Was Baramulla incident a friendly fire between two groups of Indian Security forces?

[zebra7]

Ok it took me some time to read the complete article.

I am no expert of military affairs but have done some couses to understand military strategy and tactics Now I have few points I want to mention which I found in that article .

1) In the article the author claimed that india was actually conducting decoy artillery fire and decoy heli flights in order to confuse the Pakistan Military. Someone previously also mentioned the same thing . And i replied him/her back have you ever visited LOC in your life? I have in several sectors and I know after every half mile there is a Pakistan Army and rangers checkpoints and those checkpoints are supported by 15-20 men of QRF ( quick reaction force) Followed by intensive military patrols by military between those checkpoints. So first of all no one will ever sneak by and even if they do they will be immediately engaged by QRF.
2) The article mentioned three areas are hit one of the target I see is pretty damn close to indian border. It can even be taken out by single RPG fire. Let alone artillery lol. And if these targets are really militant hideouts and Pakistan is supporting them . Then it is pretty big blunder on behalf of Pakistan Military.
But these were not the militant hideout or launching pads or whatever name you want to give. As you have known by now ISI and Pakistani Military Establishment has an extensive experience of fighting proxy war with Soviet Union. And they know how to handle such proxies. They are either integrated with societies or the leadership is kept under great protection. And lauching pad concept is completely wrong tactical wise. When proxies want to invade a border they remain away and in secure position and would only be active and move close to border and move inside as fast as possible to avoid detection when they want to do something or attack.
3) The concept followed by special forces all around the world is stealth and speed when you are in hostile environment. Means you are in and out . It does not give chance for enemy forces to regroup and launch counter attack. The mentioned track for three targets in article suggests that almost take two hours for two targets to reach because of rough terrain. Now it is also mentioned that none helis were used. So means it took your forces two hours to reach target and I am guessing you would have faced some resistance because if you were firing decoy mortors and artillery. So handlers of proxies should alert them to watch as per SOP. So it may took 20-25 min to neutralize them. Then another 2 hours hike back come on dude who are we fooling here lol


Not even me dude the entire world is laughing on stupidity of your super powa India . Get a life loser . Lol

Dear Quereshi

1. The Diversion was on different Sector, and op. was carried out in different Sector. Check the images of the narratives.

2. If you are calling a SF Para actions, they kept low profile, and not only speed and stealth, you need careful planning for such operation. Lets Say the SF Para took the Sentries first with Sniper Shots, and Silence most of the terrorist while sleeping because the op took place between 12.30 AM to 4.30 AM. Yes for op. it is possible that it took 20-25 min or less, but to crawl and travel the distance, certainly takes times, and the troops return to their bases at 9.30 AM Morning.

3. There have been reports, that BAT and Rangers soldiers came for the resecue in trucks, but Indian Para were given full order to fire anyone, even PA or Rangers, and they too took the casualties. Only one Indian comando was injured due to personal mines. Now these are Media reports, and could not be verified.

4. If you think, that Pakistani Rangers and Army are not involved in Cross border terrorism, look how it is done recorded in Camera

5. Answer few Question -- If it is not Surgical Strike, then Why Can't Indian is not possible to conduct surgical Strike, and why so much panic in Pakistan, and cross border shelling are common in LOC, but why this time Pakistan ran to U.S, China and UN.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Dear Quereshi

1. The Diversion was on different Sector, and op. was carried out in different Sector. Check the images of the narratives.

2. If you are calling a SF Para actions, they kept low profile, and not only speed and stealth, you need careful planning for such operation. Lets Say the SF Para took the Sentries first with Sniper Shots, and Silence most of the terrorist while sleeping because the op took place between 12.30 AM to 4.30 AM. Yes for op. it is possible that it took 20-25 min or less, but to crawl and travel the distance, certainly takes times, and the troops return to their bases at 9.30 AM Morning.

3. There have been reports, that BAT and Rangers soldiers came for the resecue in trucks, but Indian Para were given full order to fire anyone, even PA or Rangers, and they too took the casualties. Only one Indian comando was injured due to personal mines. Now these are Media reports, and could not be verified.

