Vietnam's plea puts South Block in a predicament

[Veeru]

India should give Brahmos to Vietnam + stealth ASW corvettes we should also get a permanent port there, later to be made naval base.

 

[NiceGuy]

Uncle Sam has many problems and get weaken now , he can not control CHina for longer time , we should tie up sfriendship together and both will be in safe during this hard time

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Good luck sir.

China's response will most likely be to stop India from joining the UNSC as a permanent member. But then we all know they were looking for a reason to do that anyway. So no real loss for you.



It's also because the Indian government has not tried to repeat their Forward Policy again.

You'll need to build up your capabilities a lot, if you want to be able to do that and not face a fight. An authoritarian government cannot be seen to lose face in front of their people, we even went to war with the USA + 16 of their allies back in 1950, when we were at the weakest point in our history. (And even back then we managed to push them completely out of North Korea).

I think it is good post over all, although I dont agree with most of times.

 

[QDNDVN]

Here what I think, both countries Govs [India-VN] already has planed and the way they been die trying to play soft-hard to China Gov just want to prove to UN see and specialy US-RUS that both countries being pushed by China. Thus, when both countries turn back, plus all citizen of both countrie want to and ready for war with China.

Like any wars before it starts, its need to be propaganda and get more support from other countries. I think this part of politicals play and testing the strengh of they own people before they starting for war. Remember, invaders are always loose to defenders and I am for sure about it.

Likewise, imagine you pushing a balloon and if you not put hard enough the balloon won't breaks. India, Vietnam and specialy the citizen of both countries just like a balloon. Once all ready for war hence winning always on our side.

 

[Hobo1]

This is just too much to expect from Indian Leadership,Censor board asked producers of latest RK movie Rockstar to blur the images of Tibetan flag shown in the movie. Man to expect that this government would give Brahmos to Vietnam is just far fetched.

Rockstar' makes changes as Censor Board gets strict on Tibet issue

 

[Polemos]

Good luck sir.

You'll need to build up your capabilities a lot, if you want to be able to do that and not face a fight. An authoritarian government cannot be seen to lose face in front of their people, we even went to war with the USA + 16 of their allies back in 1950, when we were at the weakest point in our history. (And even back then we managed to push them completely out of North Korea).

A lot has changed since 1950. China was a pariah nation then with only Soviet support. Today's China is much more integrated, much more concerned with its global standing, much more sensitive, much much more to lose in any war. Ditto with India. Unless a nutcase like Hitler comes to power in either country, a war is out of the question. India needs certain concessions from China for NSG and other issues. Thats it. No one's gearing up for a fight.

 

[RPK]

This is just too much to expect from Indian Leadership,Censor board asked producers of latest RK movie Rockstar to blur the images of Tibetan flag shown in the movie. Man to expect that this government would give Brahmos to Vietnam is just far fetched.

Rockstar' makes changes as Censor Board gets strict on Tibet issue

India can supply Brahmos through russia to vietnam,

 

[Raje amar]

well strategical relations dont build over night. It needs time & trust.
First start with training on subs & jets. Continue for a couple of years. By that time get the paper work & start developping the port.
Arming with Brmhos & warships comes last.
Bythat time close to 5 years will pass and we will be in a mush better condition economically & militarily.

But we must help Vietnam.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Uncle Sam has many problems and get weaken now , he can not control CHina for longer time, we should tie up sfriendship together and both will be in safe during this hard time

Yes, China's chains are getting weaker and weaker. It's a matter of time before we break loose! And then we will dominate over Asia again. Vietnam's time is running out.

Looking at Vietnam and India, it's like two girls holding each other closely in fear while walking in New Delhi at night. So shameful to see mighty Vietnam "plea" for help.

Here what I think, both countries Govs [India-VN] already has planed and the way they been die trying to play soft-hard to China Gov just want to prove to UN see and specialy US-RUS that both countries being pushed by China. Thus, when both countries turn back, plus all citizen of both countrie want to and ready for war with China.

Like any wars before it starts, its need to be propaganda and get more support from other countries. I think this part of politicals play and testing the strengh of they own people before they starting for war. Remember, invaders are always loose to defenders and I am for sure about it.

Oh that sounds like a good idea. Make your people hate China until war is evitable

You bet USA and Russia will watch bemused as the 1.3 billion population, 3500+ nuclear weapon, 2nd largest economy in the world behemoth stomps the daylights out of two countries that care more about their delusions (conquering SE Asia or conquering South Asia) than feeding their own hungry people.

