My argument were towards the claims made by a Chinese boy about his airforce.......but then you jumped in with Gulf war.......it was he who mentioned about Iraqi and Serb pilots.
The whole topic is just revolving around this false/incomplete news presented in a fanboyish manner.......and on top of that barging about 10/dozen locks being made.......and even claiming that the Vietnamese pilots told Chinese on radio links that they lost their confidence.
I never wanted to bring a Vs debate......vs debates are ann insult to the capabilities of a sophisticated fighter.
And about operating in foward lines I meant using their full coverage area on Iraqi air space and battelzone which they were denied off in early stages of the war.....and American jets had to even indulge in dogfights which might have shown different results if Iraqis had trained their pilots.
The claims are made by pupu.. whilst an online forum poster..
It was his news on the J-20 two years before we got the picture, it was his news on the J-15 before we saw the shots.
So I would add a level of veracity to his claims.
I need a link to the post saying viet pilots said on the radio to their chinese counterparts in pristine English/Cantonese/mandarin that they lost their confidence.
The only mention is of the way the viet pilots behaved in the air, showing very little aggression after having those encounters.
There were iraqi pilots trained in dogfights.. suggest you read "every man a tiger"..
some did engage US pilots in furballs.. for the most part however, superior weaponry and training prevailed for the coalition.
AEW aircraft follow a racetrack pattern a 100km or so away from the FLOT..
ONLY a complete fool would commit his HVAA's into the front.. a time AEW assets moved into Iqaf territory was when the IqAF was fleeing to Iran... awacs followed way behind F-15's and other assets chasing them down.
Red flag exercises have seen HVAA's(tankers) operating 60km behind the main force.. and using zoom climb tactics red force aircraft were able to reach these in early exercises.. 90's onwards.. red force aircraft don't even get close.
You keep deriding Chinese equipment and tactics without an ounce of logic or proof and refuse to accept the contrary..
how is that not being extremely biased..
You cant accept their argument, you have NOthing to offer in return except poo poohing everything Chinese.. then you on with troll fatwa's??