Vietnam Conducts Air-Ground Military Exercises

[William Hung]

by the way, how do you know the chinese don´t want to take back vietnam?

Because I'll be riding around northern VN on a white horse with a Javelin strapped around my back. That's why.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa, @hans said is 1-gen China active protection system on ZTZ99 tank, it's a Lazer + Smoke system, strickly a soft defense system on MBT.

But for ZTZ99A's 2-gen active protection system, it's a hard-kill defense system ... although i didn't have detail pics about it but there's test report from internal to prove 2-gen active protection system has many small bullets to hit coming missile, and it achieved satisfactory result.
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My answer is YES, China ZTZ99 and ZTZ99A has soft and hard-kill active protection system.

Thank you, things are clear now.

 

[cnleio]

$1 million for a T-54 upgrade is a waste of money.

Me with a javelin strapped to my back riding a horse through the mountains of VN can kill 100 Type-99 MBTs. This will only cost $200,000.

MBT is only needed if someone needs to occupy another country. I don't think PLA want to occupy VN.

U r just kidding me, buddy !

One Javelin launcher weight >22kg, one Javelin missile 1kg ... tell me How u feel carrying 30kg Javelin launcher + missiles ride the white horse in the mountains of VN ???

Yes, in IR image devices of MBT ... u just looks like this:

Individual IR image device for solider also normal:

Even IR Image from the UAV

 

[Viet]

Problem is why we need a war?
Unless Vietnam start a war first, it makes no sense to start a war...
China can use economy way, politics way to achieve what China want.
Why a war...

nobody in vietnam wants a war, either.

probably you don´t know this strategy of vietnam. chinese leadership scolds vietnam inviting foreigners into the south china sea, complicating the dispute. but in reality, the risk of a war reduces if other foreigners are involved. you and me will hesitant to shoot as the first because foreigners can be hurt.

 

[Carlosa]

Laser warning system is a part of active defense system.
The israel system is effective against RPGs, but not so sure about modern anti tank missile...
Current laser warning, smoke system is quite effective against missile like Javelin..

The Israeli system is VERY EFFECTIVE against antitank missiles, it defeated top Russian missiles in the war in Gaza earlier this year.

 

[William Hung]

I did see the Israeli announcement in the press, but the thing is, it was later canceled by VN (no official announcement as usual) and strangely enough, the latest info seems to be that they restarted the program again (everything in unofficial terms as always). Obviously there is something strange going on with that program, but with VN's secrecy, we never know what's going on as usual.

I don't think the deal has been signed then. Because IMI usually announce their contracts, even when their clients wanna stay anonymous.

 

[hans]

Hope to see if it is effective against modern anti tank missile like Javelin or Red-arrow
Wish to see it.
These smuggled out of date Russia RPG and missile does not make sense.

The Israeli system is VERY EFFECTIVE against antitank missiles, it defeated top Russian missiles in the war in Gaza earlier this year.

 

[Carlosa]

I don't think the deal has been signed then. Because IMI usually announce their contracts, even when their clients wanna stay anonymous.

This is what I have:

Elbit Systems to Upgrade Tanks for a Customer in the Asia-Pacific Region Under $290 Million Contract

24 March 2014

Prototype of T-54 M3 MBT upgraded by Israel, VPA will upgrade the entire battalion of 10 tanks T-54 / 55, with each battalion equipped with 31 vehicles. There will be about 310 T-54/55 tanks to be upgraded (photo : hoangsa)

Haifa, Israel – Elbit Systems Ltd. (NASDAQ and TASE: "ESLT") (“Elbit Systems”) announced today, that it was awarded a contract by a customer in the Asia-Pacific region to perform a tank upgrade program. The contract, valued at approximately $290 million, will be performed over a three-year period.

The upgrade program will provide the tanks with night operation capabilities by the supply of a variety of advanced systems, such as gunner sights and fire control systems.

Elbit Systems President and CEO, Bezhalel (Butzi) Machlis, said: “We are very pleased to be awarded this significant contract, demonstrating our unique capabilities and experience in upgrading main battle tanks. Asia-Pacific is one of Elbit Systems’ key markets and we are very glad to announce yet another success in this region”.

