Vietnam Conducts Air-Ground Military Exercises

[cnleio]

Don't know if uncle Ho was really like Mao or Deng, but he certainly understand them so well.
And after that we got helped from big China and super power USSR.

If PRC was not help us, so we would went to another way to gain our independence, may be just like India or Philippine.
But Chinese and Mao choose to help us, because it's necessary for themselves.

@BoQ77 's words were right, cnleio.

Some Chinese should stop think they granted us something and Vietnamese's still owe them about the past.

My viewpoint is simple, ancient chinese said "远水解不了近渴。/ Distant water cannot quench present thirst. ", no matter what Vietnamese like or dislike the China is ur cloestest neighbor ! USSR/India/Japan/Philippine all far away from Vietnam especially when French/American blockade coastal waters and air domination in ur sky. Except China, u have no any choice.

Ho Chi Minh is greater than later VCP leader, coz he lived in China for many years and he knew Chinese strength, without China & Chinese supports Vietnam can't get rid of colonist & other supports far away in sight or Empty Promise. He made a right choice to with China, but later VCP leader betrayed him to against China, result to today poor Vietnam.

There's only one big country at the front door of ur house, the China ! However VN dislike CN, ur ppl still can't leave us like Mexico && U.S, Georgia/ Ukraine && Russia.


Yes, Chinese and Vietnamese we ever enjoyed the same trench. (援越抗法,抗美顾问)

The true history in pics.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If it is true that over 300,000 Chinese soldiers served in the Vietnam War; then are why we fighting each others on PDF? We Chinese and Vietnamese should be allies!! Lets stop the bickering guys!!

Because Vietnam has been overpopulated by the delusional ultra-nationalists.

No matter how much we have helped to them, they will still believe that we are still owing them something, unless we should concede the whole South China to them.

It is Viet ultra-nationalists who need to learn more about the history.

 

[NiceGuy]

Because Vietnam has been overpopulated by the delusional ultra-nationalists.

No matter how much we have helped to them, they will still believe that we are still owing them something, unless we should concede the whole South China to them.

It is Viet ultra-nationalists who need to learn more about the history.

Blame ur chairman Mao for the death of Chinese troops in VN war. We didnt ask for their help, but chairman Mao keep sending them to VN and threaten to cut off the supplies if we dont let them in.

We fight far better than those Chinese troops, we didnt need them.

I said [to the Chinese]: “Yes, yes! I will do that. I will only fight at the level of one platoon downwards.” After we had fought and China realized that we could fight efficiently, Mao suddenly had a new line of thinking. He said that as the Americans were fighting us, he would bring in [Chinese] troops to help us build roads. His essential aim was to find out about the situation in our country so that later he could strike us, and thereby expand into Southeast Asia. There was no other reason. We were aware of this matter, but had to allow it [the entry of Chinese troops]. But that was OK. They decided to send in their soldiers. I only asked that they send personnel, but these troops came with guns and ammunition. I also had to countenance this.

Later, he [Mao Zedong] forced us to permit 20,000 of his troops to come and build a road from Nghe Tinh into Nam Bo [the Vietnamese term for southern Vietnam]. I refused. They kept proposing, but I would not budge. They pressured me into permitting them to come, but I did not accept it. They kept on pressuring, but I did not agree. I provide you with these examples, comrades, so that you can see their long-standing plot to steal our country, and how wicked their plot is.
Comrade B in 1979 : the comment and prediction of a Vietnam leader on China aggression (Mao, Deng)

 

[Toss The Lemon]

300,000 Chinese soldiers in North Vietnam? No way.
Do you know where's the battlefield?

Why we must accommodate and feed so many soldiers in North?
if Chinese soldiers really fight for us? There must be several Chinese KIA or MIA or POW like in Korean War.
But there's just a few KIA by US bombing, when US drop bombs in bridges, railways, ...and even civilian could be affected, so are some Chinese logistic units.

Up to 300,000 PLA all-together entered Vietnam during Jun.1965 - Aug. 1973. Not by one batch but dismiss and replace time to time. Only volunteers entered fronline and hot zone, amount of volunteers remain unknown. Some of them are students during Cultural Revolution.

1. Battlefiled is majorly in north part of Vietnam. The main mission for PLA is to recover Vietnam's supply ability, reconstruct strategic points, air defence, etc.
2. PLA comes with its own logistics, the situation is actually in opposite way. Transport troops send in supplies include food, weapons, clothe and other strategic supplies to support Vietnam fighting.
3. The mission was highly confidential, except AA troops, PLA soldiers were all in NVA uniforms and entering Vietnam.