1) I know decoy was in other sectors this tactics has been used several times by several militaries around the world. In Peace time situation I can understand such tactics will work but when you are in red alert situation. The entire border force is completely alert on all sectors. Also handlers who are handling the militant factions know how to alert the proxies in these conditions. And as I said we have extensive experience from Afghan jihad of 80's. They would have alerted them as soon as the decoy operation started. But I still don't believe that so called hideouts are that close to border
2) This is my main issue with the arther. How come entire company level troops entered and has been they have been able to sneak pass one of the most heavily militarized borders on planet. And done operation and it took them 9:30am in morning to reach the base . Seriously like wtf are we in some damn movie lol.
3) if Pakistan Army would have engaged them. They would not have been able to return back lol.
And now you will ask why because as per standard operation protocol the Army personal on ground would have alerted the senior officers and reinforcements would had been sent immediately. Also gunship helis and PAF fighter jets would had been air borned and reached the target area within 3 min. Because response time of PAF for any indian border is 3 min. And they would have completely fried your Special Force up lol.

 

[zebra7]

I know decoy was in other sectors this tactics has been used several times by several militaries around the world. In Peace time situation I can understand such tactics will work but when you are in red alert situation. The entire border force is completely alert on all sectors. Also handlers who are handling the militant factions know how to alert the proxies in these conditions. And as I said we have extensive experience from Afghan jihad of 80's. They would have alerted them as soon as the decoy operation started. But I still don't believe that so called hideouts are that close to border

Tell me onething, when the terrorist could cross the LOC and climb the walls of the Uri Camp, so why not Para SF commandoes, do they lack training, equipments, and capabilities.

This is my main issue with the arther. How come entire company level troops entered and has been they have been able to sneak pass one of the most heavily militarized borders on planet. And done operation and it took them 9:30am in morning to reach the base . Seriously like wtf are we in some damn movie lol.

Sorry Sir, the LOC is heavily gaurded, fenced in Indian Side, and not your Side.

I think you didn't read the narrative. It said if carefully planned, and choose the target carefully the bulge, if crossed will be 5 KM inside LOC, but the Para SF have to travel 700 Mt.

if Pakistan Army would have engaged them. They would not have been able to return back lol.
And now you will ask why because as per standard operation protocol the Army personal on ground would have alerted the senior officers and reinforcements would had been sent immediately. Also gunship helis and PAF fighter jets would had been air borned and reached the target area within 3 min. Because response time of PAF for any indian border is 3 min. And they would have completely fried your Special Force up lol.

Then you are no a Military guy. Within 3 Minute, your Pilot from the helli base can get ready and sit on the cockpit, but does not means it would reach the location and that too in night. Either you don't know anything about the SOP or acting like ignorant.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Tell me onething, when the terrorist could cross the LOC and climb the walls of the Uri Camp, so why not Para SF commandoes, do they lack training, equipments, and capabilities.

Nop i am simply making tactical analysis. In Uri your forces were completely caught by surprise. But in our case the entire border force was alert . And watching every move your military lol.


Sorry Sir, the LOC is heavily gaurded, fenced in Indian Side, and not your Side.

I think you didn't read the narrative. It said if carefully planned, and choose the target carefully the bulge, if crossed will be 5 KM inside LOC, but the Para SF have to travel 700 Mt.

Hmm Ok and I think you didn't read my reply carefully I.e. there is a military post and check point of Pakistan Army and rangers every half a mile away . And it is followed by QRF of 15-20 men in state of red alert. And no matter what happens you don't keep the same militant or proxy hideouts so much near to border . The rule which we learned from Afghan war.

Then you are no a Military guy. Within 3 Minute, your Pilot from the helli base can get ready and sit on the cockpit, but does not means it would reach the location and that too in night. Either you don't know anything about the SOP or acting like ignorant.

Haha OMG and when did I told you I am a military guy. I told you I took few courses in national defense academy out of my own interest. I would recommend you first of all read what does red alert or Pakistan version of defcon 2 means. Then come back with you silly justifications lol

 

[zebra7]

Haha OMG and when did I told you I am a military guy. I told you I took few courses in national defense academy out of my own interest. I would recommend you first of all read what does red alert or Pakistan version of defcon 2 means. Then come back with you silly justifications lol

Worthless to reply.

