Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

[Tshering22]

Hinduism has survived for thousands of years and its numbers remain strong internationally. There is simply no reason for Hindus to have a fort mentality when it comes to other religions. If Christianity or Islam or any other religion can convince a Hindu to convert due to its message or vice versa then so be it. I don't see the western countries taking offense to Hindu missionaries converting their folk to Hinduism. Why the fort mentality when it comes to Hinduism ?

Because Hindus and Buddhists DON'T convert. They don't pay money to convert, spread hatred about Christianity or Islam and convert. They simply do their thing and people follow it IF they are interested. There is no Peace TV or SHOLOM channel aired by either us or the Hindus to openly and blatantly convert others.


What for example, ISKCON does is not through funding of Indian Hindu nationalist organizations. It is simply by their own discourse.

This naive mentality of yours is costing both your fellow Hindus and us here dearly.

Wake up, research, smell the coffee and stop living in a dream land, bro.

 

[Yeti]

fags they are we must keep this satanic cult out of Hindustan they are on par with wahabis all mleccha alien culture that wish to destroy dharma

These NGO kuttay were responsible for the protest on the nuclear plant and the money was given by Americans/western backed groups that wanted to holt the project because the 123 agreement did them no favours and benefited Russia.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

@Chinese-Dragon please tell these guys the problem in your country.

Christianity's impact on China was perhaps the worst of all.

The Taiping Rebellion was led by a man who claimed to be the "younger brother of Jesus", a recently converted Christian who claimed to have heard "The voice of God".

20 million people died in the Taiping Rebellion.

Even for China's history of bloody civil wars, that was extreme.

 

[livingdead]

Liberal Hindus are like HIV virus. They have been attacking and weakening the mind and body of India so that opportunistic religions can take hold of the country. They delight in destroying and disowning its history, its culture, its civilizational values to make room for organized religions which they feel is more modern. Your plea will fall on deaf ears, I am afraid.

your hatred will burn you from inside.

 

[Muki]

Christianity's impact on China was perhaps the worst of all.

The Taiping Rebellion was led by a man who claimed to be the "younger brother of Jesus", a recently converted Christian who claimed to have heard "The voice of God".

20 million people died in the Taiping Rebellion.

Even for China's history of bloody civil wars, that was extreme.

All Abrahamic religions eat away at the indigenous culture of the country, just look at Korea. As Christianity becomes more popular there, we see less indigenous culture there. Same in the case of Pakistan which has turned into an Arabian outpost in South Asia.

 

[Contrarian]

To be honest - Hinduism is already changing to an Organized form. Its very slow definitely, but its happening.

Hindutva is nothing but the Organized version of Hinduism.

 

[Armstrong]

 

[Yeti]

Not only India but these NGO's have played havoc in Sri Lanka also with Tamils who have been converted on masse! it is a conspiracy against dharma!

 

[GreenFalcon]

All Abrahamic religions eat away at the indigenous culture of the country, just look at Korea. As Christianity becomes more popular there, we see less indigenous culture there. Same in the case of Pakistan which has turned into an Arabian outpost in South Asia.

That is not true at all!!! In Pakistan we have the same culture, languages, foods, clothing, music, sports, & so many more things as India. So where do you get this thought that the Indigenous culture is being eaten away?

 

[mike2000]

who said religion is the opium of the masses?
On a serious note, i kind of agree with this thread. i myself do believe there is a GOD, but im more careful about the Vatican or any organised religious groups leaders. i can tell you from experience that there is alot of mafia/shady deals that goes on behind the scenes.
In this regard i wont blame China, Russia or even India from restricting these groups activities. they are not all clean as many think.

 

[GreenFalcon]

Because Hindus and Buddhists DON'T convert. They don't pay money to convert, spread hatred about Christianity or Islam and convert. They simply do their thing and people follow it IF they are interested. There is no Peace TV or SHOLOM channel aired by either us or the Hindus to openly and blatantly convert others.


What for example, ISKCON does is not through funding of Indian Hindu nationalist organizations. It is simply by their own discourse.

This naive mentality of yours is costing both your fellow Hindus and us here dearly.

Wake up, research, smell the coffee and stop living in a dream land, bro.

Its all about the matter of Faith in one's heart and how serious one takes his/her Religion. For example how many Hindus do you know that are living according to the true religion of Brahma?

 

[livingdead]

a picture is worth a thousand words.. and in your case two thousand.

