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who benefit if there's an innovation in VCP to pro-US, pro-Japan ? Who lose ?
China didn't have major investment in Vietnam, China didn't earn many money from Vietnam market, China didn't import water & electronic power from Vietnam, China didn't import industrial raw materials from Vietnam, China didn't import many goods from Vietnam. Without Vietnam, China is still the world N.o2 economic entity.

But what about Vietnam ? If China close the Northern border trade, shut down electronic power export right now. Pro-US or Pro-Japan, u'd better ask more money from above nations to support ur economy development.


Like @gambit said, one day Vietamese who dislike their government will help CIA to kick VCP out. CIA's democracy will come to ur home. :rofl: Ur Vietnam will be as democratic & rich as former South Vietnam. :pop:
 
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That is up to the VN people. Right now, I see that the VCP is under pressure from anti-china civilian public, China and US.

I mentioned this in the earlier thread about the possible VN colour revolution, the US is very clever!

I can positively say that at this moment the viet military is pro USA and the key person there is the defense minister, general Thant, in the discussions of what to do after the oil rig left, he had a hard line position against china, but in the end he sided with the majority of the pro china faction for the sake of party unity.

China didn't have major investment in Vietnam, China didn't earn many money from Vietnam market, China didn't import water & electronic power from Vietnam, China didn't import industrial raw materials from Vietnam, China didn't import many goods from Vietnam. Without Vietnam, China is still the world N.o2 economic entity.

But what about Vietnam ? If China close the Northern border trade, shut down electronic power export right now. Pro-US or Pro-Japan, u'd better ask more money from above nations to support ur economy development.


Like @gambit said, one day Vietamese who dislike their government will help CIA to kick VCP out.

Not really, vietnam exports to china are only 10% of their exports and are lower quality type of products of no particular importance; they are already quite busy looking for other customers for those exports as well as alternative suppliers for raw materials, particularly from India, etc. The oil rig event was the wake up call for vietnam to break their dependence from china and anyway, exports of electronic equipment are skyrocketing now in Vietnam because of massive foreign investment from Korea and others, trade balance is in the black for the first time and going up very fast.
 
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Not really, vietnam exports to china are only 10% of their exports and are lower quality type of products of no particular importance; they are already quite busy looking for other customers for those exports as well as alternative suppliers for raw materials, particularly from India, etc. The oil rig event was the wake up call for vietnam to break their dependence from china and anyway, exports of electronic equipment are skyrocketing now in Vietnam because of massive foreign investment from Korea and others, trade balance is in the black for the first time and going up very fast.
If u r a businessman, how u know the different cost between land and sea transportation ? Well Vietnam can search alternative suppliers like India, Japan, South America etc not China, and spend ur more money on sea cargos.

Vietnam mainly export agricultural products and fish to China, inside China market i didn't see any Made in Vietnam yet. When ur Made in Vietnam can cheaper than Made in China, it might work.to look for other customers.

Anyway Pro-US or Pro-Japan, Vietnam can not hurt a finger to China economy, Vietnam has no any influence in China market. When @BoQ77 ask Who lose ? It never be China.

BTW u lack to check how many goods Vietnam import from China.
 
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I can positively say that at this moment the viet military is pro USA and the key person there is the defense minister, general Thant, in the discussions of what to do after the oil rig left, he had a hard line position against china, but in the end he sided with the majority of the pro china faction for the sake of party unity.

It looks complicated. There seems to be three party that is presurring the VCP: the US, China and the civilians.
Majority of politicians want to be pro-China.
Minority politicians and military wants to be pro-US
Civilians anti-China
and then...

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Not really, vietnam exports to china are only 10% of their exports and are lower quality type of products of no particular importance; they are already quite busy looking for other customers for those exports as well as alternative suppliers for raw materials, particularly from India, etc. The oil rig event was the wake up call for vietnam to break their dependence from china and anyway, exports of electronic equipment are skyrocketing now in Vietnam because of massive foreign investment from Korea and others, trade balance is in the black for the first time and going up very fast.

China is part of VN's supply line. Your factories depends on raw material and machinery from china. The supporting industry in VN is almost non existence. If China close the trading border, your manufacturing industry will collapse. You know the new Samsung Galaxy note 4 phone? they have problem securing metal product frames for their phone because no local VN supporting company can manufacture it and Apple already taken all the orders in China. This just show that even huge investor like Samsung still depends on China as part of the supply chain. You do business in VN, you should already know.

