VIEW : Siachen: a costly war for Pakistan and India

[Ticker]

Taking it back implies that you believe India is the true owner of Kashmir and Pakistan and CHina have each stolen a piece.. Is that your contention?? Or do you believe Pakistan is the true owner of Kashmir and India has illegally occupied a part of it ?

Indian Occupied Kashmir is a disputed territory, pending its resolution in a plebiscite.

 

[SamantK]

Indian Occupied Kashmir is a disputed territory, pending its resolution in a plebiscite.

And the plebiscite completely depends on Pakistan, how sad Pakistan does not want a resolution of Kashmir.. They only want the land and resources..

 

[karan.1970]

Indian Occupied Kashmir is a disputed territory, pending its resolution in a plebiscite.

What is the dispute?? I asked a pretty simple question.. Is India the true owner of Kashmir or Pakistan (remember that in the UN resolution, these are the only 2 options)

 

[Abingdonboy]

No Sir, you are totally wrong and your perceptions are inconsistent with ground realities and the demands of international law.

You underestimate Pakistan's ability and capability.

Linking Siachen with Junagarh and Manavadar or Hyderabad highlights your il-conceived historical perspective and Pakistan's stand thereof.

We have taken almost 35 % of Kashmir which is with us - has the Indians taken it back except this portion of Siachen and a couple of more little posts in some sectors.

China has taken a large portion of land from India in Kashmir. Has the Indians been able to take it back from them.

Have a heart sir and open your eyes to the ground realities as they exist, instead of presenting such poor arguments.

You overestimate Pakistan's ability and capabilities. Any military action to change the status quo would be conventional and here India has a clear and ever growing advantage so please answer this basic Q:

Pakistan is at a disadvantage from both a strategic and tactical sense. India holds the highest peaks overlooking PA postions, Pakistani posts are not even on the Siachin glacier. Additionally the IA has transformed itslef into one of thr finest mountain warfare forces on earth and as such can operate with ease and with little human cost. To support troops in this envormant is incredibly expensive in monetary terms and hear again Pakistan is at a huge disadvantage over India.


Or to put it another way where is does Pakistan have an advantage over India in this area?

 

[Ticker]

You took that part of Kashmir when there was no Indian Army deployed. Uske baad aap bus phoonk phoonk kar thak gaye ho. All your generals right up to Musharraf have said, hum Srinagar mein lunch karengey. Hotha ye, ki PM Washington midnight buffet khaane bhaagta.

China took the land from you. You gave it since, you wanted a back up daddy instead of US of A.

Your army also invaded Kashmir when no Pakistani troops were deployed. Aur tum log bhi phook phook kar thak haye ho - hum nahin.

The land we gave to China will fall under the plebiscite, whenever it is held. This clause is part of Pak-China agreement.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Addtionally India has a clear advantage in terms of international clout and soft power. India will soon be a permanent member of the UNSC and are you saying Pakistan has an advantage here?

 

[Ticker]

What is the dispute?? I asked a pretty simple question.. Is India the true owner of Kashmir or Pakistan (remember that in the UN resolution, these are the only 2 options)

It is for the people of Kashmir to decide. If you do not understand the meaning of plebiscite, please look it up in the UN resolutions.

 

[SamantK]

Your army also invaded Kashmir when no Pakistani troops were deployed. Aur tum log bhi phook phook kar thak haye ho - hum nahin.

Now you are getting interesting, so woh jo tribals the, woh chaand se tapak pade?

The land we gave to China will fall under the plebiscite, whenever it is held. This clause is part of Pak-China agreement.

Prerequisite to complete karo miyan, resources choori kar kar ke je nahi bhara kya?

 

[karan.1970]

It is for the people of Kashmir to decide. If you do not understand the meaning of plebiscite, please look it up in the UN resolutions.

I understand about the decision of Kashmiri people.. But what's your stand ?? Do you believe Pakistan is the rightful owner of Kashmir or India ?

 

[Ticker]

Addtionally India has a clear advantage in terms of international clout and soft power. India will soon be a permanent member of the UNSC and are you saying Pakistan has an advantage here?

We will wait and see when aunty have OOs to become an uncle.

I understand about the decision of Kashmiri people.. But what's your stand ?? Do you believe Pakistan is the rightful owner of Kashmir or India ?

My stand is that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide.

 

[SamantK]

We will wait and see when aunty have OOs to become an uncle.

rhetoric statement, again getting dull.. please be innovative.

My stand is that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide.

Still you have not answered the question, did you understand it?

 

[karan.1970]

My stand is that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide.

how difficult is it becoming for Pakistanis to state what they want to..

Cant even say that Kashmir is theirs

Jab dil mein chor hota hai to aawaz nahin nikalti

 

[surya kiran]

Your army also invaded Kashmir when no Pakistani troops were deployed. Aur tum log bhi phook phook kar thak haye ho - hum nahin.

The land we gave to China will fall under the plebiscite, whenever it is held. This clause is part of Pak-China agreement.

There is a difference between Agreement signed and troops moving in to defend. And keeping on sending in soldiers and saying they are tribals and mujahideen.

Nehru, who I hold in very high esteem, on this topic was soft. Had it been Indira, today there would have been no dispute.

 

[Ticker]

Now you are getting interesting, so woh jo tribals the, woh chaand se tapak pade?

Prerequisite to complete karo miyan, resources choori kar kar ke je nahi bhara kya?

I will re-post what I posted earlier for your lordship .......

The Indian invasion of Indian Occupied Kashmir started much earlier than the Pathan intrusion and Pakistan Army’s involvement. It was all started by and planned in meetings between rulers of Alwar, Kapurthala and Patiala etc with Maharaja of Kashmir with complete knowledge of Indian Hindu political leaders and their supporters in Indian government.

However, many of us do not even know that after the pogrom in Punjab where Muslims were killed in millions in order to ethnically cleanse the areas and change the demography, where did these marauding Hindu and Sikh hordes were sent to? Indians wouldn’t know or probably wouldn’t want to acknowledge it – these hordes were sent to Jammu to loot, rape, abduct and kill Muslims.

As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to emigrate to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when Indian Army had already invaded IOK.

 

[karan.1970]

I will re-post what I posted earlier for your lordship .......

The Indian invasion of Indian Occupied Kashmir started much earlier than the Pathan intrusion and Pakistan Army’s involvement. It was all started by and planned in meetings between rulers of Alwar, Kapurthala and Patiala etc with Maharaja of Kashmir with complete knowledge of Indian Hindu political leaders and their supporters in Indian government.

However, many of us do not even know that after the pogrom in Punjab where Muslims were killed in millions in order to ethnically cleanse the areas and change the demography, where did these marauding Hindu and Sikh hordes were sent to? Indians wouldn’t know or probably wouldn’t want to acknowledge it – these hordes were sent to Jammu to loot, rape, abduct and kill Muslims.

As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to emigrate to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when Indian Army had already invaded IOK.

But who do you think the rightful owner of Kashmir is ... India or Pakistan ??