Vladimir Putin slams Turkey for shooting down Russian warplane near Syrian border

[Azeri440]

I'm talking about in a worse case (presumingly giving Turkish the benefit of doubts that their radar is right and Russia is wrong. Still you don't shoot an aircraft already pass your territory. The rule of engagement is to escort. Now the Turk change this rule of engagement and I fear for the future (especially Vietnam) operating near our boarder because you know what happen when you accidentally across over our boarder, we are going to shoot you down even if you are flying back to Vietnam territory.LOL

\who said they shot when Russian aircraft passed the border? the missile was fired when Su-24 entered the Turkish air space by the time it reached it's target , the Su-24 was already in Syrian airspace

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

I bet I have more cockpit time than you do, son.

Proof or it didn't happen. Anyone can make up stuff on the internet.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

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[LeGenD]

Wakeup friend ,
& check recent history of Russia ,s military answers to NATO Georgia ,Ukraine ? No war right ?lolzz
Pressure will mount on turkey , to save NATO & its allies created proxy terrorist group called USIS ?
They been butcherd by Russians past few weeks from the air ?
Their ability to fight against Assad's law full govt is becoming zero , their supplies from turkey been targeted , that was the reason why Russian airforce was monitoring the borders with turkey , go check where the jet fell is that in turkey or sirya , who stupid forged records what turks are singing now has no value against a naked proof , where is the jet now ?
I.mean which side , siryan or Turkish ?
Russia will react ,strongly but with strong planing , its not some old communist general which turkey is up against , its valadimer Putin , the silent warrior , west knows him you don't ?

Georgia and Ukraine are independent countries that have nothing to do with NATO. They are on good terms with the WEST but they are likely to get limited support in difficult times. By limited support, I assume consultancy, limited Intel sharing and option to purchase some weapons.

Turkey is a member of NATO alliance and it has sent a message to Russian leadership that NATO is to be taken seriously. Turkey have [full] access to important NATO related assets and support (political and military).

I believe that their is a greater purpose behind this incident. NATO wants to set its terms on the table with Russia on the matters concerning Syria.

 

[EAK]

Turkey has nothing to defend against Russian air launched, ship launched and ground launched cruise missiles.

The command and control centres in Turkey will get comptely destroyed. Su-30, Su-35 fighters will take care of those old F-16s.

Turkey is bringing a knife to a gun fight with Russia. If Russia decides to use full military force, Turkey will be squashed like a bug within a couple of days.

Do you really think it's logical .. ... in my opinion russia can not afford a war right now..

 

[Viper0011.]

NATO will never fight Russia on behalf of Turkey. You can take that to the bank.

West is not going to suffer WW3 fighting for a rogue Muslim country.

Russia vs Turkey will be that, no NATO involvement whatsoever.

Last time an economically strong Russia did this, it went from the USSR to the Russia. This time a bankrupt Russia wants to do something stupid, it'll go from Russia to Republic of Moscow!!!!

Too much propaganda going on from you. A close to bankrupt Russia won't fight anyone either. NATO will over match whatever number the Russians place in Syria or Iran. Currently, they put 4 SU-30's, NATO sent 6 highly upgraded F-15's.

NATO is ALREADY working with Turkey and the F-15's were sent weeks ago, the second they found out the SU-30's were on the ground. If the Russians had sent 50 SU-30's, you'd see the number of NATO jets stationed in Turkey to be 50 or more.

Like I said, you can keep your Chinese propaganda mill running. But when the Russians really response, you can come tell me about it. Till then, its one of those Chinese fairy tales, with the Dragon and the Bear exhaling fire at a Mountain. And the Mountain could give a less fukk of how much "little flames" are thrown at it. The mountain in this scenario is the NATO.