 

[Toss The Lemon]

Blame ur chairman Mao for the death of Chinese troops in VN war. We didnt ask for their help, but chairman Mao keep sending them to VN and threaten to cut off the supplies if we dont let them in.

We fight far better than those Chinese troops, we didnt need them.

Bui Tin, Following Ho Chi Minh, p. 43. Conversations, pp. 74 (note 117), 163-164. See also 77 Conversations, p. 85, where Le Duan tells Liu Shaoqi on 8 April 1965: "We want some volunteer pilots, volunteers soldiers…and other volunteers, including road and bridge engineering units."

Liu Shaoqi: "It is our policy that we will do our best to support you. We will offer whatever you are in need of and we are in a position to offer…If you do not invite us, we will not come; and if you invite one unit of our troops, we will send that unit to you. The initiative will be completely yours."

Le Duan: "We want the Chinese volunteer pilots to play a role in four respects: (1) to restrict American bombing to areas south of the 20th or 19th parallels; (2) to defend the safety of Hanoi; (3) to defend several main transportation lines; and (4) to raise the morale of the Vietnamese people."

*The same day as the DRV issued its four point peace formula in response to President Johnson’s declared readiness for “unconditional discussions.

 

[Toss The Lemon]

Blame ur chairman Mao for the death of Chinese troops in VN war. We didnt ask for their help, but chairman Mao keep sending them to VN and threaten to cut off the supplies if we dont let them in.

We fight far better than those Chinese troops, we didnt need them.

No single humanbeing ever asked for your appreciation.
But those younge lives who gave up their dreams and years and sacrifice themself
shall be remembered.

Do, Not, Disgrace, Them.
For both Chinese and Vietnamese, and everyone who die in the war.
Remain your mouth zipped on this business.

Btw, if this is the way you carry yourself, then make yourself comfortable.

 

[dichoi]

This pic talk more.

1979.

What chinese did left behind ?

 

[Sanchez]

白眼狼

 

[Soryu]

My viewpoint is simple, ancient chinese said "远水解不了近渴。/ Distant water cannot quench present thirst. ", no matter what Vietnamese like or dislike the China is ur cloestest neighbor ! USSR/India/Japan/Philippine all far away from Vietnam especially when French/American blockade coastal waters and air domination in ur sky. Except China, u have no any choice.

Ho Chi Minh is greater than later VCP leader, coz he lived in China for many years and he knew Chinese strength, without China & Chinese supports Vietnam can't get rid of colonist & other supports far away in sight or Empty Promise. He made a right choice to with China, but later VCP leader betrayed him to against China, result to today poor Vietnam.

There's only one big country at the front door of ur house, the China ! However VN dislike CN, ur ppl still can't leave us like Mexico && U.S, Georgia/ Ukraine && Russia.


Yes, Chinese and Vietnamese we ever enjoyed the same trench. (援越抗法,抗美顾问)

The true history in pics.

LOL, cnleio, you're so full by yourself, again.

The truth is we had long, and complex relationships.

Nobody deny great help from Chinese to Vietnam in war time, you don't need to repeat it so much. Like you said, in those pics show you guys how our Viet remember and express our respect to Chinese who helped us in hard time.

And China had no choice to help us, because USA and NATO will at right beside PRC if USA could set up their puppet government in Vietnam.
And if China did not help us !? So we will find another way.
In past, when great China dynasty invade us, we're only rely on ourself to defend our nation.

Some others SEA countries are less developed compare to Vietnam like Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Is that because they betrayed China !?

VN don't dislike China, Vietnamese dislike stupid and aggressive China.

We're not Russia - Urk or U.S - Mexico case, just some point to close, you can't annex us.

 

[BoQ77]

Thanks China. Anyway, during Vietnam War, we still call each other as Comrade.
I estimate, there's not excess 10,000 logistic personnel at once.

AA units are for defending their location, like any other factory in Vietnam at the time has their own AA units.

 

[cnleio]

LOL, cnleio, you're so full by yourself, again.

The truth is we had long, and complex relationships.

Nobody deny great help from Chinese to Vietnam in war time, you don't need to repeat it so much. Like you said, in those pics show you guys how our Viet remember and express our respect to Chinese who helped us in hard time.

