Vietnam, India Boost Naval Ties to Counter China

[Tshering22]

Exactly what can India sell to Vietnam?

Berthing in Vietnam ports is what is called in military terminology - threat in being.

Let's see:

- Dhruv ALH
- Dhruv gunship
- Tejas Mk2 and onward (Vietnamese have good heavy fighters but their light fleet is old).
- Arjun Mk2 and onwards (Arjun is among the best on the planet and with more modifications, it will be deadly)
- Stealth warships, frigates and corvettes.
- Ammunition for artillery
- BrahMos
- Nirbhay
- Astra
- Quasi-ballistic missiles armed on Vietnamese ships like Shaurya.
- Pontoon-based submersible missiles like the K family of missiles.
- Military radars like Rajendra radar.
- Airawat AWACS.
- IJT-36 Sitara jet trainer
- MRTA transport aircraft in near future.

That's a lot of things in the near future from 2012 onwards mate. And many of the things we can sell even now. Indian weapons stand at a unique position since most of the technology used is a mix of western and eastern styles of development thus offering good merits of both sides.

 

[Tshering22]

guys, you need to understand Vietnamese capital is within 150km distance from the Chinese border. indian capital is within 300km distance from the border.

when things go ugly, we can use WS-2D rockets to remove these two cities from world map using dirty cheap rockets. now think it again, would you still want to have China as your enemy?

there is something I really don't understand: why you want your children to inherent a superpower enemy?

Do you really think that your cities' distance would matter in a war? Beijing and Shanghai are also very well within Indian missiles' ranges and it has been our speciality to maintain what is secret as secret in terms of number of missiles. Dirty missile or hygienic missile (pun intended), you will suffer equal if not worse than anything you plan to target. So make up your mind if you want to transform your entire neighborhood into a warzone or continue the friendliness we had for the last 2 millennia?

 

[Tshering22]

The estimation of nuclear destructive power:

1. Russia ~ 1,273 megaton
2. USA ~ 570 megaton
3. China ~ 294 megaton
4. France ~ 55 megaton
5. UK ~ 16 megaton
6. Israel ~ 1.5 - 4 megaton
7. India ~ 0.8 - 1 megaton
8. Pakistan ~ 0.6 - 1 megaton
9. North Korea ~ Unknown

NTI: Nuclear Disarmament

We also have an enormous geographical advantage. We can hit all of India's major cities, with short-range missiles based in Tibet.

India on the other hand, will require her very longest range missiles, just to target the cities on China's eastern coast.

Do you seriously think that we don't cover you? Agni-II itself deployed in eastern India, can reach Shanghai while Beijing has recently come within our range including your northernmost province of Shenyang. During wartime, there will be equal deployments on our side of border just as it will be on your side including attempts to take out transport lines. Knowing our border terrain, that would pose more than just a few problems for the supply line stretch that you're planning to connect with railways with our border.

Transport's destruction would mean bigger problems for you than us since your supply bases are far away from Tibetan lines compared to ours which are very very close to the border.

So keep your warplans shelved; we're talking about strategic tie-ups. You will suffer equally worse in a war. Tibet is completely empty in terms of any active deployments and even if it is there, you won't know it. What makes you think NE states are not armed to teeth with ballistic missiles? We have silos full of missiles here as well you know.

Regarding the figures you showed about the destructive capability of nukes of each country, I would tell you that these are only estimated. We can choose to reveal them or not. Remember we also have thermonuclear devises long before US could put a sanction on us.

 

[Nestea]

Let's see:

- Dhruv ALH
- Dhruv gunship
- Tejas Mk2 and onward (Vietnamese have good heavy fighters but their light fleet is old).
- Arjun Mk2 and onwards (Arjun is among the best on the planet and with more modifications, it will be deadly)
- Stealth warships, frigates and corvettes.
- Ammunition for artillery
- BrahMos
- Nirbhay
- Astra
- Quasi-ballistic missiles armed on Vietnamese ships like Shaurya.
- Pontoon-based submersible missiles like the K family of missiles.
- Military radars like Rajendra radar.
- Airawat AWACS.
- IJT-36 Sitara jet trainer
- MRTA transport aircraft in near future.

That's a lot of things in the near future from 2012 onwards mate. And many of the things we can sell even now. Indian weapons stand at a unique position since most of the technology used is a mix of western and eastern styles of development thus offering good merits of both sides.

Garbage + fantasy =

 

[Tshering22]

No, for several reasons.

1) India's leaders won't even respond to the stapled visas, which are an obvious provocation. They respond with appeasement.

Do you really think that idiotic Congress has any power over the military during wartime? They will simply be tossed aside as per our doctrine.

2) We have a massive trade surplus with India already, they can't give us any extra economic benefits even if they wanted to.

That means your own income gets equally screwed in a war as there would be more stress on diversifying sources other than enemy country. When a shopkeeper and a client fight, they both tend to lose equally in relative terms.