The Turks are setting a precedent now. Any aircraft that cross another country even by 1 inches will get chased down and shot. Is this the new rule of the sky now by our NATO (No Action, Talk Only) organization? LOL

Are you really lacking this much brain power or have you not seen countries in peacetime and war? This is a War like situation. Its not the first time the Russians did it. It was however the last time they did it as they learned the lesson. Turkey ain't Georgia or Ukraine. She can alone take out half the top end Russian fighters if a war started. In a few years, Turkey would be the only nation besides the US, to have the F-35 and a TFX stealth jet, build by them., fielded operational. They produced F-16's themselves so they can start to crank out 50 more latest blocks within the 12 months, if need be.

The Russians tried to troll Turkey for a few weeks, thinking Turkey will be submissive to the Russians. Since yesterday, Mr. Putin is screaming "stab in the back" LOL. If he had "other" military options, he'd have ordered him. Not make statements.

The ONLY "ORDERS" that the Kremlin issued, were to stay the fukk away and respect the 10 mile boundary line to ALL Russian flying assets. That tells me what Turks did, was needed to put an end to growing Russian aggression and trolling of other countries airspace. Every nation in this situation has a right to defend herself.

I asked other Chinese members and they go to sleep on my question and don't response. Will China let a Japanese jet troll your coastal border for 10 minutes? Or a Taiwanese jet in this case?

 

[gambit]

I'm talking about in a worse case (presumingly giving Turkish the benefit of doubts that their radar is right and Russia is wrong. Still you don't shoot an aircraft already pass your territory. The rule of engagement is to escort. Now the Turk change this rule of engagement and I fear for the future (especially Vietnam) operating near our boarder because you know what happen when you accidentally across over our boarder, we are going to shoot you down even if you are flying back to Vietnam territory.LOL

Wrong. There can be -- and do have -- different responses for the same action.

What you do not seems to understand -- despite that supposedly 'high Chinese IQ' -- is that repeated violations of a neutral power's territory by an engaged belligerent can -- and will -- be construed by other engaged belligerents and observers that said neutral power is not so neutral after all.

The Avalon Project - Laws of War : Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and Persons in Case of War on Land (Hague V); October 18, 1907

Art. 2.

Belligerents are forbidden to move troops or convoys of either munitions of war or supplies across the territory of a neutral Power.

Because by moving war materiel across the territory of a neutral power is a tacit admission that 'I have an ally in X country'. One or two violations, and they can be excused by other belligerents and observers. But repeated violations ? No.

Art. 5.

A neutral Power must not allow any of the acts referred to in Articles 2 to 4 to occur on its territory.

It is not called upon to punish acts in violation of its neutrality unless the said acts have been committed on its own territory.

Aircrafts and ships in transit thru a neutral power's territory can -- and will -- be construed as 'silent participation' by other belligerents and observers. To them, how can they know that Turkey did not provide refueling services to Russian aircrafts ? Even allowing the pilots to take toilet breaks on Turkish soil could be interpreted as alliance under (violation) Article 2.

If Turkey do not pursue the Russian aircraft, Turkey WILL be seen as compliant to Russia's will.

Again...Would you like me to prove you wrong about this issue by using a real world real war situation ?

I asked other Chinese members and they go to sleep on my question and don't response. Will China let a Japanese jet troll your coastal border for 10 minutes? Or a Taiwanese jet in this case?

The answer will be 'That is different'.

Of course it will be different. That would be Chinese territory and accepted international understanding do not apply, or are applicable as China allows it.

These ya-hoos do not seems to understand that in peacetime, countries already demands obedience to their airspace via the 'identification zones'. It is only because the interlopers are civilian aircrafts with known schedules that no military responses are sent. But since this is a combat zone, there would be no schedules with predictable flight behaviors and the only known flights, or as much as can be ascertained, will be military flights loaded with weapons. The only countries that will allow transit will be alliance countries, not supposedly neutral parties.

 

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Turkish Chief of staff Gen. Hulusi Akar receiving PURPLE HEART from US Armed Forces Command Gen. Ray Odierno.

nuff said.

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Last time an economically strong Russia did this, it went from the USSR to the Russia. This time a bankrupt Russia wants to do something stupid, it'll go from Russia to Republic of Moscow!!!!