 

[Indrani]

To be honest - Hinduism is already changing to an Organized form. Its very slow definitely, but its happening.

Hindutva is nothing but the Organized version of Hinduism.

You mean Hindutva comes with its ecclesiastical hierarchy, one holy book, Sunday service, hellfire and brimstones?

 

[DesiGuy]

This response is not to offend any of our respected members here, so Admins please don't take offense. This is an internal matter without wanting to hurt your sentiments. You are welcome and free to follow what you believe.

And then some Indians here call me a fascist/Fanatic.

This is what I have been telling your liberal variety of Hindus all this long. But you guys just don't listen.

We see this shit all the time in northeast particularly those states that border. But no news media says anything because they are all paid for and asked to ignore by the Maino Madam Gang.

For years, we kept telling you but you guys ignored us, the Assamese, the Manipuris and the Arunachalis. Now look, you hear it from the horse's mouth. We asked you to help us Buddhists hold northeast strong, but you didn't listen to us since colonial times, when the Brits invited US missionaries and let them have a free ride.

I hope more of you Hindus open your damn eyes to this problem. It is not about one religion but the whole concept of Organized Religion (One god, one people, one book, conversion, heaven/hellfire, prophecies, sermons etc). The whole concept is a bane to our country.

It may suit middle easterners or even Europeans (who are dumping Christianity by the days), but it is a disaster in South Asia.

The individuals who have converted are not the problem; the bloody Church authorities, Vatican, CIA and their whole 'LAW and CHURCH' establishment are the problem.

An individual Christian will be no threat to you and may even respect you and us, but these Churchists and the whole 'religious leaders' of the Organized religions will never stop. They want to enslave people and rule them. To them, it is not a path to peace, salvation and liberation of spirit which is a Dharmic concept in all of our cultures; it is a means to control, induce fear and dominate.

Look at why Chinese are so wary of these conversion nonsense. They are very correct in this case.

Even the Japanese emperors had to forcefully kick out missionaries of Portugal and Netherlands who came in the guise of traders and converted poor Japanese peasants who would later invite invasions with open arms rather than standing up because of being brainwashed.

Read about why general McArthur needed to print and distribute millions of bible and invite missionaries in Japan. If America separates Church and the State, WHY did the general who is supposed to be from a secular country's military, ask missionaries and authorities to print millions of bible copies.

There are many works by Japanese scholars since 17th century when Japan opened up to trade after centuries of isolation under the Shogunate.

It is a global phenomenon.

@Chinese-Dragon please tell these guys the problem in your country.

They think I am drunk when I say such things.

Africa
South America
Southeast Asia
Japan (tried)
China (tried)

It is all the same story.

I am begging you Hindus to research on this. Please, you guys are the fortress of our nation. We are with you in this and remember, you have to stand strong. There is a reason why we all stood up strong despite centuries of war and conversion attempts.

This nation can stand strong only if you are strong and the only way you can do that is by differentiating between friendly overtures and backstabbing.

You must understand that Church authority and Secularism are essentially two sides of the same coin. One is the 'good cop' and the other is the 'bad cop'.

You all saw what happened under secularism in 10 years. There is no 'good or bad' secularism.

Secularism suited Turkey because they already followed organized religion. Plus the elements of Turkic Tengriist culture kept them sensible from the rest of the region and smart.

We never needed it. Neither you, nor sardars, nor us.

Think about it. If we needed this 'secularism', then wouldn't we have exterminated all those jewish, syrian orthodox christians, parsis, Tibetans and even first muslim settlers who came along with invasions?

If we were not tolerant, don't you think the partition would have been completed with all non-Dharmic people kicked out to either Vatican/Portugal or Arabia/Pakistan or somewhere else?

Why do you think this didn't happen?

Because our culture, yours and ours both, is tolerant in its own ways naturally.

I have always believed Hindus are the stupidest of all. They have no idea (or just fucking lazy to know) what goes around them. They have/let others exploit Hinduism like no other religion. don't care how Muslims/Christians/Jews are, but they have been at least loyal to their religion.

 

[Indrani]

Nationalism as a misstatement of Hindu concerns

Time and again, also after Narendra Modi’s historic election victory, we see a correct pro-Hindu message take an erroneous nationalist turn which detracts from its original pro-Hindu intention. This is precisely how the Nehruvians want it: they have always tried to channel the Hindu energies towards an anachronistic anti-Britishism, sometimes transformed into an anti-Americanism, and far too many Hindus have merrily taken the bait.

