Vietnam vs India: dictatarship wins over democracy

[Abotani]

many Indian people are working in very poor conditions with very low salaries

Ever seen their productivity?They work for very less pay yes,but they work very little as well,usually.Not to say that lots of hard workers don't exist among 1200 million people but generally Indians are rather unproductive or lazy.The work will always be put off with one reason/excuse or another.
To illustrate,my clan is in the construction sector and the labourers always and I mean always,strike to demand a pay hike in the middle of an important project,essentially holding investments worth hundreds of thousands or even millions hostage to their whims.Add to that they shirk their duties requiring multiples of actually required labour force and just misappropriate raw materials to sell on the black market cheap and report it as wastage.It doesn't matter if they reported on time or not,worked their required hours or not,that they were just skulking about or not,you got to pay them for the privilege of employing them and better be grateful at that.They are so much of a bother that we actually had to mechanise as much as possible even though labour is available at such low rates.

Long story short-Indians work the hours but the work doesn't appear in their efforts.

 

[Zarrar Alvi]

Your signature shows your India obsession.

it means go modi go your congress friend wrote it for me when the election were held in India

 

[ashok mourya]

Ever seen their productivity?They work for very less pay yes,but they work very little as well,usually.Not to say that lots of hard workers don't exist among 1200 million people but generally Indians are rather unproductive or lazy.The work will always be put off with one reason/excuse or another.
To illustrate,my clan is in the construction sector and the labourers always and I mean always,strike to demand a pay hike in the middle of an important project,essentially holding investments worth hundreds of thousands or even millions hostage to their whims.Add to that they shirk their duties requiring multiples of actually required labour force and just misappropriate raw materials to sell on the black market cheap and report it as wastage.It doesn't matter if they reported on time or not,worked their required hours or not,that they were just skulking about or not,you got to pay them for the privilege of employing them and better be grateful at that.They are so much of a bother that we actually had to mechanise as much as possible even though labour is available at such low rates.

Long story short-Indians work the hours but the work doesn't appear in their efforts.

You are right.

 

[mike2000]

Well Vietnam is a friend country to Indians so we are happy for them.

Agree, due to India and Vietnam mistrust of China, they both have common interests in partnering together, eventhough they are very different culturally/politically,economically and in almost every other field, since Vietnam is mostly East Asian/SEA oriented country.

Coming to topic, its true that Vietnam is indeed ahead of India in basic living conditions/standards/literacy/education/sanitation/infrastructure and you name it. However, we should also know that Vietnam through communism got the basics right(Unlike India), Vietnam was already ahead of India in all living standards longgg ago when it turned communist, so its not something that just hapened today, it has been the case for decades even before Vietnam opened up to world trade. So i dont think it has to do with political system as one member here said, it has more to with governance and policy than cultural superiority or whatever. To be honest im more optimistic about Vietnam widening the gap between it and India than otherwise, But this doesnt means India will/is regressing, No on the contrary, India will keep growing heathily and also improving ikts living conditions/standards, the only difference is that Vietnam will perform much better than it, since Vietnam has better basic facilities/infrastructure/better FDI and manufacturing policies/attractiveness/ssupply chain closeness to China,manufacturing appeal for MNCs, better education/literacy etc than India. But India is still a bigger country and will also keep growingh/improving.

 

[kaykay]

Agree, due to India and Vietnam mistrust of China, they both have common interests in partnering together, eventhough they are very different culturally/politically,economically and in almost every other field, since Vietnam is mostly East Asian/SEA oriented country.

Coming to topic, its true that Vietnam is indeed ahead of India in basic living conditions/standards/literacy/education/sanitation/infrastructure and you name it. However, we should also know that Vietnam through communism got the basics right(Unlike India), Vietnam was already ahead of India in all living standards longgg ago when it turned communist, so its not something that just hapened today, it has been the case for decades even before Vietnam opened up to world trade. So i dont think it has to do with political system as one member here said, it has more to with governance and policy than cultural superiority or whatever. To be honest im more optimistic about Vietnam widening the gap between it and India than otherwise, But this doesnt means India will/is regressing, No on the contrary, India will keep growing heathily and also improving ikts living conditions/standards, the only difference is that Vietnam will perform much better than it, since Vietnam has better basic facilities/infrastructure/better FDI and manufacturing policies/attractiveness/ssupply chain closeness to China,manufacturing appeal for MNCs, better education/literacy etc than India. But India is still a bigger country and will also keep growingh/improving.

Hey hold on. Whats the point? Almost every European democracy beat China in Living standards and things you mentioned. Even neighbouring Japan do and South Korea do. so? Things are different and can't be compared. And again whatever, Vietnam is a friend country and we are happy for them.

 

[mike2000]

Hey hold on. Whats the point? Almost every European democracy beat China in Living standards and things you mentioned. Even neighbouring Japan do and South Korea do. so? Things are different and can't be compared. And again whatever, Vietnam is a friend country and we are happy for them.

I never said otherwise bro. The topic is about India and Vietnam, not China and its east Asian peers. Reason i dont/didnt mentioned China and Japan/South Korea. Had it involved the two later countries, then i will have discussed it in more details. So we are merely focusing on the topic at hand. We can also open a thread about China and its east Asian peers......now that will be interesting, since China stilll lags behind thoese two(Japan and South Korea).

