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Islamists are so lost - none of these quoites suggest that Quaid wanted a islamista state instead of a Muslim state -
here this is what you really meant to quote:

The great majority of us are Muslims. We follow the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). We are members of the brotherhood of Islam in which all are equal in rights, dignity and self respect. Consequently we have a special and a very deep sense of unity. But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it.” – Broadcast talk to the people of Australia recorded on 19th Feb, 1948.

Khush?? To Arabia with you - :cheers:,
Sir now you said the most funny statement sir Muslims are called Muslims because the follow they deen Islam if you think you will establish a muslim state and issue of Islam will not rise than you are fooling yourself sir issue of Islam will definately rise sooner or later and Muslims state will in the end turn into an Islamic State and if your economic and political Laws are based on Quran and Islam than you are a Islamic State
 
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Islamists are so lost - none of these quoites suggest that Quaid wanted a islamista state instead of a Muslim state -
here this is what you really meant to quote:

The great majority of us are Muslims. We follow the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). We are members of the brotherhood of Islam in which all are equal in rights, dignity and self respect. Consequently we have a special and a very deep sense of unity. But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it – Broadcast talk to the people of Australia recorded on 19th Feb, 1948.

Khush?? To Arabia with you - :cheers:,

pakistan is not a theocracy, but where it suggests that we dont include islam in our laws??

muse you are the one who is lost
 
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Come on Islamists, cat got your tongue?? What islamist state did the Quaid want? We are Muslims, you are islamists - our paths are different - to Arabia with you - bye y'all:wave:
 
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“I am not a ‘moulvi” nor do I claim to be an expert in theology. However, I have tried, at my own, to understand Quran and the Islamic laws. In the teachings of this great book there is guidance for each and every aspect of human life, may be it is spiritual, social, political or economical all have been covered by it”

(Address at the Usmania University, Hyderabad, India-1941). “People criticize me alleging that I am not well acquainted with Islam. I. have studied Quran thoroughly and many a time. And when I declared that Islamic system would be established in Pakistan, It was not a mere slogan” (Tolu-e Islam-February,1959).

“You have requested me for giving you a message .What message can I give? For guidance and light, we all are blessed with Quran’s loftiest message” (Frontier Muslim Students Conference—April, 1943).

During struggle for Pakistan when Muslims were facing great hardships and victimization at the hands of Hindus and their allies ,Quaid comforted them saying that ultimate success would be theirs if they only sought guidance from the Quran:–“ At present, a battle is going on between the Muslims and the Hindus in the political arena. People ask me as to who is going to be the winner? Only God knows about it. However, as a Muslim I can assure that if we treat the Holy Quran as our final and absolute guide and persevere not forgetting at the same time God’s command that all Muslims are brothers to one another, no earthly power or even their combine, can defeat us” ( Address at a meeting in Hyderabad ,Deccan—July,1946). “ We have been the victim of a deeply laid and well-planned conspiracy…..We thank Providence for giving us courage and faith to fight these forces of evil. If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Quran, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours.”(Speech at a rally at the University Stadium,Lahore-October,1947).

According to the great Quaid, Holy Quran is the “sheet anchor of Islam and fundamental code of life for Muslims “What is it that keeps the Muslims united, and what is bedrock and sheet anchor of the community. It is Islam. It is the great book Quran that is the sheet anchor of Muslim India.” (Speech at ALL India Muslim League Session, Karachi-26-12-1943). “Every Musalman knows that the injunctions of the Quran, are not confined to religious and moral duties. From the Atlantic to the Ganges, Quran is acknowledged as the fundamental code, not only of theology, but of civil and criminal jurisprudence, and the laws which regulate the actions of mankind are governed by the immutable sanctions of the Will of God. Everyone except those who are ignorant knows that Quran is the general code of Muslims. A religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial criminal penal code, it regulates everything…. .And our Prophet has enjoined on us, that every Musalman should possess a copy of the Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collectively and individually.” ( Eid Message to the Nation—September,1945).

Elaborating the role of the Quran and the Islamic State, the Quaid, in his address to the students of the Usmania University, Deccan in August, 1941, said,” In Islam ultimate obedience belongs to God alone.The only way to follow His guidance is through the Holy Quran. Islam does not preach obedience to a king, parliament, person or any institution. The Islamic Government means rule of the Quran. And how can you establish the rule of Quran without an independent state? In this state, legislation will take place within the boundaries drawn by the Quran”.

