughing stock of themselves.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I don't need your lecture on bureaucracy. First withdraw your forces from our lands and justify genocide of innocent Kashmirs then talk about human rights.
We have a religious right to defend our self and oppose aggressors. We will hit the handlers of puppet government and forces where ever we found them.

Keep religion in its place and we will do fine. You have no religious right to cross borders.

Any aggression by armed forces will be dealt with as before; they will be shot dead within 90 days or less. Any aggression by uniformed troops will be dealt with as before; they will be defeated, and their dead bodies given military funerals or returned for proper disposal to their parent units or selected representatives. Any verbal aggression on PDF will be dealt with as before; with contempt at paper warriors who have never heard a shot fired in anger and vent their spleen in these fora.

 

[Hellfire]

Any aggression by armed forces will be dealt with as before; they will be shot dead within 90 days or less. Any aggression by uniformed troops will be dealt with as before; they will be defeated, and their dead bodies given military funerals or returned for proper disposal to their parent units or selected representatives. Any verbal aggression on PDF will be dealt with as before; with contempt at paper warriors who have never heard a shot fired in anger and vent their spleen in these fora.

Too good!!!

LOL!!! Eloquent ... indeed!!!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Too good!!!

LOL!!! Eloquent ... indeed!!!

What do you mean? It's straight talk, not intended for effect. I got mad at the religion remark; I have a couple of dozen Kashmiri friends who are observant Muslims.

That slimy crack was quite uncalled for, and insults my friends' religion. I really felt bad, reading it.

 

[Hellfire]

What do you mean? It's straight talk, not intended for effect. I got mad at the religion remark; I have a couple of dozen Kashmiri friends who are observant Muslims.

That slimy crack was quite uncalled for, and insults my friends' religion. I really felt bad, reading it.

That is why!!!

Am one of the secular models in India, have being going to mandir, church and masjid in clockwork precision if you get my drift. So before I could even take the trouble to put the gentleman in the right place .. your eloquence did it admirably ..


Much appreciated, the erudition displayed!

It was - as they say - awesome!

 

[Burhan Wani]

 

[Burhan Wani]

Keep religion in its place and we will do fine. You have no religious right to cross borders.

Any aggression by armed forces will be dealt with as before; they will be shot dead within 90 days or less. Any aggression by uniformed troops will be dealt with as before; they will be defeated, and their dead bodies given military funerals or returned for proper disposal to their parent units or selected representatives. Any verbal aggression on PDF will be dealt with as before; with contempt at paper warriors who have never heard a shot fired in anger and vent their spleen in these fora.

We don't believe in borders entire earth is a property of Almighty and faithful are responsible to impose law assigned according to Sharia, for Kashmir I say we are local residents, and we don't consider borders as a diminution. Foreign occupiers are creating trouble here and now risking their lives. We consider Kashmir pandits as a local residents and we have our own rules to rule them according to minority law of Islam.
Your country believe in aggression and idol worshipers are involved in muslim genocide at Kashmir since 1830. Now we have a platform to avenge, first absorb pain of Pathan kot attack then demand more.
Our policies are very flexible and our stance is soft. Your country should withdraw it's troops, if not then wait for wrath and more attacks.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We don't believe in borders entire earth is a property of Almighty and faithful are responsible to impose law assigned according to Sharia, for Kashmir I say we are local residents, and we don't consider borders as a diminution. Foreign occupiers are creating trouble here and now risking their lives. We consider Kashmir pandits as a local residents and we have our own rules to rule them according to minority law of Islam.
Your country believe in aggression and idol worshipers are involved in muslim genocide at Kashmir since 1830. Now we have a platform to avenge, first absorb pain of Pathan kot attack then demand more.
Our policies are very flexible and our stance is soft. Your country should withdraw it's troops, if not then wait for wrath and more attacks.

Come over. You don't need a visa, since you don't believe in borders, and since you consider yourselves as local residents. The law assigned according to Sharia is applicable only to your own country,not to ours; we don't believe in any law not in our constitution. So you may be shot at the border (the one that you don't consider) by a border guard, or by the Army, in a friendly kind of way. Or within the next 90 days, most likely by a policeman.