Too much propaganda going on from you. A close to bankrupt Russia won't fight anyone either. NATO will over match whatever number the Russians place in Syria or Iran. Currently, they put 4 SU-30's, NATO sent 6 highly upgraded F-15's.

NATO is ALREADY working with Turkey and the F-15's were sent weeks ago, the second they found out the SU-30's were on the ground. If the Russians had sent 50 SU-30's, you'd see the number of NATO jets stationed in Turkey to be 50 or more.

Like I said, you can keep your Chinese propaganda mill running. But when the Russians really response, you can come tell me about it. Till then, its one of those Chinese fairy tales, with the Dragon and the Bear exhaling fire at a Mountain. And the Mountain could give a less fukk of how much "little flames" are thrown at it. The mountain in this scenario is the NATO.



Are you really lacking this much brain power or have you not seen countries in peacetime and war? This is a War like situation. Its not the first time the Russians did it. It was however the last time they did it as they learned the lesson. Turkey ain't Georgia or Ukraine. She can alone take out half the top end Russian fighters if a war started. In a few years, Turkey would be the only nation besides the US, to have the F-35 and a TFX stealth jet, build by them., fielded operational. They produced F-16's themselves so they can start to crank out 50 more latest blocks within the 12 months, if need be.

The Russians tried to troll Turkey for a few weeks, thinking Turkey will be submissive to the Russians. Since yesterday, Mr. Putin is screaming "stab in the back" LOL. If he had "other" military options, he'd have ordered him. Not make statements.

The ONLY "ORDERS" that the Kremlin issued, were to stay the fukk away and respect the 10 mile boundary line to ALL Russian flying assets. That tells me what Turks did, was needed to put an end to growing Russian aggression and trolling of other countries airspace. Every nation in this situation has a right to defend herself.

I asked other Chinese members and they go to sleep on my question and don't response. Will China let a Japanese jet troll your coastal border for 10 minutes? Or a Taiwanese jet in this case?

LOL, you really are brainwashed aren't you little boy, NATO will never have the nut sack to touch Russia in a war for Turkey......ever!

NATO war with Russia will mean use of nuclear weapons, you can wave your little treaties all you want, but when it comes to actually going to all out war with Russia, NATO don't have the guts for an all out confrontation. Russian nuclear arsenal can wipe out the entire Western world multiple times. The West is not suicidal to end everything it built to fight for a rogue Muslim regime because of a treaty.
NATO will never go to war with Russia. That's a one of the 3 certainties in life after death and taxes.

This will be Turkey vs Russia, and Turkey is a lamb being fed to a hyena.

US don't even have the guts to destroy the military constructions in the SCS by China. All the US military could come up with is flying near the islands.
That's it? Whats the point of spending $600 billion every year if you lack the balls to destroy the military facilities?

First grow a pair to destroy the military facilities by China in the SCS before you pipe dream about messing with mother Russia in an all out war that can turn the entire Western civilisation to glass.

NATO fighting Russia for Turkey LOL.....dream on

 

[rubyjackass]

Turkey is being led by idiots. Their own radar images show Russian jet as crossing a small sliver of their territory back into Syria. They had to shoot the jet down for this?! And to think the pilots were executed by the rebels backed by Turks. This is outrageous. Pilots are accorded Geneva convention treatment or at least taken and released as hostages, even in countries like Somalia.

Turkey has gone crazy. All NATO became zombie confederacy, chanting 'must remove Assad'. The same idiots keep saying ISIS is the biggest threat. They don't realize their actions are helping ISIS.

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Wrong. There can be -- and do have -- different responses for the same action.

What you do not seems to understand -- despite that supposedly 'high Chinese IQ' -- is that repeated violations of a neutral power's territory by an engaged belligerent can -- and will -- be construed by other engaged belligerents and observers that said neutral power is not so neutral after all.

The Avalon Project - Laws of War : Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and Persons in Case of War on Land (Hague V); October 18, 1907

Because by moving war materiel across the territory of a neutral power is a tacit admission that 'I have an ally in X country'. One or two violations, and they can be excused by other belligerents and observers. But repeated violations ? No.