Oh yea, I also haven't mentioned about the electricity that VN has to import from China.
 
If u r a businessman, how u know the different cost between land and sea transportation ? Well Vietnam can search alternative suppliers like India, Japan, South America etc not China, and spend ur more money on sea cargos.

Vietnam mainly export agricultural products and fish to China, inside China market i didn't see any Made in Vietnam yet. When ur Made in Vietnam can cheaper than Made in China, it might work.to look for other customers.

Anyway Pro-US or Pro-Japan, Vietnam can not hurt a finger to China economy, Vietnam has no any influence in China market. When @BoQ77 ask Who lose ? It never be China.

BTW u lack to check how many goods Vietnam import from China.

Freight cost is a very small part of the total cost of product, its not a significant difference.

The point here is not china depending on vietnam which obviously it doesn't, but rather vietnam not really depending that much on china since vietnam is the underdog.
 
China didn't have major investment in Vietnam, China didn't earn many money from Vietnam market, China didn't import water & electronic power from Vietnam, China didn't import industrial raw materials from Vietnam, China didn't import many goods from Vietnam. Without Vietnam, China is still the world N.o2 economic entity.

But what about Vietnam ? If China close the Northern border trade, shut down electronic power export right now. Pro-US or Pro-Japan, u'd better ask more money from above nations to support ur economy development.


Like @gambit said, one day Vietamese who dislike their government will help CIA to kick VCP out. CIA's democracy will come to ur home. :rofl: Ur Vietnam will be as democratic & rich as former South Vietnam. :pop:

so naive ... they are more than happy to bring money here ...

You will never believe but at this moment, Vietnam is denying their money ...

TPP regulated that Vietnam would not use raw material from China.
That's why Chinese race for building factories to produce raw materials right in Vietnam.
Taiwanese, Hongkong doing so too ...

When Vietnam reach the agreement of joining TPP, everything will change.

For Samsung, they not come Vietnam alone, they bring their satellites along

It looks complicated. There seems to be three party that is presurring the VCP: the US, China and the civilians.
Majority of politicians want to be pro-China.
Minority politicians and military wants to be pro-US
Civilians anti-China
and then...





China is part of VN's supply line. Your factories depends on raw material and machinery from china. The supporting industry in VN is almost non existence. If China close the trading border, your manufacturing industry will collapse. You know the new Samsung Galaxy note 4 phone? they have problem securing metal product frames for their phone because no local VN supporting company can manufacture it and Apple already taken all the orders in China. This just show that even huge investor like Samsung still depends on China as part of the supply chain. You do business in VN, you should already know.

Oh yea, I also haven't mentioned about the electricity that VN has to import from China.
 
It looks complicated. There seems to be three party that is presurring the VCP: the US, China and the civilians.
Majority of politicians want to be pro-China.
Minority politicians and military wants to be pro-US
Civilians anti-China
and then...

uncle-sam-we-want-you1-kopie_1.png




China is part of VN's supply line. Your factories depends on raw material and machinery from china. The supporting industry in VN is almost non existence. If China close the trading border, your manufacturing industry will collapse. You know the new Samsung Galaxy note 4 phone? they have problem securing metal product frames for their phone because no local VN supporting company can manufacture it and Apple already taken all the orders in China. This just show that even huge investor like Samsung still depends on China as part of the supply chain. You do business in VN, you should already know.

Oh yea, I also haven't mentioned about the electricity that VN has to import from China.

The chinese supply line actually has a lot of negative issues for vietnam also, vietnam is better off diversifying suppliers, china is not the only one, the koreans and japanese are setting up significant support industries.

The amount of electricity imported by vietnam is not that significant, it doesn't make or brake anything.

so naive ... they are more than happy to bring money here ...

You will never believe but at this moment, Vietnam is denying their money ...

TPP regulated that Vietnam would not use raw material from China.
That's why Chinese race for building factories to produce raw materials right in Vietnam.
Taiwanese, Hongkong doing so too ...

When Vietnam reach the agreement of joining TPP, everything will change.

For Samsung, they not come Vietnam alone, they bring their satellites along

Correct, once in TTP, vietnam can't use chinese supplies in their export products, so they have to diversify supplies anyway.
 
so naive ... they are more than happy to bring money here ...

You will never believe but at this moment, Vietnam is denying their money ...
It's u, so naive.