As far as you jokers are concerned, you are not Kashmiri, you are foreigners settled in a tiny corner of what became the country of Kashmir when that corner was conquered by the Sikhs, then taken over by the Dogras. You have nothing in common with the people of the valley except your religion, and that does not make you Kashmiris, just misguided people making a noise for nothing.

What you consider Kashmiri Pandits is of no consequence. They are full citizens of India, have full rights as Indian citizens, and will not be enslaved by foreigners, today or tomorrow or till infinity. So take your rules and shove them up. Even in your own country, those rules don't apply. All you can do to your minorities is to violate your laws and brutalise them.

Our country believes in the rule of law. Our laws are set in our constitution, and that is sovereign, and nothing and nobody else. We do not believe in aggression. We fought for and won our independence, yours as well as our own country's, largely using non-violent means, while your leaders kept themselves out of jail, out of the struggle and concentrated on convincing the British that they were owed a great deal by the British due to the enormous hardship that they would undergo in future in an independent state, and you yourselves served as lackeys of the British, fighting their wars for money. You did nothing for your own independence except to take advantage of the turmoil and disturbances during the end of British rule to take arms from your army and slaughter the administrators and soldiers who were placed among you by your legitimate authority, the authority responsible for Kashmir, and joined Pakistan, against the law that granted both Pakistan and ourselves independence. Your basic position is illegal.

As far as your flexible policies and your soft stance is concerned, we have seen through that hypocrisy. It is paper thin, and in your case, did not even last a paragraph, because you could not prevent yourself from gloating over a terrorist attack at Pathankot, nor could you stop yourself from licking your lips at the prospect of more such terrorism, terrorism that you claim credit for, but that your government denies as having originated in Pakistan.

The sad part is that even this terrorism is carried out by hired assassins whom you pay, assassins who have less to do with Kashmir than even the slim thread that binds you. So all the bombast and big talk amounts to this; you are good at making brave speeches, and encouraging others to go and die for you.

You are free to do as you have been informing all and sundry that you will do: cross the border (which you don't consider a border) and come over. There are around 200 more like-minded people. You will be given up to 90 days to enjoy life in Kashmir (our Kashmir) as an armed terrorist, and shot within that period. Unfortunately, the communality of the person shooting you cannot be specified; you may be shot by a Kashmiri Sunni, by a Muslim from some other part of our country, by a Sikh, by a Christian or even by an idol-worshipper. If you are lucky, you will be buried. You may also be cremated.

Or, you can stay alive and live where you live, and write very brave posts in PDF, which everybody will applaud, and which will leave you feeling like a hero and a true freedom fighter. And you get to enjoy your tea every morning.

The choice is yours.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Come over. You don't need a visa, since you don't believe in borders, and since you consider yourselves as local residents. The law assigned according to Sharia is applicable only to your own country,not to ours; we don't believe in any law not in our constitution. So you may be shot at the border (the one that you don't consider) by a border guard, or by the Army, in a friendly kind of way. Or within the next 90 days, most likely by a policeman.

As far as you jokers are concerned, you are not Kashmiri, you are foreigners settled in a tiny corner of what became the country of Kashmir when that corner was conquered by the Sikhs, then taken over by the Dogras. You have nothing in common with the people of the valley except your religion, and that does not make you Kashmiris, just misguided people making a noise for nothing.

What you consider Kashmiri Pandits is of no consequence. They are full citizens of India, have full rights as Indian citizens, and will not be enslaved by foreigners, today or tomorrow or till infinity. So take your rules and shove them up. Even in your own country, those rules don't apply. All you can do to your minorities is to violate your laws and brutalise them.

Our country believes in the rule of law. Our laws are set in our constitution, and that is sovereign, and nothing and nobody else. We do not believe in aggression. We fought for and won our independence, yours as well as our own country's, largely using non-violent means, while your leaders kept themselves out of jail, out of the struggle and concentrated on convincing the British that they were owed a great deal by the British due to the enormous hardship that they would undergo in future in an independent state, and you yourselves served as lackeys of the British, fighting their wars for money. You did nothing for your own independence except to take advantage of the turmoil and disturbances during the end of British rule to take arms from your army and slaughter the administrators and soldiers who were placed among you by your legitimate authority, the authority responsible for Kashmir, and joined Pakistan, against the law that granted both Pakistan and ourselves independence. Your basic position is illegal.