This scribe has yet to come across a better description of the role and function of the Quran and an Islamic State than the one given above by the great Quaid.

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Come on Islamists, cat got your tongue?? What islamist state did the Quaid want? We are Muslims, you are islamists - our paths are different - to Arabia with you - bye y'all:wave:
By this statement you actually said that you are not a muslim becuase Islam and Muslims can't be different
 
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Come on Islamists, cat got your tongue?? What islamist state did the Quaid want? We are Muslims, you are islamists - our paths are different - to Arabia with you - bye y'all:wave:

muse, i suggest you one thing, go and learn proper english!!, before you start confusing in english words

adios
 
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Come on Islamists, Where is your claim that Quaid wanted a Islamst state?? Oops! too bad - Pakistan as a Muslim state and Pakistan as a Islamist hellhole are very different things - and sorry you get Arabia not Pakistan, Pakistan is for Muslims
 
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Come on Islamists, Where is your claim that Quaid wanted a Islamst state?? Oops! too bad - Pakistan as a Muslim state and Pakistan as a Islamist hellhole are very different things - and sorry you get Arabia not Pakistan, Pakistan is for Muslims

where is you claim that quaid e azam wanted a secular state??, quaid e azam has clearly said that

Therefore Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collective[ly] and individually."

he said that

“Our salvation lies in following the Golden Rules of conduct set for us by our great Law-Giver, The Prophet of Islam (PBUH).”

im really surprised you still dont get the message from his quotation, as you can see the 'complete code of life, and law is used in his quotations, now if quaid e azam says that pakistani laws confirm the quran than are you blind not to see what is clearly written???

i agree that pakistan mustnt be a theocratic state but where does it say it mustnt be an islamic state

i agree to even your previous quotes where quaid said that non muslims should be considered pakistan, given equal rights, thats why every pakistani says and happens in pakistan that islamic laws dont apply to non muslims, now i seem to agree with every quaids quote except you, you continue to ignore quaid e azam quotes
 
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An Islamist state or or a Islamic theocracy has to have Shariah as it's law - and yet the Quaid is again very clear :

make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it


Quaid was a Muslim and no islamist, he consulted Quran for guidance, studied Islamic law - and from his understanding, he was clear:
make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it

You guys need it any clearer??

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where is you claim that quaid e azam wanted a secular state??

Here you go, the substance of secularism:

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You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”


You guys really are dense - islamists to Arabia
 
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he Quaid-i-Azam said he could not understand the section of people who kept on impressing upon everybody that the future constitution of Pakistan should be based on Shariat. “There are people who deliberately want to create mischief and make the propaganda that we will scrap it (the Shariat law),” he added. “Islamic principles have no parallel. Today they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism has taught democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody.”
 
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An Islamist state or or a Islamic theocracy has to have Shariah as it's law - and yet the Quaid is again very clear :

make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it


Quaid was a Muslim and no islamist, he consulted Quran for guidance, studied Islamic law - and from his understanding, he was clear:
make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it

You guys need it any clearer??

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Here you go, the substance of secularism:

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You guys really are dense - islamists to Arabia

theocracy means a mullah or a divine person governing the state, it doesnt mean including religious laws makes one theocratic state, theocracy can be christian state, and can be islamic state, jewish, hindu state, thats why i say go learn proper english, you are a hypocrate now, you are only confusing yourself, and you are embarrassing yourself here infront of every one go get educated
 
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Yes indeed, Islamists have caused great mischief - but Quaid is clear, we are ,muslims (not Islamists) equality before the law, personal faith not the business of the state, ino other words, secularism
 
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An Islamist state or or a Islamic theocracy has to have Shariah as it's law - and yet the Quaid is again very clear :

make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it


Quaid was a Muslim and no islamist, he consulted Quran for guidance, studied Islamic law - and from his understanding, he was clear:
make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it

You guys need it any clearer??

---------- Post added at 05:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:03 AM ----------



Here you go, the substance of secularism:

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You guys really are dense - islamists to Arabia
Muse read the above posts I have posted you have only one speech which you are posting again and again and also in this speech Quaid never used the world secular but he I have quoted several speeches but you don't want to accept truth Islam is for evey where and Islam will rule Pakistan and whole world

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Yes indeed, Islamists have caused great mischief - but Quaid is clear, we are ,muslims (not Islamists) equality before the law, personal faith not the business of the state, ino other words, secularism

Islam is not separate from politics all laws of politics will be based on Quran and Shariah Islam will rule the world all secular for kafirs and kufr
 
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theocracy means a mullah or a divine person governing the state, it doesnt mean including religious laws makes one theocratic state, theocracy can be christian state, and can be islamic state, jewish, hindu state, thats why i say go learn proper english, you are a hypocrate now, you are only confusing yourself, and you are embarrassing yourself here infront of every one go get educated

Sorry I must have mined a raw nerve -- take it easy, I have a lot more for you --- Anyway, But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it.”