When ur mobs burn their factories in riots once again, they maybe so happy to cry out. Why foreigner happy to invest money in a unstable nation ? Except Vietnam, there'r many ASEAN nations.

Vietnam beg for foreign money, but they deny u. I ever said if oneday there's color revolution on Vietnam streets, Vietnamese might say Bye to today development. I believe right now CIA like @gambit and Vietnamese corrupt senior officials r doing the same work together in Vietnam.
 
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correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems the Chinese posters consensus is it's better for them to be under the Chinese sphere of influence??
seems like the Chinese have a superiority complex over Vietnam and it's neighbors in general.
this starting to sound more like a master and dog relationship.

I have nothing but respect for the Vietnamese
If Vietnam truly wants to turn a new leaf and become more capitalistic and democratic it shouldn't look to the U.S but
it should look to it's neighbors in Taiwan,South Korea, and Japan in that regard.
 
It's u, so naive.

When ur mobs burn their factories in riots once again, they maybe so happy to cry out. Why foreigner happy to invest money in a unstable nation ? Except Vietnam, there'r many ASEAN nations.

Vietnam beg for foreign money, but they deny u.

You may not believe, even Vietnam riots killed Chinese, but Chinese will continue to invest in Vietnam as TPP suppliers of raw materials. Vietnam under NEGO not only TPP but EU FTA altogether ...

Why you don't think TPP to Vietnam, but not Indonesia, Thailand, ....

You should monitor some industries would be stars in Vietnam ( have big export amount growing)
1. Electronics
2. Garment, textile
3. Shoes, leather .

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You consider unrest, terror attack in China, riots against Japanese as stable ???
Vietnam more than stable, just a few day of riots, still better than China, Thailand ...

Recently, we saw China govt treated unfair to FDI, like Apple, Microsoft, ... they also never pay compensate to Japanese damage ... We never do that. So they believe our good will
 
You may not believe, even Vietnam riots killed Chinese, but Chinese will continue to invest in Vietnam as TPP suppliers of raw materials. Vietnam under NEGO not only TPP but EU FTA altogether ...

Why you don't think TPP to Vietnam, but not Indonesia, Thailand, ....

You should monitor some industries would be stars in Vietnam ( have big export amount growing)
1. Electronics
2. Garment, textile
3. Shoes, leather .

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You consider unrest, terror attack in China, riots against Japanese as stable ???
Three industries u mentioned, also producing in many developing nations specially in ASEAN nations.
1. Many years ago we used Made in Thai HardDisk, Made in Malaysia Intel's CPU, Made in Philippines DVD.
2. All developing nations producing garment, textile.
3. All developing nations producing shoes, leather.

Not usual and Chinese didn't burn factories (except shops). The main difference, is the big China market can attract those foreign investors, and better internal economy situation.
 
I ever said if oneday there's color revolution on Vietnam streets, Vietnamese might say Bye to today development. I believe right now CIA like @gambit and Vietnamese corrupt senior officials r doing the same work together in Vietnam.

And what would happen if one day there is a color revolution in china?
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems the Chinese posters consensus is it's better for them to be under the Chinese sphere of influence??
seems like the Chinese have a superiority complex over Vietnam and it's neighbors in general.
this starting to sound more like a master and dog relationship.

I have nothing but respect for the Vietnamese
If Vietnam truly wants to turn a new leaf and become more capitalistic and democratic it shouldn't look to the U.S but
it should look to it's neighbors in Taiwan,South Korea, and Japan in that regard.
It's complex feelings, For China the Vietnam controlled by VCP is better than a Republic of Vietnam. Whether VCP decide to pro-US, this change must affect their domestic politics. I think most Chinese members in PDF like me, agree there will be a color revolution in Vietnam like former Soviet Union.

We will watch the show on Vietnam streets.:pop:

And what would happen if one day there is a color revolution in china?
The letter tell us, color revolution is much more earlier in Vietnam than in China.
How long do u feel color revolution occur in China ? This thread is all about a open letter call for end communism in Vietnam.
 
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Three industries u mentioned, also producing in many developing nations specially in ASEAN nations.
1. Many years ago we used Made in Thai HardDisk, Made in Malaysia Intel's CPU, Made in Philippines DVD.
2. All developing nations producing garment, textile.
3. All developing nations producing shoes, leather.

Not usual and Chinese didn't burn factories (except shops). The main difference, is the big China market can attract those foreign investors, and better internal economy situation.

