Vietnamese conquest of Muslim/Hindu Cham and their current situation

[Wholegrain]

You are stupid boy, Kansai dialect related to that Capital of Japan moved from Kyoto to Tokyo. There is competition in Japan that who speak standard Japanese, even though now standard Japanese is base on dialect of region Tokyo today. The differences of two dialect are mainly on pronunciation. In phonetic terms, Kansai dialect is characterized by strong vowels and contrasted with Tokyo dialect, characterized by its strong consonants, but the basis of the phonemes is similar. .Tokyo people can even occasionally imitate Kansai dialect to provoke laughter or inject humor.

For you, Han Chinese can not understand what Cantonese is talking about. Madarin (Hans language) and Cantonese is the two languages are not mutually intelligible because of pronunciation, grammatical, and also lexical differences. Sentence structure, in particular the placement of verbs, sometimes differs between the two languages.



No, kid.
China occupation on our Islands with force is illegal.

You said that Yuan and Man Qing dynasty is "Golden Family" and proud for that they ruled you in the past. And recently Without victory of USSR in Manchuria and two nuke of USA, you Mr. Wholgrain speak and write Japanese as mother language.



It's more again shameful for you, accepted that invaders Hans, Mongolian, Manchus ... ruled you.

Vietnamese, we have been fought against all kind of aggressors from Han, Yuan, Man, France... They were bigger than us to regain our independence. But you NanYue and WoYue people can not do the same way like this.

Does EastSea want a massive spanking? Cantonese and Mandarin are both Sinitic (Chinese) languages descended from Old Chinese. Cantonese is even more similar lexically and gramatically to Classical Chinese than Mandarin since many Cantonese are descended from northern Chinese fleeing south and preserving aspects of the language that were lost in Mandarin.

Write sentences in Cantonese and Mandarin in characters and compare it to Vietnamese written in Chu Nom. Most of the Vietnamese sentence would not make sense to a Cantonese. Entirely new characters had to be invented in Chu Nom for native Vietnamese words. The grammatical and lexical differences between Cantonese and Vietnamese would be stark while those between Cantonese and Mandarin would differ only in a few characters, perhaps one or two in a simple sentence. The word order between the subject-object-verb and the word order between the noun-adjective are the same in Mandarin and Cantonese while its totally reversed in Vietnamese.

The Vietnamese number system is also from Mon Khmer and totally different from Cantonese and Mandarin sinitic numbers which resemble each other.

The only stupid person here is you.

 

[Snomannen]

Does EastSea want a massive spanking? Cantonese and Mandarin are both Sinitic (Chinese) languages descended from Old Chinese. Cantonese is even more similar lexically and gramatically to Classical Chinese than Mandarin since many Cantonese are descended from northern Chinese fleeing south and preserving aspects of the language that were lost in Mandarin.

Write sentences in Cantonese and Mandarin in characters and compare it to Vietnamese written in Chu Nom. Most of the Vietnamese sentence would not make sense to a Cantonese. Entirely new characters had to be invented in Chu Nom for native Vietnamese words. The grammatical and lexical differences between Cantonese and Vietnamese would be stark while those between Cantonese and Mandarin would differ only in a few characters, perhaps one or two in a simple sentence. The word order between the subject-object-verb and the word order between the noun-adjective are the same in Mandarin and Cantonese while its totally reversed in Vietnamese.

The Vietnamese number system is also from Mon Khmer and totally different from Cantonese and Mandarin sinitic numbers which resemble each other.

The only stupid person here is you.

I can't really stand the stupidity of that goddamn creature. Its foolishness has really no bound.
Besides, that idiot never get the main point. Even though the difference between Kansai dialect and standard Japanese is smaller than Cantonese and Mandarin, it doesn't change the fact that BOTH Cantonese and Mandarin are Han Chinese languages. That ignorant creature doesn't have enough brain cells to understand the basic fact and concept that most of the ethnics have more than one dialects/languages.

Its brain and thinking are as tiny/narrow as the territory of its lovely homeland.

 

[Snomannen]

It's more again shameful for you, accepted that invaders Hans, Mongolian, Manchus ... ruled you.

Vietnamese, we have been fought against all kind of aggressors from Han, Yuan, Man, France... They were bigger than us to regain our independence. But you NanYue and WoYue people can not do the same way like this.