3) Pakistan is geostrategically vital to China, in terms of geography (Gwadar & Middle East pipelines)... and they also speak for us in Muslim organizations like the OIC

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Well they don't really have a choice in returns for the peanuts they make, do they? I am telling you again; you're backing the wrong horse. There is still time to reconsider this past mistake and move into a better future together.

 

[Tshering22]

Garbage + fantasy =

Someone talking about garbage when your own products are nothing but paper tested.

 

[Screambowl]

Garbage + fantasy =

troll + insanity

 

[Jason bourne]

Why chinese r behaving so violantly in regards to this thread lookss like vieatnamis have really kicked hard in there A** in 1979 .....

 

[WHF]

The estimation of nuclear destructive power:

1. Russia ~ 1,273 megaton
2. USA ~ 570 megaton
3. China ~ 294 megaton
4. France ~ 55 megaton
5. UK ~ 16 megaton
6. Israel ~ 1.5 - 4 megaton
7. India ~ 0.8 - 1 megaton
8. Pakistan ~ 0.6 - 1 megaton
9. North Korea ~ Unknown

NTI: Nuclear Disarmament

We also have an enormous geographical advantage. We can hit all of India's major cities, with short-range missiles based in Tibet.

India on the other hand, will require her very longest range missiles, just to target the cities on China's eastern coast.

So whats the point??agree u can target ur with short range missiles so , so what we will hit u by long range one hit u matters not the range of ur weapon..and one more thing we have 1 megaton power u have 294 so what will my 1 megaton deliver 24 d cold air?? or u chinese will bake ur breads using our weapons??
the equation is simple u get dirty i will behave nasty ..

 

[peaceful]

Why chinese r behaving so violantly in regards to this thread lookss like vieatnamis have really kicked hard in there A** in 1979 .....

dude, we killed 3000+ vietnamese troops in a single morning in a single battle with zero Chinese causality.

for entire 10 years, we played with them by keep having conflicts in the border area to train our troops. this also stopped them from any meaningful internal development.

you need to be brainwashed for 10+ years to believe they won the war. it is like saying Nazi won the WWII.

but you are indian, you are special, you are more than welcomed to believe that. I mean that is what people with IQ 80 do.

 

[Tshering22]

So whats the point??agree u can target ur with short range missiles so , so what we will hit u by long range one hit u matters not the range of ur weapon..and one more thing we have 1 megaton power u have 294 so what will my 1 megaton deliver 24 d cold air?? or u chinese will bake ur breads using our weapons??
the equation is simple u get dirty i will behave nasty ..

The highest yield of nuclear destruction is Tsar Bomba at a tested 57 megatons while estimated real strength of 100 megaton. From where did 294 megatons come in? That table has simply fiddled with numbers that's all.

 

[peaceful]

So whats the point??agree u can target ur with short range missiles so , so what we will hit u by long range one hit u matters not the range of ur weapon..and one more thing we have 1 megaton power u have 294 so what will my 1 megaton deliver 24 d cold air?? or u chinese will bake ur breads using our weapons??
the equation is simple u get dirty i will behave nasty ..

please don't troll.

we can target your capital without using missiles. we can just use rockets.

you understand the difference between missiles and rockets? if not, keep this in mind: a guided rocket is 3-5 times cheaper than a short range missile, this means it can be built much easier and much larger amount can be devliered to our armed forces.

 

[peaceful]

The highest yield of nuclear destruction is Tsar Bomba at a tested 57 megatons while estimated real strength of 100 megaton. From where did 294 megatons come in? That table has simply fiddled with numbers that's all.

the biggest single bomb we ever tested is a 4 million ton one. it is 4 times bigger than your entire stock.

stop trolling, face the fact: we are much stronger than india.

 

[Tshering22]

dude, we killed 3000+ vietnamese troops in a single morning in a single battle with zero Chinese causality.

Really? I never knew Sunny Deol become a Chinese citizen. . Whom are you joking around with? 3,000 troops killed with zero casualties on your side. Just like you "defeated" the Soviets with their very weapons in 1969.

for entire 10 years, we played with them by keep having conflicts in the border area to train our troops. this also stopped them from any meaningful internal development.

You make PLA sound like a bunch of Predator aliens. Snap out of your indoctrination kiddo.

you need to be brainwashed for 10+ years to believe they won the war. it is like saying Nazi won the WWII.

Look who's talking about brainwashing?

but you are indian, you are special, you are more than welcomed to believe that. I mean that is what people with IQ 80 do.

Here's an advise for you; having rapid production capability to manufacture consumption goods doesn't make Chinese IQ at 300. But then again, the great Chairman Mao has spoken so it IS 300 in China (or else just a 7.62 mm bullet in the refuter's head ).

 

[Tshering22]

the biggest single bomb we ever tested is a 4 million ton one. it is 4 times bigger than your entire stock.

stop trolling, face the fact: we are much stronger than india.

Well strength doesn't really add when you cannot win any war hands down in the region. If you think you can repeat history then you should also believe that you guys could be colonized anytime by the Japanese.