As far as your flexible policies and your soft stance is concerned, we have seen through that hypocrisy. It is paper thin, and in your case, did not even last a paragraph, because you could not prevent yourself from gloating over a terrorist attack at Pathankot, nor could you stop yourself from licking your lips at the prospect of more such terrorism, terrorism that you claim credit for, but that your government denies as having originated in Pakistan.

The sad part is that even this terrorism is carried out by hired assassins whom you pay, assassins who have less to do with Kashmir than even the slim thread that binds you. So all the bombast and big talk amounts to this; you are good at making brave speeches, and encouraging others to go and die for you.

You are free to do as you have been informing all and sundry that you will do: cross the border (which you don't consider a border) and come over. There are around 200 more like-minded people. You will be given up to 90 days to enjoy life in Kashmir (our Kashmir) as an armed terrorist, and shot within that period. Unfortunately, the communality of the person shooting you cannot be specified; you may be shot by a Kashmiri Sunni, by a Muslim from some other part of our country, by a Sikh, by a Christian or even by an idol-worshipper. If you are lucky, you will be buried. You may also be cremated.

Or, you can stay alive and live where you live, and write very brave posts in PDF, which everybody will applaud, and which will leave you feeling like a hero and a true freedom fighter. And you get to enjoy your tea every morning.

The choice is yours.

You don't have a right to call Kashmir a part of our country so your claim is false and bogus. In Kashmir muslims are in majority so we have a legitimate reason to impose Islamic law and rules. I repeatedly mentioned here that AJK were liberated to free occupied parts and our activities and stance will remain as it is, it is up to you to withdraw your troops or call more violence in the region.
Pathan kot is just a demonstration where your troops were failed to normalize the situation on time, and in future entire world will see you crying over Kashmir militancy. We will not only host militants from J&K we will provide them weapons, training, funds and man power because their cause is true and based on supreme sacrifice.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You don't have a right to call Kashmir a part of our country so your claim is false and bogus.

Talk is cheap. Unsupported statements can be made by anyone who becomes a member. As far as the law is concerned, I doubt that you will get a hearing. The UN has dropped this already.

In Kashmir muslims are in majority so we have a legitimate reason to impose Islamic law and rules.

In Kashmir, the constitution of J&K has all the sovereignty that was not handed over to India by the prince ruling, so there is no right to impose any law not recognised by that constitution.

I repeatedly mentioned here that AJK were liberated to free occupied parts and our activities and stance will remain as it is, it is up to you to withdraw your troops or call more violence in the region.

And you repeatedly failed to mention the circumstances; the complete lassitude when acting against British rule, the cooperation with the British in every way, sellling yourselves for money, the treacherous attacks with arms and ammunitions supplied by the Army.

It is up to us to maintain law and order in the parts that we administer, and to take over the tiny little fringe that is Azad Kashmir when the time comes. It is to be hoped that it will be a violence-free take over, but in either case, it will be a take over.

Pathan kot is just a demonstration where your troops were failed to normalize the situation on time, and in future entire world will see you crying over Kashmir militancy.

It is good to see such frank admissions, although your government does not agree with you. I presume your predictions of the future will soon be based on your experiences of the past; at the moment, there is a disconnect.

We will not only host militants from J&K we will provide them weapons, training, funds and man power because their cause is true and based on supreme sacrifice.

You mean that you will fight to the last Kashmiri? Or do you mean that since your hosting facilities remain empty due to the lack of Kashmiri 'militants', you will host 'militants' from the Punjab and provide them weapons, training and funds, as a substitute for Kashmirs. You mentioned manpower; have you sent anyone in? Any plans? Or did that slip in accidentally?

 

[Burhan Wani]

Talk is cheap. Unsupported statements can be made by anyone who becomes a member. As far as the law is concerned, I doubt that you will get a hearing. The UN has dropped this already.

In Kashmir, the constitution of J&K has all the sovereignty that was not handed over to India by the prince ruling, so there is no right to impose any law not recognised by that constitution.