I should call you the stupid broken radio II, annoying and stupid as hell.
As I have mentioned the basic fact that Hans (including people of NanYue), Mongolian and Manchurian are ALL Chinese. Chinese ruled by Chinese, that totally makes sense~
Just because you are small in both land and brain doesn't mean that everyone in the world has to follow your narrow mind and foolishness. Oh look~ southern American (CSA) didn't claim independence~ What a shame isn't it~

 

[EastSea]

Does EastSea want a massive spanking? Cantonese and Mandarin are both Sinitic (Chinese) languages descended from Old Chinese. Cantonese is even more similar lexically and gramatically to Classical Chinese than Mandarin since many Cantonese are descended from northern Chinese fleeing south and preserving aspects of the language that were lost in Mandarin.

Write sentences in Cantonese and Mandarin in characters and compare it to Vietnamese written in Chu Nom. Most of the Vietnamese sentence would not make sense to a Cantonese. Entirely new characters had to be invented in Chu Nom for native Vietnamese words. The grammatical and lexical differences between Cantonese and Vietnamese would be stark while those between Cantonese and Mandarin would differ only in a few characters, perhaps one or two in a simple sentence. The word order between the subject-object-verb and the word order between the noun-adjective are the same in Mandarin and Cantonese while its totally reversed in Vietnamese.

The Vietnamese number system is also from Mon Khmer and totally different from Cantonese and Mandarin sinitic numbers which resemble each other.

The only stupid person here is you.

Cantonese language is sinized for 2,000 year, but Han Chinese language is recorded over 5,000 year and both using Han Characters. Today, Cantonese speak Cantonese, Northerner Chinese can not understand.

I should call you the stupid broken radio II, annoying and stupid as hell.
As I have mentioned the basic fact that Hans (including people of NanYue), Mongolian and Manchurian are ALL Chinese. Chinese ruled by Chinese, that totally makes sense~
Just because you are small in both land and brain doesn't mean that everyone in the world has to follow your narrow mind and foolishness. Oh look~ southern American (CSA) didn't claim independence~ What a shame isn't it~

Who has been ruled you, he is Chinese even though he is invader.

 

[Wholegrain]

Cantonese language is sinized for 2,000 year, but Han Chinese language is recorded over 5,000 year and both using Han Characters. Today, Cantonese speak Cantonese, Northerner Chinese can not understand.



Who has been ruled you, he is Chinese even though he is invader.

You keep getting smacked over and over again for everyone to see.

Vietnamese are from Au Lac state. Zhao Tuo and his soldiers were from northern China and they founded Nan yue and crushed the Vietnamese Au Lac and then annexed it.

The majority of Cantonese Guangdong Han have Y chromosome haplogroup from northern China which they inherited from their fathers but native (baiyue) mtdna ehich they inherited from their mother.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books

Cantonese language is a direct descendant of Old Chinese and preserves even more charactistics of it than Mandarin. Mandarin has changed more and lossed many consonant endings from old Chinese.

Arabic has many languages/dialects in different regions. They are all descended from Arabic spoke in the Arabian peninsula, after te Islamic conquests Arabs took over the entire northern africa (previously under control of Byzantines and other kingdoms), fertile cresent and Arabs settled as far as central asia. There are central asian arabs today who speak their own Central Asian arabic language and its different from other dialects.

If a Morrocan Arab speaks Morrocan Arabic (Darija) to an Gulf Arabic speaker it will be extremely difficult for them to understand each other.

Peace Corps Moroccan Arabic (Darija) Course- Free Arabic (Darija) Lessons Online

If a Morrocan Arab, or Egyptian Arab or Gulf Arab speaks to an Uzbeki Arabic speaker the languages are definitely mutually unintelligible. They will not understand each other and need a translator. Uzbeki Arabic has two dialects and speakers of them cannot even understand each other.

Influence of the Tajik language on the vocalism of Central Asian Arabic dialects - by Lian Slayford-Wei - Helium

There are two independent dialects spoken by the Central Asia Arabs, the Bukhara dialect and the Qashqa-darya dialect. These dialects are widely dissimilar and one speaker will not understand the other so that when these Central Asian Arabs met, they prefer to talk in the Tajik or Uzbek languages

Cantonese and Mandarin are both descended from Old Chinese and Middle Chinese. Han moved from northern China like Zhao Tuo to guangdong and they married Yue women and became Cantonese.