 

[Tipu7]

Worthless to reply.

When ever you lose argument, you hide your defeat behind "worthless to comment" sentence.....

 

[zebra7]

When ever you lose argument, you hide your defeat behind "worthless to comment" sentence.....

Paksai Paksai Kaam Garsai

This is in Korsur/Kashmiri ask you Kashmiri brother what does this mean

 

[hacker J]

matlab kuch bhi bhai jab koi gun dikhaega jakr pyar se poochna janab naam kya hai apka

 

[danger007]

Ok it took me some time to read the complete article.

I am no expert of military affairs but have done some couses to understand military strategy and tactics Now I have few points I want to mention which I found in that article .

1) In the article the author claimed that india was actually conducting decoy artillery fire and decoy heli flights in order to confuse the Pakistan Military. Someone previously also mentioned the same thing . And i replied him/her back have you ever visited LOC in your life? I have in several sectors and I know after every half mile there is a Pakistan Army and rangers checkpoints and those checkpoints are supported by 15-20 men of QRF ( quick reaction force) Followed by intensive military patrols by military between those checkpoints. So first of all no one will ever sneak by and even if they do they will be immediately engaged by QRF.
2) The article mentioned three areas are hit one of the target I see is pretty damn close to indian border. It can even be taken out by single RPG fire. Let alone artillery lol. And if these targets are really militant hideouts and Pakistan is supporting them . Then it is pretty big blunder on behalf of Pakistan Military.
But these were not the militant hideout or launching pads or whatever name you want to give. As you have known by now ISI and Pakistani Military Establishment has an extensive experience of fighting proxy war with Soviet Union. And they know how to handle such proxies. They are either integrated with societies or the leadership is kept under great protection. And lauching pad concept is completely wrong tactical wise. When proxies want to invade a border they remain away and in secure position and would only be active and move close to border and move inside as fast as possible to avoid detection when they want to do something or attack.
3) The concept followed by special forces all around the world is stealth and speed when you are in hostile environment. Means you are in and out . It does not give chance for enemy forces to regroup and launch counter attack. The mentioned track for three targets in article suggests that almost take two hours for two targets to reach because of rough terrain. Now it is also mentioned that none helis were used. So means it took your forces two hours to reach target and I am guessing you would have faced some resistance because if you were firing decoy mortors and artillery. So handlers of proxies should alert them to watch as per SOP. So it may took 20-25 min to neutralize them. Then another 2 hours hike back come on dude who are we fooling here lol


Not even me dude the entire world is laughing on stupidity of your super powa India . Get a life loser . Lol

Hilarious... Most of p5 countries asked Pakistan to stop cross boarder terrorism.. in which parallel world you are living, buffoon .. lol




Russia on Monday condemned the terror attack on an army camp in Jammu and Kashmir and said it is “concerned about the fact that, according to New Delhi, the army base was attacked from Pakistani territory”.

In a statement, Russia’s ministry of foreign affairs said that the “criminal act” should be investigated properly and that “its organisers and perpetrators be held accountable”.

“We strongly condemn the attack against an army base in Jammu and Kashmir’s Uri. We offer our condolences to the families of the victims and wish a rapid recovery to all those injured,” the statement said, according to the Russian Embassy in Delhi.

Meanwhile, France condemned the terror attack and called for “decisive action” against terror groups targetting India, especially the Lashkare Toiba, the Jaishe Mohammed, and the Hizbul Mujahideen.

In a statement, the deputy spokesperson of the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Development, said that nothing can justify terrorism and that Paris remains “at the side of our strategic partner, India, for fighting this scourge”.

Separately, skirting direct reference to Pakistan and JeM, China voiced concern over “escalation” of tensions and “rising temperatures” in Kashmir after the terror attack and called on India and Pakistan to resolve their differences through dialogue, says a Beijing report.

“We have noted relevant reports. We are shocked by this attack,” Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lu Kang said when asked about Beijing’s reaction to Sunday’s Uri attack.

JeM has special significance as Beijing has put a technical hold over India’s efforts to bring about a UN ban on the outfit’s leader Masood Azhar for his involvement in Pathankot attack.