Deal with it islamists - and if you can't there's always Arabia
 
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and if Quaid was such a secular why did he asked ALLAMA Shabir Ahmed Usmani a Islamist to do flag hoisting

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Every Muslim knows that the injunctions of the Quran are not confined to religious and moral duties. Everyone except those who are ignorant, knows that the Quran is the general code of the Muslims. A religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial, criminal and penal code; it regulates everything from the ceremonies of religion to those of daily life; from the salvation of the soul to the health of the body; from the rights of all, to those of each individual; from morality to crime; from punishment here to that in the life to come, and our Prophet (S) has enjoined on us that every Muslim should possess a copy of the Holy Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines and rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society in every department of life, collectively and individually.”

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Sorry I must have mined a raw nerve -- take it easy, I have a lot more for you --- Anyway, But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it.”

Deal with it islamists - and if you can't there's always Arabia
I am not a ‘moulvi” nor do I claim to be an expert in theology. However, I have tried, at my own, to understand Quran and the Islamic laws. In the teachings of this great book there is guidance for each and every aspect of human life, may be it is spiritual, social, political or economical all have been covered by it”

(Address at the Usmania University, Hyderabad, India-1941). “People criticize me alleging that I am not well acquainted with Islam. I. have studied Quran thoroughly and many a time. And when I declared that Islamic system would be established in Pakistan, It was not a mere slogan” (Tolu-e Islam-February,1959).

“You have requested me for giving you a message .What message can I give? For guidance and light, we all are blessed with Quran’s loftiest message” (Frontier Muslim Students Conference—April, 1943).

During struggle for Pakistan when Muslims were facing great hardships and victimization at the hands of Hindus and their allies ,Quaid comforted them saying that ultimate success would be theirs if they only sought guidance from the Quran:–“ At present, a battle is going on between the Muslims and the Hindus in the political arena. People ask me as to who is going to be the winner? Only God knows about it. However, as a Muslim I can assure that if we treat the Holy Quran as our final and absolute guide and persevere not forgetting at the same time God’s command that all Muslims are brothers to one another, no earthly power or even their combine, can defeat us” ( Address at a meeting in Hyderabad ,Deccan—July,1946). “ We have been the victim of a deeply laid and well-planned conspiracy…..We thank Providence for giving us courage and faith to fight these forces of evil. If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Quran, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours.”(Speech at a rally at the University Stadium,Lahore-October,1947).

According to the great Quaid, Holy Quran is the “sheet anchor of Islam and fundamental code of life for Muslims “What is it that keeps the Muslims united, and what is bedrock and sheet anchor of the community. It is Islam. It is the great book Quran that is the sheet anchor of Muslim India.” (Speech at ALL India Muslim League Session, Karachi-26-12-1943). “Every Musalman knows that the injunctions of the Quran, are not confined to religious and moral duties. From the Atlantic to the Ganges, Quran is acknowledged as the fundamental code, not only of theology, but of civil and criminal jurisprudence, and the laws which regulate the actions of mankind are governed by the immutable sanctions of the Will of God. Everyone except those who are ignorant knows that Quran is the general code of Muslims. A religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial criminal penal code, it regulates everything…. .And our Prophet has enjoined on us, that every Musalman should possess a copy of the Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collectively and individually.” ( Eid Message to the Nation—September,1945).

Elaborating the role of the Quran and the Islamic State, the Quaid, in his address to the students of the Usmania University, Deccan in August, 1941, said,” In Islam ultimate obedience belongs to God alone.The only way to follow His guidance is through the Holy Quran. Islam does not preach obedience to a king, parliament, person or any institution. The Islamic Government means rule of the Quran. And how can you establish the rule of Quran without an independent state? In this state, legislation will take place within the boundaries drawn by the Quran”.

This scribe has yet to come across a better description of the role and function of the Quran and an Islamic State than the one given above by the great Quaid.
 
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