You didn't understood what I mean. I meant Pakistan offered you that we both take our forces out from Kashmir and let kashmir decide what they want.(1)
Go and read what UN said for Kashmir and we are ready to do it and you guys always run from it.(2)
Is India really democratic? Is this the reason you guys have kept 7,00,000 troops (3) in kashmir to kill those who raise their voice? Is this the reason you guys kill kashmiris everyday? (4) Man the entire world knows Indian occupied kashmir need freedom. At every kashmir day, kashmiris in kashmir and worldwide protest to get rid of your India.(5)
Go and tell your lies to someone else I have met many kashmiris and they have personally told me what your army do there. He also told me how brutally you don't allow them to raise their voice.(6)
I am not interested in arguing with someone who isn't ready to accept facts which are clearly visible. (7) Go and tell to someone else who will believe that india is a democratic country where PM is one who killed thousands of muslims in gujrat.(8) India is the worst country in the world for minorities now and you are making baseless claims? (9) Uffffff
(1) An old story cooked up by your Diplomats, and completely untrue. Pakistan offered no such thing, if you are referring to the situation in 1947-48. In fact the reverse. I suggest that you look at the original UN Resolution which wanted Pakistan to withdraw and for the plebiscite to be held thereafter. I suggest also that you take the trouble to look through the proceedings of the Plebiscite Commission which came and sat in futile discomfort while your diplomats refused to move their troops a millimetre.
(2) I have in fact read the entire narrative, with the original documents, and have a fairly clear view. Have you read the Resolution? Are you denying that Pakistani forces, regular and other armed combatants, were to be withdrawn?
(3) Your arithmetic is on par with your logic. There are three Army Corps in Kashmir; count how many troops that is.And count how many are on the actual LOC and the corresponding LAC facing China. Do your homework before getting hysterical.
(4) You forget to mention that the vast bulk of those killed are Punjabis trained for terrorism and infiltrated. They also form the vast bulk, almost the entire population of the graveyards where people cannot be identified. Largely because they are not Kashmiris in the first place. You also forgot to look at the number of killings by the terrorists; that includes, for your kind information, the father of the present leader of the 'soft' Hurriyet, and Abdul Ghani Lone. In both cases, the sons have become active members of the separatist factions; any guesses why?
(5) Given the kind of money that has been pouring into Kashmir for the last thirty years, there is nothing very surprising about this.
(6) The difference between your fanciful narrative and mine is that mine is based on actual interaction. Frequent physical presence, and daily interaction.
(7) In that case, please feel free to go climb your left leg.
(8) That remains true, and it also remains true, if you know anything about this forum and Indians present there, that there are very many Indians who oppose the politics of exclusion.
(9) You may not even have thought about this, as you do not seem to have thought about most other things. We have a minority to worry about, minorities, in fact; you wiped yours out. Remember? Look up the percentages of your population that they were at independence, and look what you have reduced them to. And you have the cheek and gall to talk about how others treat their minorities.
For those newbies who can't help putting up their ill-founded prejudices in place of facts:
The
Government of India and the
Government of Pakistan are resolved that the two countries put an end to the conflict and confrontation that have hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of durable peace in the subcontinent so that both countries may henceforth devote their resources and energies to the pressing task of advancing the welfare of their people.
In order to achieve this objective, the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan have agreed as follows:
(i) That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the
United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries.
(ii) That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them.
Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.
(iii) That the prerequisite for reconciliation, good neighborliness and durable peace between them is a commitment by both the countries to peaceful coexistence respect for each others territorial integrity and sovereignty and noninterference in each others internal affairs, on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. That the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedeviled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 years shall be resolved by peaceful means.
(v) That they shall always respect each others national unity, territorial integrity, political independence and sovereign equality.
(vi) That in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, they will refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of each other.
Both governments will take all steps within their power to prevent hostile propaganda directed against each other. Both countries will encourage the dissemination of such information as would promote the development of friendly relations between them.
In order progressively to restore and normalize relations between the two countries step by step, it was agreed that:
(i) Steps shall be taken to resume communications, postal, telegraphic, sea, land, including border posts, and air links, including over flights.
(ii) Appropriate steps shall be taken to promote travel facilities for the nationals of the other country.
(iii) Trade and cooperation in economic and other agreed fields will be resumed as far as possible.
(iv) Exchange in the fields of science and culture will be promoted.
In this connection delegations from the two countries will meet from time to time to work out the necessary details.
In order to initiate the process of the establishment of durable peace, both the governments agree that:
(i) Indian and Pakistani forces shall be withdrawn to their side of the
international border.
(ii)
In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.
(iii) The withdrawals shall commence upon entry into force of this agreement and shall be completed within a period of 30 days thereof.
This agreement will be subject to ratification by both countries in accordance with their respective constitutional procedures, and will come into force with effect from the date on which the instruments of ratification are exchanged.
Both governments agree that their respective heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that in the meanwhile the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.
Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto President Islamic Republic of Pakistan
Indira Gandhi Prime Minister India
Simla, the 2 July 1972.
The Pakistani delegation must have been rolling in the aisles of their plane going back. How easy it is to lose the war and win the peace, when these idiot baniyas were concerned. Never mind that they beat the Pakistani armed forces; they were no match for the guile and cunning of the true warriors defending their land: the diplomats, who said whatever had to be said to get back the POWs and then did whatever they wanted.