Because you show strange in this, I must say that " I based on real fact and comment as a FTA analyst ...
Before and after TPP joining ( in or outside of TPP ) ... are two totally different phases.

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Footwear sector takes big steps


HA NOI (VNS) — Domestic and foreign-invested enterprises (FIEs) in the leather and footwear sector continue to show impressive growth, making Viet Nam the second largest global exporter of footwear.

The Viet Nam Leather and Footwear Association (Lefaso), said that in the first six months of the year, the nation's footwear exports jumped 17.8 per cent year-on-year to US$4.8 billion and the value is expected to surpass $11 billion by this year-end, radio The Voice of Viet Nam (VOV) reported.

The global demand has risen mainly due to the economic recovery in the US and the EU, said the association, and the free trade pacts expected to be signed will give a further impetus to Viet Nam's leather and footwear exports.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Agreement and Viet Nam-EU Free Trade Agreement (VEFTA) are likely to be signed later this year or early next year, and the optimism it is generating has resulted in huge investments in the leather and footwear sector.

Numerous projects awash with foreign funding are being set up throughout the country in these sectors, with state-of-the-art technologies, and modernised and streamlined facilities that are adding value to their production processes.

Suppliers of imported raw materials are also making significant investments in the sector, carving out a niche in the Vietnamese market, while aggressively looking for opportunities to tie-up with Vietnamese partners.

They are unanimous in the view that once the TPP and VEFTA come into effect, 2014 would be a crucial year to lay the foundations and reap the benefits of increased trading activities.

The opportunities are there and it is up to the domestic businesses to grab them, Tran Vi Co, Director of Hien Dat Exhibition and Trading Services Company said.

Lefaso President Nguyen Duc Thuan emphasised that the increase in use of domestic material has generated a lot of interest.

The leather sector has, till now, used only around 30 per cent of its domestic materials, but this will increase significantly in the future, Thuan said, adding the country is developing two leather industrial zones in two main regions.

Furthermore, smaller industrial zones in key regions are in various stages of development to produce other materials, such as synthetic leather, shoe soles, and decorating materials.

HCM City is going through a revolutionary transformation as a centre for the supply and exchange of raw materials for the whole sector.

The sector has set a target of using 100 per cent domestic tanned leather by 2020, and 50 per cent of synthetic leather and 70 per cent of shoe soles by 2050, Thuan said.

Currently, Lefaso has devised measures to help the sector develop sustainably in the future. Training is one of its priorities.

Accordingly, a human resource-training centre will be set up in the southern region in 2015. — VNS

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Footwear industry welcomes new development waves

Cập nhật: 11/07/2014 - 09:13
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(VEN) - According to the Vietnam Leather and Footwear Association (LEFASO) in 2014, total export revenue of the whole industry is expected to reach US$14 billion. The target of Vietnam’s footwear industry in the next 10 years is to be listed in the world’s top 10 leather and footwear producers.
Rapid and stable growth

Director of the Light Industry Department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade (MOIT) Phan Chi Dung said there are 812 operating enterprises in the leather and footwear industry, attracting more than 624,000 laborers across Vietnam. Over 60 percent of production capacities are of those located in Ho Chi Minh City, Binh Duong, Dong Nai and Long An. Among them, footwear producers account for 63.5 percent, followed by producers of briefcases, bags and wallets of all kinds which account for 32 percent and the rest is tanned leather producers.

The leather and footwear industry plays a very important role in the development of Vietnam’s economy. It ranks third in terms of export revenue (behind mobile phones and garment and textile products). The total export revenue of leather and footwear products in the first five months of 2014 reached US$3.89 billion, a 21.19 percent increase compared with the same period last year. Along with export, the domestic market has also seen a rapid growth. In 2013, 130 million pairs of shoes were sold in Vietnam, posting a year on year growth of over 25 percent.

Lefaso's deputy chairman Diep Thanh Kiet said Vietnam’s major products like sport and canvas shoes are preferred in traditional markets including the US, the EU and Japan. Many domestic enterprises have developed production scales and affirmed its brands in the world market. For example, Thai Binh Shoe Investment JSC with annual output of more than 20 million shoes and four million briefcases earns export revenue of over US$400 million. Binh Tien Imex Corp or Bitis has annual export revenue of over US$150 million and occupies 30 percent of the domestic market shares.