The occasion is the Indians (repeat: Indians) appearing on Western TV stations or in Western newspapers to send an anti-Modi and anti-Hindu message. Instead of taking that message on, some Hindus change it in their imagination towards a neo-colonial message, bringing in Sonia Gandhi as the reason why a Western TV station would broadcast this anti-Modi message. The West is said to dislike Narendr Modibecause he is an antipode to Sonia Gandhi.

Well, I am a Westerner, live in the West and follow a broad scala of Western media, and I can say with a 100% certainty that the Western anti-Modi sympathies have nothing whatsoever to do with the person and provenance of Sonia Gandhi, much less with being anti-native.

Was Manmohan Singh any less native? Is Arvind Kejriwal more foreign than Modi? For anti-Modi Indians and for their Western dupes, Narendra Modi is not insufferable because he is native (so were most preferred alternatives) but because he is seriously pro-Hindu.

For the umpteenth time, I catch Hindu activists in the act of living in an imaginary world, an anachronistic worldview where the political equations and the nationalist high ground of the colonial age still prevail. Even at this auspicious hour, the chance of a lifetime, but with battles ahead, I can see Hindus charting a purely imaginary topography for their Kurukshetra. They are preparing for an imaginary battle, and meanwhile setting themselves up for yet another defeat in the real world.

It is not that anyone minds Hindu spokesmen being anti-white. We are so used to it that it only evokes a yawn. Of course, anti-white rhetoric has bad connotations by now: any African dictator who has his own failed policies to defend, will blame his failure on “white” machinations and the heritage of colonialism. As this is dead since more than a half-century, it becomes more and more anachronistic, but it is still tried. So we associate anti-white rhetoric with evil and failure, but otherwise we are quite numb when we hear it.

Indians who vent anti-white rhetoric think themselves as very brave, for they are actually doling out a kick to the long-dead horse of white colonialism. Hear that, Mr. Viceroy?! But far from being brave, they are Don Quixotes attacking imaginary foes all while leaving the real foes in peace.

The wrong thing with anti-white rhetoric must not be understood in moralistic terms; “anti-white racism” or so. The bad thing about it is that it shows how Hindu activists are still not ready for victory in the real world. In their imaginary world, the West is plotting against India and using the secularists and minorities as sepoys. In the real world, the West is only modestly interested in India, but is being turned anti-Modi by the Indian secularists and the minorities (some of which are but the Indian franchise of multinationals, esp. the Christian and Islamic communities).

If the secularists didn’t control the bottleneck of information on India, the West would be far less anti-Narendra Modi. Without a constant stream of anti-Modi propaganda (for which the Indian anti-Modi forces might engineer communal riots), you will see the West turn business-like towards Narendra Modi soon enough. Like the East India Company of the early years, the West only sees India in business terms, and a thriving India, meaningNarendra Modi and not Rahul or Kejriwal, might actually be good for the world economy including the West.

Another very recent remark was from a Hindu who hoped that the Christian Churches in India would transform themselves into an “authentic Indian Church”. Ah, so the problem is that the Churches are not sufficiently “Indian”? And an authentic Church will be less interested in converting the Hindus?

Naïve Hindus seem to think that the mission is a ploy by foreign nations. In reality, Christianity uses nations until they lose power, then it crosses the floor to whatever new power comes next. If India becomes powerful, the missionaries will become great patriots — and all the more eager to convert India. So, thinking in term of “national” vs. “foreign” is a sure way to misconceive the problems Hinduism faces.

Nationalism is a misstatement of Hindu concerns.

What will be the reaction to this? Perhaps everything has changed on 16 May, but if previous experiences are still valid, the silent or stated reaction among many readers will be: “He is a white devil”, “he is secretly a missionary agent”, “he must have a Himalayan ego for daring to doubt our infallibility”, “he this” and “he that”. The one thing missing will be introspection. Nobody is saying: “We are devising a strategy for victory, and this man’s feedback observes that we are doing something wrong. Let’s see if he has a point. Let’s improve our strategy and gear up for victory.”

The more usual reaction among internet Hindus is effectively: “We are heading for another defeat, and we won’t let this white interloper snatch this defeat from us. We have an inalienable right to our defeats!”

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