And you repeatedly failed to mention the circumstances; the complete lassitude when acting against British rule, the cooperation with the British in every way, sellling yourselves for money, the treacherous attacks with arms and ammunitions supplied by the Army.

It is up to us to maintain law and order in the parts that we administer, and to take over the tiny little fringe that is Azad Kashmir when the time comes. It is to be hoped that it will be a violence-free take over, but in either case, it will be a take over.

It is good to see such frank admissions, although your government does not agree with you. I presume your predictions of the future will soon be based on your experiences of the past; at the moment, there is a disconnect.
You mean that you will fight to the last Kashmiri? Or do you mean that since your hosting facilities remain empty due to the lack of Kashmiri 'militants', you will host 'militants' from the Punjab and provide them weapons, training and funds, as a substitute for Kashmirs. You mentioned manpower; have you sent anyone in? Any plans? Or did that slip in accidentally?

Show me the evidence on which you claim J&K Indian Territory are you aware of history or want some study material to read. Maharaja of Kashmir was a brutal warlord, he lost his dominance in our region, defeated badly and were thrown out with his allies. You will have same fate honestly speaking your forces cannot counter a Pathankot attack how will you face full fledged war. Don't underestimate the power of Azad Kashmir, it is the land where heads of your soldiers paraded as a war trophy and from that time you are planning to take over but still cry in front of world or over media .
For your information we have a training facility across the border under the nose of your forces and still LOC crossing is not very difficult assignment. Still motivated youngsters cross border to provide every possible help to local militants and they are not only belong to Azad Kashmir but every corner of the world.

Again i say it is good for you to withdraw your forces and stop supporting puppet government of Kashmir otherwise you are inviting ISIS like treatment for your forces. Believe me local oppressed youngsters are more towards ISIS and they will stop joining AJK based militant organisations in future. I told you our stance is very soft and we prevent to attack soft targets such as families of occupied forces and police force but you know ISIS will not tolerate in this regard and they will create problem for both of us. Choice is yours.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Show me the evidence on which you claim J&K Indian Territory are you aware of history or want some study material to read. Maharaja of Kashmir was a brutal warlord, he lost his dominance in our region, defeated badly and were thrown out with his allies.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1947/30/pdfs/ukpga_19470030_en.pdf

Apparently you claim that the foundation of his power was military conquest and after that military suppression of the people. Apparently, you gained your own freedom through military revolt. You should then have no difficulty in understanding that you have no further claim unless you win it militarily. That you have tried and that you have failed to achieve in 69 years. If you wish to keep trying, you are welcome. But read us no sermons. You have no rights other than what you have grabbed through military means, so you have no rights further until you win military victories.

You will have same fate honestly speaking your forces cannot counter a Pathankot attack how will you face full fledged war.

First, do not use words like honest in your statements. It will make decent men vomit.

Second, it is not clear what you mean by cope. I take it that you think our response to Pathankot was inadequate because we did not brutalise the dead bodies of those whom we killed. Nothing else was left to be done.

Third, we have faced full-fledged war, taking Poonch back in the first instance, from you and your allies. And we have faced it three times after that. Which full-fledged war did you win?

Don't underestimate the power of Azad Kashmir, it is the land where heads of your soldiers paraded as a war trophy and from that time you are planning to take over but still cry in front of world or over media

No, you are the biggest braggarts and the smallest performers in the sub-continent. The Bangladeshis proved themselves better soldiers than you, but they talk less about what they will do, they do things and show us. They are also better citizens in peace; they have built a flourishing economy, and yours is run by remittances.

For your information we have a training facility across the border under the nose of your forces and still LOC crossing is not very difficult assignment. Still motivated youngsters cross border to provide every possible help to local militants and they are not only belong to Azad Kashmir but every corner of the world.

For your information, all this is well-known. Unlike you, we are not gangsters and we believe in proceeding lawfully. Just for your better understanding, your training facilities, not facility, are known and have been located. Also, we have said all along that the armed terrorists entering are terrorists, not Kashmiris, and we already know that they belong to the Punjab, a handful from Azad Kashmir and a few more from all corners of the world. Nothing different from Al Qaeda or Daesh.