 

[ChinaToday]

South China sea is not our priority

RN Das, senior fellow at Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, says the South China Sea issue was a ploy that was played out

The Chinese are sensitive when it comes to the South China Sea. They consider it to be a matter of core national interest, like Taiwan and Tibet. They are possessive about it. Malaysia, Brunei and Japan are already in dispute over the Sea with the Chinese. And naturally, if India enters this dispute and China doesn抰 protest, it doesn抰 give a right signal to other countries. It was a ploy that was deliberately played out.

Basically, this episode was played out by the media. It was an over-reaction by the Chinese media and it wasn抰 the government-owned media like China Daily that made a hue and cry. Government-owned media acted with restraint. It was the Global Times that raised the issue and Chinese authorities claim that this paper is not under government control. But in a system like China抯, nothing can be printed or said without approval of the government.

It doesn抰 mean that India and China will let this matter escalate. The India-China relationship has been improving steadily. There was the strategic economic meeting at Beijing where both countries had made some progress.

India was not doing something new in the Sea. India抯 engagement in the South China Sea has been there since the 1980s. The agreement with ONGC Videsh was signed in 2006, not this year. Vietnam has claimed that the two blocks in contention, 127 and 128, don抰 belong to China. They belong to Vietnam as per the UN Convention on Laws of the Sea signed in 1982. The Chinese are contesting that. Even if they belong to Vietnam, they can抰 invite a third country to explore, say the Chinese.

Conflict is inevitable. But then there is the reassuring presence of the US in the region. That helps a little. China engages with the US a lot at different levels but they bemoan US interference in their affairs. The Chinese may also have a feeling that India is there because of tacit support from the US.

Anyway, ONGC is not going to immediately explore blocks over there. The Defence Minister has clearly said that the South China Sea is not our priority. Our priority is our backyard. But that doesn抰 mean we are withdrawing. He may just want to assuage the wounded feelings of the Chinese.

India has been asserting itself as a superpower but it should have the strength to do that. It could be military, economic, strategic or diplomatic strength. India needs to have military capability to face the Chinese challenge. But acquiring it will take India around 10 years.

But there may be no need to go down that road. The hotline between the countries will soon be activated. And the bonding between Wen Jiabao (Chinese premier) and Manmohan Singh is very good. When tension builds up between two countries it usually gets defused when both of them meet.

South China sea is not our priority - Forbes India -

OH dear look like india aint going to do much in SCS . Time to wake up Poor Vietnam.

 

[livingdead]

Nothing wrong with military cooperation and assistance. China gives the same to pakistan.
But we should not transfer any missile technology, or any technology that is against international law.

 

[WHF]

India can supply Brahmos through russia to vietnam,

and y the Fu(k should russia make its image bad with china for our cause while we sit and cozyup with the chinese and at the same time even if russia does so majority of the Indians would say india should drift towards USA,now all the USA fans why dont u think asking for USA's help in supplying viets with arms for our cause??

We should be able to do our work and be proud about it.Helping a friend is a proud thing, atleast unlike china's best friend Vietnam doesn't have/execute any visions of bleeding china with thousand cuts..

@RPK im not accusing you of being a USA puppet but im asking this question to all those ppl in general who cry at every single instance where there is business problems with russia but sit mum even when USA is looting india with exorbitant prices and still calls india a friend??

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Nothing wrong with military cooperation and assistance. China gives the same to pakistan.
But we should not transfer any missile technology, or any technology that is against international law.

u better read international law then..under 300 kms its fair game, non nuclear explosive fair game..

 

[RPK]

and y the Fu(k should russia make its image bad with china for our cause while we sit and cozyup with the chinese and at the same time even if russia does so majority of the Indians would say india should drift towards USA,now all the USA fans why dont u think asking for USA's help in supplying viets with arms for our cause??

Russia already supply weapons to Vietnam, what wrong in selling MTCR completable weapon? like china already selling offensive weapons to pakistan

 

[WHF]

Russia already supply weapons to Vietnam, what wrong in selling MTCR completable weapon? like china already selling offensive weapons to pakistan

then wat is wrong in india selling them to viets, why do we want russia to do our business with the viets?? Are u saying that we must be scared of china??ppl wont respect if u dont stand for wat u beleive.. If u beleive arming viet is wrong them say it openly but if u want to arm them and then sacred of china getting angry then GOD help u? cause surely tomm there will be a time when viets have to take a similar decision WRT india and china, do u expect viets should ask russia to give us berthing rights in russian docks as viets want to give us the berthing rights in vietnam but are scared of making the dragon angry??

 

[RPK]

then wat is wrong in india selling them to viets, why do we want russia to do our business with the viets?? Are u saying that we must be scared of china??ppl wont respect if u dont stand for wat u beleive.. If u beleive arming viet is wrong them say it openly but if u want to arm them and then sacred of china getting angry then GOD help u? cause surely tomm there will be a time when viets have to take a similar decision WRT india and china.

That is called chankya policy

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