Welcoming new development waves

According to General Secretary of the Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry Pham Thi Thu Hang who is also a member of a World Bank’s research team about light industry development in Vietnam, the Vietnam’s leather and footwear industry has many advantages and opportunities for better development. That is the price competition in the word market and its products have been distributed to most big markets like US, the EU and Japan.

Vietnam has recently attracted a large number of orders from small and niche markets of the footwear industry. In the first five months of this year, exports increased sharply to markets like Finland up 152 percent, Chile 83.4 percent, Poland 71.5 percent and the UAE 58.04 percent.

In addition, the Generalized System of Preferences GSP, the Vietnam-EU FTA and the Trans-Pacific Strategic Partnership Agreement (TPP) will also create opportunities for export businesses in the near future. Now many Vietnamese shoe and handbag producers are actually just in the lower segment of the global supply chain. By joining the FTAs, Vietnam is attracting investors to pour investment in domestic material regions.

Specifically, a number of Chinese have opened factories in Mong Cai and Hoa Binh or two companies of Hong Kong also have partnered with Vinatex Investment JSC to develop the Rang Dong Textile Industrial Park project in Nam Dinh Province. Phan Chi Dung also said although massive investment waves have not been recorded, foreign enterprises have deployed their projects very quickly thanks to strong financial resources and they also pour investment to enjoy incentives and of course earn profits.

Enterprises in the footwear sector are always in need of large foreign currency volumes to import raw materials. Therefore, they need banks that could help them access sources of capital quickly, so that they could seize opportunities to develop production and business activities and compete more efficiently./.
 
Because you show strange in this, I must say that " I based on real fact and comment as a FTA analyst ...
Before and after TPP joining ( in or outside of TPP ) ... are two totally different phases.

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Footwear sector takes big steps


HA NOI (VNS) — Domestic and foreign-invested enterprises (FIEs) in the leather and footwear sector continue to show impressive growth, making Viet Nam the second largest global exporter of footwear.

The Viet Nam Leather and Footwear Association (Lefaso), said that in the first six months of the year, the nation's footwear exports jumped 17.8 per cent year-on-year to US$4.8 billion and the value is expected to surpass $11 billion by this year-end, radio The Voice of Viet Nam (VOV) reported.

The global demand has risen mainly due to the economic recovery in the US and the EU, said the association, and the free trade pacts expected to be signed will give a further impetus to Viet Nam's leather and footwear exports.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Agreement and Viet Nam-EU Free Trade Agreement (VEFTA) are likely to be signed later this year or early next year, and the optimism it is generating has resulted in huge investments in the leather and footwear sector.

Numerous projects awash with foreign funding are being set up throughout the country in these sectors, with state-of-the-art technologies, and modernised and streamlined facilities that are adding value to their production processes.

Suppliers of imported raw materials are also making significant investments in the sector, carving out a niche in the Vietnamese market, while aggressively looking for opportunities to tie-up with Vietnamese partners.

They are unanimous in the view that once the TPP and VEFTA come into effect, 2014 would be a crucial year to lay the foundations and reap the benefits of increased trading activities.

The opportunities are there and it is up to the domestic businesses to grab them, Tran Vi Co, Director of Hien Dat Exhibition and Trading Services Company said.

Lefaso President Nguyen Duc Thuan emphasised that the increase in use of domestic material has generated a lot of interest.

The leather sector has, till now, used only around 30 per cent of its domestic materials, but this will increase significantly in the future, Thuan said, adding the country is developing two leather industrial zones in two main regions.

Furthermore, smaller industrial zones in key regions are in various stages of development to produce other materials, such as synthetic leather, shoe soles, and decorating materials.

HCM City is going through a revolutionary transformation as a centre for the supply and exchange of raw materials for the whole sector.

The sector has set a target of using 100 per cent domestic tanned leather by 2020, and 50 per cent of synthetic leather and 70 per cent of shoe soles by 2050, Thuan said.

Currently, Lefaso has devised measures to help the sector develop sustainably in the future. Training is one of its priorities.

Accordingly, a human resource-training centre will be set up in the southern region in 2015. — VNS

I read some analysis of joining TPP by some Thai from internet. I forgot all the thing except only one thing.
TPP will give very high protection on drug/medicine patent, which is likely to increase the price of medicine.
Since I am not the expert about international trade or patent, I don't know if it is a free or fare trade.
One thing I know is I am fully against drug price rise. It is as important as my food, coz I need to eat drug when I am old.
So VN better check about this before VN sign.
 
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