Meanwhile, the global community stood behind India following the attack, with the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon saying the perpetrators would be brought to justice.

Canada also condemned the attack and said they stand with India in the fight against terrorism, as international denunciation continued to pour in against the brazen assault.


http://omantribune.com/details/11478/


Yet your talking like world buy your argument....

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Hilarious... Most of p5 countries asked Pakistan to stop cross boarder terrorism.. in which parallel world you are living, buffoon .. lol




Russia on Monday condemned the terror attack on an army camp in Jammu and Kashmir and said it is “concerned about the fact that, according to New Delhi, the army base was attacked from Pakistani territory”.

In a statement, Russia’s ministry of foreign affairs said that the “criminal act” should be investigated properly and that “its organisers and perpetrators be held accountable”.

“We strongly condemn the attack against an army base in Jammu and Kashmir’s Uri. We offer our condolences to the families of the victims and wish a rapid recovery to all those injured,” the statement said, according to the Russian Embassy in Delhi.

Meanwhile, France condemned the terror attack and called for “decisive action” against terror groups targetting India, especially the Lashkare Toiba, the Jaishe Mohammed, and the Hizbul Mujahideen.

In a statement, the deputy spokesperson of the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Development, said that nothing can justify terrorism and that Paris remains “at the side of our strategic partner, India, for fighting this scourge”.

Separately, skirting direct reference to Pakistan and JeM, China voiced concern over “escalation” of tensions and “rising temperatures” in Kashmir after the terror attack and called on India and Pakistan to resolve their differences through dialogue, says a Beijing report.

“We have noted relevant reports. We are shocked by this attack,” Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lu Kang said when asked about Beijing’s reaction to Sunday’s Uri attack.

JeM has special significance as Beijing has put a technical hold over India’s efforts to bring about a UN ban on the outfit’s leader Masood Azhar for his involvement in Pathankot attack.

Meanwhile, the global community stood behind India following the attack, with the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon saying the perpetrators would be brought to justice.

Canada also condemned the attack and said they stand with India in the fight against terrorism, as international denunciation continued to pour in against the brazen assault.


http://omantribune.com/details/11478/


Yet your talking like world buy your argument....

You know there is a saying or a norm in our country " poucha kuch hai jawab kuch day raha hai". I was explaining the Above esteemed gentleman how stupid his article of how he conducted surgical strikes in Pakistan is. And you come up with diplomacy
Now let me answer your comments. It is a general norm all around the world when any militant attack happen they condemn it. And even our PM was asked by USA to condemn it. But we didn't
And i have yet to see any Pakistani name taken from any FM other then Russian . And they are currently in the mood to troll you guys a lot. First right after the Uri attack they didn't cancel the joint exercises. And now they supported your claim that much that their army cheif mentioned next year they will conduct again lol epic fail

 

[Bravo Lion]

We can whiff from here, if they kill each other through friendly fire, then envisage in real confrontation these bunch of cowards would be roasted in their each other’s counter fire, without firing a single bullet at them from our side. LOL!

 

[danger007]

You know there is a saying or a norm in our country " poucha kuch hai jawab kuch day raha hai". I was explaining the Above esteemed gentleman how stupid his article of how he conducted surgical strikes in Pakistan is. And you come up with diplomacy
Now let me answer your comments. It is a general norm all around the world when any militant attack happen they condemn it. And even our PM was asked by USA to condemn it. But we didn't
And i have yet to see any Pakistani name taken from any FM other then Russian . And they are currently in the mood to troll you guys a lot. First right after the Uri attack they didn't cancel the joint exercises. And now they supported your claim that much that their army cheif mentioned next year they will conduct again lol epic fail

Live in denial ... nice.. keep it up..

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Live in denial ... nice.. keep it up..

we are open to everyone like open book. But problem is our good neighbors know what we do but can't do jack about it lol.

 

[GumNaam]

Okay dude, there needs to be an epic rap battle video between General Raheel Sharif and pardham mentally modi. I would love to see that one!

 

[danger007]

we are open to everyone like open book. But problem is our good neighbors know what we do but can't do jack about it lol.

OBL raid never happened in Pakistan..