 

[Yizhi]

non-democracy vs. democracy. (i don't know the rationale behind these scores, they just happened to be in the database.)

conclusion: no significant difference.

i think i've had similar discussions that even if Vietnam (China) 'wins', India shouldn't, or couldn't emulate the system. eventually a political system should suit the country's history and culture thus deliver positive results that ppl are generally satisfied with. so it makes sense for Vietnam to copy the China model (with Vietnamese adaptions) since we basically share the same culture, while India is a completely different story.

 

[MohitV]

well done viet brothers



but india will surpass u soon....unfortunately

 

[arbit]

In my statistics, Thai people view India as inferior culture because India has caste system.

How is that even relevant? These two things have no correlation.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

well done viet brothers



but india will surpass u soon....unfortunately

How is that even relevant? The two things have no correlation.

non-democracy vs. democracy. (i don't know the rationale behind these scores, they just happened to be in the database.)
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conclusion: no significant difference.

i think i've had similar discussions that even if Vietnam (China) 'wins', India shouldn't, or couldn't emulate the system. eventually a political system should suit the country's history and culture thus deliver positive results that ppl are generally satisfied with. so it makes sense for Vietnam to copy the China model (with Vietnamese adaptions) since we basically share the same culture, while India is a completely different story.

I never said otherwise bro. The topic is about India and Vietnam, not China and its east Asian peers. Reason i dont/didnt mentioned China and Japan/South Korea. Had it involved the two later countries, then i will have discussed it in more details. So we are merely focusing on the topic at hand. We can also open a thread about China and its east Asian peers......now that will be interesting, since China stilll lags behind thoese two(Japan and South Korea).

Hey hold on. Whats the point? Almost every European democracy beat China in Living standards and things you mentioned. Even neighbouring Japan do and South Korea do. so? Things are different and can't be compared. And again whatever, Vietnam is a friend country and we are happy for them.

I know one thing why India will not surpass China or Vietnam. Both China and Vietnam did land reform. India under Nehru only have some minor land reform.

Without land reform and the subsequent destruction of landed parasitic class, India development however good now will stall.

 

[arbit]

I know one thing why India will not surpass China or Vietnam. Both China and Vietnam did land reform. India under Nehru only have some minor land reform.

Without land reform and the subsequent destruction of landed parasitic class, India development however good now will stall.

No offence bro but get educated. You have a long way to go to know anything about india to comment on it in any commendable way.

By the way good luck with development of Vietnam. We wish you all the luck.

 

[singh sahab]

it means go modi go your congress friend wrote it for me when the election were held in India

Modi was not P.M. of India then. Now, He is. So show some respect to him even if you hate him.

 

[Viet]

well done viet brothers

but india will surpass u soon....unfortunately

no problem at all. competition is always good. india is ahead of vietnam in many fields, for example you have metro system since years in place, while we are just to have it. a model of the first metro for Saigon.

 

[esolve]

Agree, due to India and Vietnam mistrust of China, they both have common interests in partnering together, eventhough they are very different culturally/politically,economically and in almost every other field, since Vietnam is mostly East Asian/SEA oriented country.

Coming to topic, its true that Vietnam is indeed ahead of India in basic living conditions/standards/literacy/education/sanitation/infrastructure and you name it. However, we should also know that Vietnam through communism got the basics right(Unlike India), Vietnam was already ahead of India in all living standards longgg ago when it turned communist, so its not something that just hapened today, it has been the case for decades even before Vietnam opened up to world trade. So i dont think it has to do with political system as one member here said, it has more to with governance and policy than cultural superiority or whatever. To be honest im more optimistic about Vietnam widening the gap between it and India than otherwise, But this doesnt means India will/is regressing, No on the contrary, India will keep growing heathily and also improving ikts living conditions/standards, the only difference is that Vietnam will perform much better than it, since Vietnam has better basic facilities/infrastructure/better FDI and manufacturing policies/attractiveness/ssupply chain closeness to China,manufacturing appeal for MNCs, better education/literacy etc than India. But India is still a bigger country and will also keep growingh/improving.

you are wrong. when Vietnam opened up, its GDP per capita was 1/3 of India

Hey hold on. Whats the point? Almost every European democracy beat China in Living standards and things you mentioned. Even neighbouring Japan do and South Korea do. so? Things are different and can't be compared. And again whatever, Vietnam is a friend country and we are happy for them.

you should have a benchmark for comparison

in 1949, China and India have nearly the same GDP per capita, but at that time, China is far far behind the west
in 1989, Vietnam's GDP per capita is about 1/3 of India

all of these nations are far far behind the west, so it is not so comparable between China and the west
but it is comparable between China and India, vietnam and India

 

[Judge]

They would have to add about 1,500 dollars in nominal GDP per capita every year, so there is every reason it cannot achieve developed status in 2 decades.

BTW, I'm talking real development, not Caribbean developed.


lol, have you seen how you guys talk to Pakistani members, and the difference in per capita is negligible at best.

And we do see how the Chinese talk to Vietnamese and Filipinos.

You don't have a good record there.

In any case, we wish nothing but the best of progress for Vietnam.