Spanish men moved to latin America and married native women and their hispanic descendants speak Spanish and not any native language.

In Taiwan, many Hokkien Taiwanese are descended from Hokkien men from Fujian marrying aboriginal women. They only speak hokkien and not aboriginal languages.

Are you going to share more idiocy with us?

 

[Snomannen]

Cantonese language is sinized for 2,000 year, but Han Chinese language is recorded over 5,000 year and both using Han Characters. Today, Cantonese speak Cantonese, Northerner Chinese can not understand.



Who has been ruled you, he is Chinese even though he is invader.

Cantonese is part of Han Chinese language you freaking idiot, how many times do you want us to slap your ugly face. And you even think that languages are never changed. This stupid creature doesn't even have any basic knowledge~ How ignorant, how pity.

Single-celled organisms like you can never know the term Chinese and other basic knowledge.
Prussia is a invader to other German nations therefore Prussian are not German.
Mughal have been ruling India for hundreds year and Mughal Empire is claimed as an Indian dynasty without a doubt.
As I have mentioned above, your brain is as narrow as your lovely country's territory~
Such tiny-brain loser~

 

[Viet]

I should call you the stupid broken radio II, annoying and stupid as hell.
As I have mentioned the basic fact that Hans (including people of NanYue), Mongolian and Manchurian are ALL Chinese. Chinese ruled by Chinese, that totally makes sense~
Just because you are small in both land and brain doesn't mean that everyone in the world has to follow your narrow mind and foolishness. Oh look~ southern American (CSA) didn't claim independence~ What a shame isn't it~

more relax pls...EastSea doesn´t present the common view. Some stereotype can be found everywhere in the world, like between France and Germany, they are friend and foe. The Germans think the French eat frog leg all the time, while the French think their neighbor eats sauerkraut.

@EastSea, we all may return to the topic of the thread.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

You keep getting smacked over and over again for everyone to see.

Vietnamese are from Au Lac state. Zhao Tuo and his soldiers were from northern China and they founded Nan yue and crushed the Vietnamese Au Lac and then annexed it.

The majority of Cantonese Guangdong Han have Y chromosome haplogroup from northern China which they inherited from their fathers but native (baiyue) mtdna ehich they inherited from their mother.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books

Cantonese language is a direct descendant of Old Chinese and preserves even more charactistics of it than Mandarin. Mandarin has changed more and lossed many consonant endings from old Chinese.

Arabic has many languages/dialects in different regions. They are all descended from Arabic spoke in the Arabian peninsula, after te Islamic conquests Arabs took over the entire northern africa (previously under control of Byzantines and other kingdoms), fertile cresent and Arabs settled as far as central asia. There are central asian arabs today who speak their own Central Asian arabic language and its different from other dialects.

If a Morrocan Arab speaks Morrocan Arabic (Darija) to an Gulf Arabic speaker it will be extremely difficult for them to understand each other.

Peace Corps Moroccan Arabic (Darija) Course- Free Arabic (Darija) Lessons Online

If a Morrocan Arab, or Egyptian Arab or Gulf Arab speaks to an Uzbeki Arabic speaker the languages are definitely mutually unintelligible. They will not understand each other and need a translator. Uzbeki Arabic has two dialects and speakers of them cannot even understand each other.

Influence of the Tajik language on the vocalism of Central Asian Arabic dialects - by Lian Slayford-Wei - Helium



Cantonese and Mandarin are both descended from Old Chinese and Middle Chinese. Han moved from northern China like Zhao Tuo to guangdong and they married Yue women and became Cantonese.

Spanish men moved to latin America and married native women and their hispanic descendants speak Spanish and not any native language.

In Taiwan, many Hokkien Taiwanese are descended from Hokkien men from Fujian marrying aboriginal women. They only speak hokkien and not aboriginal languages.

Are you going to share more idiocy with us?

Cantonese and Mandarin are from Middle Chinese. Only the Min lect is from old Chinese, and among the Min lect, the Min Nan is the closest to old Sinitic.

You may think the Arabic lects as latin lects. The differences between Arab and Latin Europe is, all educated Arabs learn MSA. So they do not have to learn each others lect. Its true that the lects of Arabs has very low mutual intelligibility.