(Elbit Systems)

 

[hans]

Who will join the Vietnam side? I see nobody...

nobody in vietnam wants a war, either.

probably you don´t know this strategy of vietnam. chinese leadership scolds vietnam inviting foreigners into the south china sea, complicating the dispute. but in reality, the risk of a war reduces if other foreigners are involved. you and me will hesitant to shoot as the first because foreigners can be hurt.

 

[Carlosa]

Hope to see if it is effective against modern anti tank missile like Javelin or Red-arrow
Wish to see it.
These smuggled out of date Russia RPG and missile does not make sense.

No, no, we are not talking about old missiles, these are modern missiles that Hezbollah / Iran gave to Hamas. I know the Kornet missile was one of them and by the way, the Trophy system also works against missiles coming from the top. It was also tested by the US army and it scored 100% hits (30 out of 30 times). That thing is good man.

 

[William Hung]

U r just kidding me, buddy !

One Javelin launcher weight >22kg, one Javelin missile 1kg ... tell me How u feel carrying 30kg Javelin launcher + missiles ride the white horse in the mountains of VN ???

How do I feel? I feel good, it's no problem for me bro. You know when my horse feels tired, I even carry him on my back.

Yes, in IR image devices of MBT ... u just looks like this:
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How can a IR optic system of a MBT detect me far away deep in the thick jungle of VN?

You will need to send a special force team with a IR and night vision to hunt me down.

And if you send a special force team to hunt me... hahahaha.... then It's GG bro, I will send them back to China in a body bag. And yes, I can carry 5-6 men on my shoulder easily.

 

[Carlosa]

LOL yes, you are right. but not only our tanks are inferior, but most of the rest of our military hardware

Better to have less, but to have top quality. That upgrade is 300 million; that's what VN paid for 2 Gepards. I would say the Gepards are more important.

Actually, some of that money should go into better antitank missiles like SPIKE MR, etc.
Also, the Russians developed the RPG-30 as the answer to defeat active protection systems of tanks, but I have no idea if it works well.

 

[cnleio]

How do I feel? I feel good, it's no problem for me bro. You know when my horse feels tired, I even carry him on my back.



How can a IR optic system of a MBT detect me far away deep in the thick jungle of VN?

You will need to send a special force team with a IR and night vision to hunt me down.

And if you send a special force team to hunt me... hahahaha.... then It's GG bro, I will send them back to China in a body bag. And yes, I can carry 5-6 men on my shoulder easily.

LOL ... i see u r a strong man like him:

But i know, the robot will replace Rambo-man:

 

[cnleio]

Hahahahaha you have a short memory. Dont you remember that I also have a bow and arrow? my arrow has a explosive warhead. I can shoot that funny looking plane easily.

meh I want to post a picture of my bow and arrow but the gayy webmaster changed the img upload style.

Don't forget call ur bros to assist u, buddy ! ALL TOUGH GUYS

 

[William Hung]

This is what I have:

Elbit Systems to Upgrade Tanks for a Customer in the Asia-Pacific Region Under $290 Million Contract

24 March 2014

Prototype of T-54 M3 MBT upgraded by Israel, VPA will upgrade the entire battalion of 10 tanks T-54 / 55, with each battalion equipped with 31 vehicles. There will be about 310 T-54/55 tanks to be upgraded (photo : hoangsa)

Haifa, Israel – Elbit Systems Ltd. (NASDAQ and TASE: "ESLT") (“Elbit Systems”) announced today, that it was awarded a contract by a customer in the Asia-Pacific region to perform a tank upgrade program. The contract, valued at approximately $290 million, will be performed over a three-year period.

The upgrade program will provide the tanks with night operation capabilities by the supply of a variety of advanced systems, such as gunner sights and fire control systems.

Elbit Systems President and CEO, Bezhalel (Butzi) Machlis, said: “We are very pleased to be awarded this significant contract, demonstrating our unique capabilities and experience in upgrading main battle tanks. Asia-Pacific is one of Elbit Systems’ key markets and we are very glad to announce yet another success in this region”.

(Elbit Systems)

Oh, thats a waste of money then.

Don't forget call ur bros to assist u, buddy ! ALL TOUGH GUYS
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