Aircrafts and ships in transit thru a neutral power's territory can -- and will -- be construed as 'silent participation' by other belligerents and observers. To them, how can they know that Turkey did not provide refueling services to Russian aircrafts ? Even allowing the pilots to take toilet breaks on Turkish soil could be interpreted as alliance under (violation) Article 2.

If Turkey do not pursue the Russian aircraft, Turkey WILL be seen as compliant to Russia's will.

Again...Would you like me to prove you wrong about this issue by using a real world real war situation ?


The answer will be 'That is different'.

Of course it will be different. That would be Chinese territory and accepted international understanding do not apply, or are applicable as China allows it.

These ya-hoos do not seems to understand that in peacetime, countries already demands obedience to their airspace via the 'identification zones'. It is only because the interlopers are civilian aircrafts with known schedules that no military responses are sent. But since this is a combat zone, there would be no schedules with predictable flight behaviors and the only known flights, or as much as can be ascertained, will be military flights loaded with weapons. The only countries that will allow transit will be alliance countries, not supposedly neutral parties.

When are you going to provide proof of your combat experience?

Or just going to ignore me because you can't back your claims?

Proof please, I'll wait.

 

[gambit]

LOL, you really are brainwashed aren't you little boy, NATO will never have the nut sack to touch Russia in a war for Turkey......ever!

Did the Soviets have the nut sack to come to Iraq's aid ? Did China ? LOL.

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Did the Soviets have the nut sack to come to Iraq's aid ? Did China ? LOL.

China did come to North Korea's aid against America and 13 of its allies in the Korean War.

Before China entered the war, the US had full control of North Korea.
After China entered the war, the US lost control of North Korea.

A volunteer army gave the biggest military humiliation to the 'unbeatable' US military.
Sooooper powaaaaaaa LOL

Stop embarrassing yourself like you do on this forum on a regular basis.

Now, provide proof of your military experience.

 

[jerry_tan]

China did come to North Korea's aid against America and 13 of its allies in the Korean War.

Before China entered the war, the US had full control of North Korea.
After China entered the war, the US lost control of North Korea.

A volunteer army gave the biggest military humiliation to the 'unbeatable' US military.
Sooooper powaaaaaaa LOL

Stop embarrassing yourself like you do on this forum on a regular basis.

Now, provide proof of your military experience.

By sacrificing millions of communist soldiers and established the prosperous North Korea

.Dang ..you are proud of it.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

LOL, you really are brainwashed aren't you little boy, NATO will never have the nut sack to touch Russia in a war for Turkey......ever!

NATO war with Russia will mean use of nuclear weapons, you can wave your little treaties all you want, but when it comes to actually going to all out war with Russia, NATO don't have the guts for an all out confrontation. Russian nuclear arsenal can wipe out the entire Western world multiple times. The West is not suicidal to end everything it built to fight for a rogue Muslim regime because of a treaty.
NATO will never go to war with Russia. That's a one of the 3 certainties in life after death and taxes.

This will be Turkey vs Russia, and Turkey is a lamb being fed to a hyena.

US don't even have the guts to destroy the military constructions in the SCS by China. All the US military could come up with is flying near the islands.
That's it? Whats the point of spending $600 billion every year if you lack the balls to destroy the military facilities?

First grow a pair to destroy the military facilities by China in the SCS before you pipe dream about messing with mother Russia in an all out war that can turn the entire Western civilisation to glass.

NATO fighting Russia for Turkey LOL.....dream on

USSR had all the nukes of the world. What happened to it after invading Afghanistan? The Czar had the largest army in WW1. What happened after 3 years? Even during WW2, they won but lost 30m to Hitler, and almost same number to Stalin's oppression. The clue is in Russian novels- the most tragic ones in the world.

Putin should just unleash those Super Sukhois on turkey and take revenge.

No nato country is going to risk their countries security for a rogue muslim country. It is going to be all helpless turkey against the angry bear.

It had already done it before -in Afghanistan.