Vietnamese old pictures

[somsak]

Thai Monarch Rama4 dress Qing clothing.

Rama 5 on Qing Clothing

Rama 2's 神主牌

Thai Kings' Chinese names
King Taksin 郑昭
Rama1 郑华
Rama 2 郑佛
Rama 3 郑福
Rama4 郑明
------- End 进贡 era ------ ( I guess since China is weak and can no longer protect Siam)
Until Rama4, these names are actually used in documentation on 进贡
Rama5 郑隆
Rama6 郑宝
Rama7 郑光
Rama8 郑禧
Current Rama9 郑固

Current Crown Prince of Thailand on official duty (ancestor memorial) date 2013 Chinese New Year

A Thailand's Palace name พระที่นั่งเวหาศจำรูญ chinese name : 天明殿 Palace. This palace hosts 神主牌s (I don't know how many)

More Thai King and royal family's 神主牌

 

[terranMarine]

@Nihonjin1051
Tang Dynasty is indeed one of the greatest Dynasties or perhaps the greatest in China. Some of the famous poets came from that era such as Li Bai and it has a rich history in arts/poetry/architecture as you have mentioned already. The only empress in China Wu Zetian ever exited was also from that Dynasty. Another fascinating one is the Song Dynasty.

I take it you have been to Guangzhou before right? So you know what i mean with the different soundings between HK and Guangdong Cantonese.

 

[Grand Historian]

Vanlang kingdom's of Viets, north point reached to Dongding lake in China. Southern land reached to Hu Sun (Ho Ton) country, where was country of Malayo people.

It was in ancient time.

It is stated in History book of Vietnam.

You really do love repeating the same debunked crap.

Vietnamese are so Sinicized they have to fabricate history that is intrinsically based in China,using Chinese concepts and Chinese deities if this doesn't raise a red flag about the veracity of the myths then I don't know what will.

The first Yue entity recorded in Chinese history is a nomadic tribe that bordered the Shang tell me what does this have to do with Vietnamese?

 

[terranMarine]

You really do love repeating the same debunked crap.

Vietnamese are so Sinicized they have to fabricate history that is intrinsically based in China,using Chinese concepts and Chinese deities if this doesn't raise a red flag about the veracity of the myths then I don't know what will.

The first Yue entity recorded in Chinese history is a nomadic tribe that bordered the Shang tell me what does this have to do with Vietnamese?

You should know he's like a tape recorder, keeps rewinding after the end of each play. I think his mission is trying to brainwash foreigners into believing that crap.

 

[Aepsilons]

The first Yue entity recorded in Chinese history is a nomadic tribe that bordered the Shang tell me what does this have to do with Vietnamese?

Can you tell me more about the Shang?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

how about viet ancient style?

She is a Vietnamesized Huaxia woman.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

the manchu were arrogant. I told you already: they loved to look down on us, once placed vietnam in the tributary world lower than korea, siam and laos. the worst part: the qing government did not lift a finger to help vietnam in the struggle against the french invasion. and when they finally came, it was too late.

So was the Ming Dynasty, since every Chinese Dynasty in the past did treat Vietnam as its own vassal state.

 

[EastSea]

You really do love repeating the same debunked crap.

Vietnamese are so Sinicized they have to fabricate history that is intrinsically based in China,using Chinese concepts and Chinese deities if this doesn't raise a red flag about the veracity of the myths then I don't know what will.

The first Yue entity recorded in Chinese history is a nomadic tribe that bordered the Shang tell me what does this have to do with Vietnamese?

study more little historian bro. before the time of Qin Dynasty China's, Chinese were in in Middle Terrain (Zhong Yuan) in China.

Southerner land of China was territory of Bai Yue. Vanlang Kingdom of Hungking included Ou Viet and Luo Viet.

 

[Yizhi]

study more little historian bro. before the time of Qin Dynasty China's, Chinese were in in Middle Terrain (Zhong Yuan) in China.

Southerner land of China was territory of Bai Yue. Vanlang Kingdom of Hungking included Ou Viet and Luo Viet.

and then all of baiyue become chinese...
these claims are so pathetic that i just cant bear to watch..
since when will you guys realize that you are chinese too...

 

[EastSea]

and then all of baiyue become chinese...
these claims are so pathetic that i just cant bear to watch..
since when will you guys realize that you are chinese too...

Nope.

Viet/Kinh and Chinese/Han are to two different people, in different ethnic group, only Nan Yue, Min Yue, Wu Yue ... are sinized.

 

[Yizhi]

Nope.

Viet/Kinh and Chinese/Han are to two different people, in different ethnic group, only Nan Yue, Min Yue, Wu Yue ... are sinized.

the problem is that being chinese is never about ethnicity....
and you actually believe all Han are from same ethnic group?! somehow some small tribe somewhere just ended up becoming 1/5 of human on earth??!!!
this Han identity only occur when some outside force(mongols, manchurian,non-agriculture based in general ) invade.

 

[EastSea]

the problem is that being chinese is never about ethnicity....
and you actually believe all Han are from same ethnic group?! somehow some small tribe somewhere just ended up becoming 1/5 of human on earth??!!!
this Han identity only occur when some outside force(mongols, manchurian,non-agriculture based in general ) invade.

china has 56 ethnic group, isn't it ? Han chinese is biggest ethnic group in China based on law of PRC.

 

[Yizhi]

china has 56 ethnic group, isn't it ? Han chinese is biggest ethnic group in China based on law of PRC.

again, Han identity is something as vague as European....or Caucasian... or African...just somehow we dont put emphasis on sub groups any more...and we really cant tell (or care about) the differences between each other...
btw, the differences inside Han is probably larger than that between Han and 55 (who knows how many...learned from USSR to make figure look good) ethnic groups...i.e. northeast Han + Manchurian vs. shanghai Han...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Nope.

Viet/Kinh and Chinese/Han are to two different people, in different ethnic group, only Nan Yue, Min Yue, Wu Yue ... are sinized.

What's your problem if other people want to be Chinese?

Since they weren't Vietnamese either.

 

[magic-007]

how about viet ancient style?

Frankly ,i never find how beautiful Vietnamese females are . Vietnamese women are not as good as Chinese's, it is not bragging but a fact . And i think Thailand females are the most beautiful in whole Southeastern Asia ,in my opinion!no offence !

I think she's part North African, if my memory serves me right. But yes ...so cute! I laughed when I saw the N64 controller in her hand. Good ole' days...




She's beautiful ! Im assuming she's Nguoi Kinh. Her facial features -- the high cheek bones, prominent epicanthal folds of the eyes, long nasal bridge, and reasonably fair complexion -- its a trait of East Asian Race. She looks different from the Khmer Krom of Vietnam or some Vietnamese who have misceginated with Khmers and Champa people. The latter have flatter nasal bridge, darker complexion, and less prominence in the epicanthal folds.



There is , definitely, a lexical and phonetic difference when listening to Mandarin and Cantonese. Cantonese , as what Westerners refer to 粵語 (Yue dialect) is, in my opinion, the closest we have to classical Chinese phonology. In fact, some of the old Tang poems we have in Japanese museums -- are best read in Cantonese because it captures the Middle Chinese -- which is closely similar to Yue , or we refer to as Gwuangdongguo wu (language of the Guangdong Country). Spoken Cantonese, is very soft , it is actually one of the most beautiful Sinitic dialects. In my honest opinion.


One of my favorite Cantonese poems:
"Random Thoughts Deep at Night", by Yee of Taishan (poem on Angel Island, San Francisco) - YouTube

The uniform temptation (制服诱惑)，you know!