And China had no choice to help us, because USA and NATO will at right beside PRC if USA could set up their puppet government in Vietnam.
And if China did not help us !? So we will find another way.
In past, when great China dynasty invade us, we're only rely on ourself to defend our nation.

Some others SEA countries are less developed compare to Vietnam like Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Is that because they betrayed China !?

VN don't dislike China, Vietnamese dislike stupid and aggressive China.

We're Russia - Urk or U.S - Mexico case, just some point to close, you can't annex us.

I only agree with u that Sion-Vietnam we have complex relationship, VCP not ur government has special relationship with BeiJing.

 

[Praneuf Minus]

China tank ? Thai land dropped tanks made in china in to the sea. This is good solution with fake products.

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You know , i prefer not to take out thailand on to this , cause , thailand , is litteraly not stronger than vietnam , so...
Its not really a good example to argue with.

 

[NiceGuy]

Bui Tin, Following Ho Chi Minh, p. 43. Conversations, pp. 74 (note 117), 163-164. See also 77 Conversations, p. 85, where Le Duan tells Liu Shaoqi on 8 April 1965: "We want some volunteer pilots, volunteers soldiers…and other volunteers, including road and bridge engineering units."

Liu Shaoqi: "It is our policy that we will do our best to support you. We will offer whatever you are in need of and we are in a position to offer…If you do not invite us, we will not come; and if you invite one unit of our troops, we will send that unit to you. The initiative will be completely yours."

Le Duan: "We want the Chinese volunteer pilots to play a role in four respects: (1) to restrict American bombing to areas south of the 20th or 19th parallels; (2) to defend the safety of Hanoi; (3) to defend several main transportation lines; and (4) to raise the morale of the Vietnamese people."

*The same day as the DRV issued its four point peace formula in response to President Johnson’s declared readiness for “unconditional discussions.

Dude, stop lying. What u quote above is "according to Chinese records", when the Truth is: Le Duan refused to use China combat troops.

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In the meantime, Beijing and Hanoi were discussing the specifics of their
cooperation in the escalatingwar. In early April 1965, a Vietnamese delegation
led by Le Duan and Vo Nguyen Giap secretly visited Beijing.62 On 8 April,
Liu Shaoqi, on behalf of the ccp Central Committee, met Duan and Giap.
Duan, according to Chinese records, told his hosts at the beginning of the
meeting that the Vietnamese "always believed that China was Vietnam's most
reliable friend" and that "the aid from China toVietnam was the most in quantity,
as well as the best in quality." Liu thanked Duan and told him that "it
was the consistent policy of the Chinese party that China would do its best to
provide whatever was needed by the Vietnamese." Duan then stated that the
Vietnamese hoped China would send volunteer pilots, volunteer troops, and
other volunteers-such as engineering units for constructing railways, roads,
and bridges-to North Vietnam. He emphasized that the dispatch of these
forces would allow Hanoi to send its own troops to the South. Duan further expressed
the hope that the support from China would achieve four main goals:
restrict American bombardment to areas south of either the 20th or the 19th
parallel; defend Hanoi and areas north ofit from American air bombardment;
https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2011/MVZ207/um/20955234/Jian_2001.txt

The Truth is : Chairman Mao deliberately sent ur men to death zone in VN war, so he could find out about the situation in VN so that later he could strike us, and thereby expand into Southeast Asia.

 

[BoQ77]

Bui Tin, Following Ho Chi Minh, p. 43. Conversations, pp. 74 (note 117), 163-164. See also 77 Conversations, p. 85, where Le Duan tells Liu Shaoqi on 8 April 1965: "We want some volunteer pilots, volunteers soldiers…and other volunteers, including road and bridge engineering units."

Liu Shaoqi: "It is our policy that we will do our best to support you. We will offer whatever you are in need of and we are in a position to offer…If you do not invite us, we will not come; and if you invite one unit of our troops, we will send that unit to you. The initiative will be completely yours."

Le Duan: "We want the Chinese volunteer pilots to play a role in four respects: (1) to restrict American bombing to areas south of the 20th or 19th parallels; (2) to defend the safety of Hanoi; (3) to defend several main transportation lines; and (4) to raise the morale of the Vietnamese people."

*The same day as the DRV issued its four point peace formula in response to President Johnson’s declared readiness for “unconditional discussions.

Look at Comrade B for more opinion of top chief of Vietnam about China.

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