Again, you try to convince me with what you get from your goverment. I can also assure you that my information about the basis of the chinese claim are much richer than a single letter from whoever, although I am not saying they are all justified. If the chinese claims were as week as you have described, you think we chinese are so stupid to follow???
Even you delusional consersation between us about the war, we have a different version too. Sorry I am not gonna elabrate it for you. You can ask other chinese for it if any interested. My point is instead of spreading hatred towards your neighbor with vicious, even racist abuses, why not just sit down and talk solutions out just like we did on our land borders?
I know what you mean in first post that you reply to me.
But this is not only things like propaganda said by our government, I read some English document too, and in many discussion in internet forum, your chinese guys argument was never can convice me.
In my post, it's my opinion and questions about logic "share" and "core interests" (territorial) in Chinese thought.
Can you answer me about those questions !? And also explain about your version or story that you believe.
The last, sit down and talk, Vietnam Government doing it and was the side want this way most for sure. Because we are small, China's very big, we shared many mutual benefits, Vietnam want form COC and multi-negotiation, but China want dual-negotiation and take many actions made situation in SCS become worse (making pressure on Vietnam, expansion PRC'occupied in SCS in Phillipine control area, declare SCS is PRC "core interests" ...)
Well, sorry about that.
But, with China having a new leader, things might change.
But we shall see and wait.
Ok, let wait and see.
Read ur comment, i can see u didn't understand real economy situations in China.
Well i recommand u to trival below 4x main China on-line supermarkets, everyday billions of Chinese ppl including me spent money to purchase good quality goods of 'made in China', i hope urself to find out millions of good quality goods in those China on-line supermarkets, and to check prices of good quality 'made in China' selling in China.
That's normal Chinese ppl spending money on good quality 'made in China' ! (I can make sure the prices in on-line supermarket cheaper than buying from shops.)
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淘宝网 TaoBao.com
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京东商城 JD.com
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苏宁易购 Suning.com
4.
国美在线 Gome.com
The China can produce ￥5,000 Iphone5g, and can produce ￥1,000 Android smart phone, also can produce ￥200 GSM phone. We can produce ￥1,000 shirt, also can produce ￥10 T-shirt. Any kinds of different quality goods with different prices export to different foreign markets.
Just see the prices in China domestic on-line supermarket, usually ￥100 -￥5,000 they r all good quality 'made in China' for local Chinese ppl, anyone here can afford acceptable price to buy safe & good quality.
So u complain the bad quality goods flood into Vietnam from China, why not to beat 'made in China' by to produce some good quality and much cheaper 'made in Vietnam' ? and at last who finally bought these 'bad quality' China goods in Vietnam ? Why not Vietnam import much more 'made in Japan' or 'made in America' to replace 'made in China' in Vietnam market ?
If ur ppl like u just complains no solutions, the 'made in China' will continue popular in Vietnam market.
I understand what you said, I know, this is internet time.
Well, maybe you didn't know, many good quality and good price China's products in Vietnam, I saw it, try it, buy some and I know. But that's all legal, taxable, good product (Lenovo , Oppo smartphone, some clothes brand...) .
The rest are smuggled goods, no quality checkup, fake, and even many traders didn't know those product (clothes, food, drugs, medical products,...) have toxic or no good for health, they just want sell cheaper good and get money.
When we found it, we arrest them and seizure their goods, fined them in rules.
But since we know it's Chinese product, and it's no good for us, how can we are not blame China for this!?
But I didn't has intended to discuss on this topic at first, just explain to you about "anti-China" on "common sense" in Vietnam.
P/S:
1. some of my friends buy goods from Taobao, and got fake product: one buy external HDD 1TB, and get Western Digital case, inside are one 256mb disk and two big heavy screws.
2. We import many product from Japan and USA, European for sure, but China's product has advantage is cheap price, especially with those smuggled clothes, bad quality but good color and appearance.