The diglossia of Arabic countries is a general knowledge for linguist.

But it is also true that the lects of Sinitic languages have zero mutual intelligibility.

I know mandarin and cantonese and I have studied the structure of Vietnamese briefly.

Cantonese is closer to mandarin in usage of lexicon and grammar.

However I feel Vietnamese could be closer to cantonese in lexicon pronunciation. A lot of Vietnamese agree with this point, so do many cantonese.

For a linguistc distance of 0 to 100, 0 for mandarin and 100 for Japanese. I would say various mandarin lects like Sichuan is 10. Cantonese is probably 40. Min Nan is 50 apart. Vietnamese is 65. Korean is 90. But this quantification is my estimate, and not really scientific. BTW I know Japanese and Min Nan.

 

[EastSea]

Cantonese is part of Han Chinese language you freaking idiot, how many times do you want us to slap your ugly face. And you even think that languages are never changed. This stupid creature doesn't even have any basic knowledge~ How ignorant, how pity.

Single-celled organisms like you can never know the term Chinese and other basic knowledge.
Prussia is a invader to other German nations therefore Prussian are not German.
Mughal have been ruling India for hundreds year and Mughal Empire is claimed as an Indian dynasty without a doubt.
As I have mentioned above, your brain is as narrow as your lovely country's territory~
Such tiny-brain loser~

You can slap on face of your father first becourse he didn't care about the minimum education to you. Regretfully, nan man mentality is still exist, don't changed even though you are sinezed from around 2,000 year.

 

[Snomannen]

You can slap on face of your father first becourse he didn't care about the minimum education to you. Regretfully, nan man mentality is still exist, don't changed even though you are sinezed from around 2,000 year.

Nonsense and nonsense~ A pity single-celled organisms dare to say the word [education]. Come on, you don't even have any of it, stupid loser~ And you even dare to put the word 南蠻 on your ugly mouth, again~ You are here the really 南蠻 to us you freaking uneducated retard. You are really a shame to yourself and to your parents, ha.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

There is this Vietnamese guy who did a fantastic job on analyzing Vietnamese and comparing Vietnamese with various Southern Cantonese lect.

What Makes Chinese so Vietnamese? - dchph

He did a lot of good research. His work is not for faint hearted. From his work and other sources, I am fully convince that Vietnamese is phonetically close to cantonese in pronunciation of Sino Xenic words -- compared to Mandarin.

That is not a surprise as the proximity of Cantonese people with Vietnamese causes Sino Xenic words to be pronounced phonetically close to Cantonese than Mandarin, which is a Northern Sinitic lect.

From his (dchph) work, I cannot see how much "Khmer" is left in Vietnamese language. Vietnamese has a Khmer base, just like Japanese has a Japonic base and Korean has a Koreanic base. While Japonic base and Koreanic base is still largely there despite of large amount of Sino Xenic lexicon, the Khmer base of Vietnamese has very little left.

I would think Vietnamese is closer to Sino Tibetan than Austroasiatic or Khmer.

I want to add additional input. A interesting case is the pronunciation of a lot Japanese Sino Xenic words is close to Min Nan due to the reason that Min Nan close to old Chinese, which Japanese has borrowed.

 

[Soryu]

Its against the forum rule to advertise mail order brides. Post reported.

What did you mean, kid!?

 

[Wholegrain]

You can slap on face of your father first becourse he didn't care about the minimum education to you. Regretfully, nan man mentality is still exist, don't changed even though you are sinezed from around 2,000 year.

Southern Vietnamese must be Chams and Khmers who were Vietnamized and brainwashed into thinking they are Kinh, we must reawaken them from their slave mentality and they should throw off northern Kinh rule from Hanoi.

 

[Soryu]

Southern Vienamese must be Chams and Khmers who were Vietnamized and brainwashed into thinking they are Kinh, we must reawaken them from their slave mentality and they should throw off northern Kinh rule from Hanoi.

Like this?

 

[Wholegrain]

Like this?

Tell the Japanese mental masturbator who made that map that the Hui and Salar Muslims of Qinghai would kick the Dalai Lama's butt if Tibetans tried to annex Qinghai like they did in 1932

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He also needs to be reminded of what Hui Muslims did to the East Turkestan Republics

Kumul Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ili Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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