Again i say it is good for you to withdraw your forces and stop supporting puppet government of Kashmir otherwise you are inviting ISIS like treatment for your forces.

The government of Jammu and Kashmir is a legitimate one with its own constitution and with elections. You should put things in order in your part of the former state of Kashmir. Charity begins at home.

Believe me local oppressed youngsters are more towards ISIS and they will stop joining AJK based militant organisations in future.

Unlike you, I meet them regularly and talk to them every day. So don't bother to tell me what they do and do not want. It is better that you learn for yourself.

I told you our stance is very soft and we prevent to attack soft targets such as families of occupied forces and police force but you know ISIS will not tolerate in this regard and they will create problem for both of us. Choice is yours.

Try not to talk rubbish. There have been frequent attacks on the wives and children of our forces. So your big talk of soft stance and ISIS is absolutely useless talk from a pretentious non-participant, who can only talk and who can do nothing but that.

 

[Burhan Wani]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1947/30/pdfs/ukpga_19470030_en.pdf

Apparently you claim that the foundation of his power was military conquest and after that military suppression of the people. Apparently, you gained your own freedom through military revolt. You should then have no difficulty in understanding that you have no further claim unless you win it militarily. That you have tried and that you have failed to achieve in 69 years. If you wish to keep trying, you are welcome. But read us no sermons. You have no rights other than what you have grabbed through military means, so you have no rights further until you win military victories.



First, do not use words like honest in your statements. It will make decent men vomit.

Second, it is not clear what you mean by cope. I take it that you think our response to Pathankot was inadequate because we did not brutalise the dead bodies of those whom we killed. Nothing else was left to be done.

Third, we have faced full-fledged war, taking Poonch back in the first instance, from you and your allies. And we have faced it three times after that. Which full-fledged war did you win?



No, you are the biggest braggarts and the smallest performers in the sub-continent. The Bangladeshis proved themselves better soldiers than you, but they talk less about what they will do, they do things and show us. They are also better citizens in peace; they have built a flourishing economy, and yours is run by remittances.



For your information, all this is well-known. Unlike you, we are not gangsters and we believe in proceeding lawfully. Just for your better understanding, your training facilities, not facility, are known and have been located. Also, we have said all along that the armed terrorists entering are terrorists, not Kashmiris, and we already know that they belong to the Punjab, a handful from Azad Kashmir and a few more from all corners of the world. Nothing different from Al Qaeda or Daesh.



The government of Jammu and Kashmir is a legitimate one with its own constitution and with elections. You should put things in order in your part of the former state of Kashmir. Charity begins at home.



Unlike you, I meet them regularly and talk to them every day. So don't bother to tell me what they do and do not want. It is better that you learn for yourself.



Try not to talk rubbish. There have been frequent attacks on the wives and children of our forces. So your big talk of soft stance and ISIS is absolutely useless talk from a pretentious non-participant, who can only talk and who can do nothing but that.

1947 Revolt was a glorious victory and armed struggle is the only mean to get freedom. We avenged the massacre of 1830 right after 117 years at least we didn't give up and gain our freedom. Our first enemy was Maharaja of Kashmir and his name has been erased from this world, confess his defeat even you became his successor and didn't achieve to bring back his monarch.
I admit that we initiated full fledged war to take occupied territory at least we tried against a superior military. When you are going to wage such expedition every time when we send mujahideen to attack your forces stationed at Kashmir you can only protest and cry in front of the world not more than it even your fire power is stronger but haven't guts to cross border and get AJK back or destroy dozen training camps hosted there.
Volunteers came from entire world but currently they are focused to another war and will return to other front soon. A question is can you face more violence in J&K currently local militants are out of your control, they attack your installations every day and you have nothing to cry and make propaganda from it.
Show me a single evidence regarding attack on soft targets e.g women and children. You have to admit that our nature is softer than Taliban and other Islamist militant groups, i think this is the only weakness we have and you will realize my claims regarding ISIS empowerment in this region on day.

 

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Fact check the movement for liberation of Kashmir is as old as partition it just took a militant turn in the 80,s