Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

[AugenBlick]

The Vatican had asked India to sign an undertaking that they could work with missionaries and other religious groups and NGOs in India to combat human trafficking. “We are a secular country and we turned down this request,” Ranjit Sinha, Director CBI told The News Minute (TNM) today. “This was also conveyed to the Vatican through appropriate channels including the MEA,” India’s top sleuth said.

The News Minute which this morning broke the story about the Vatican-sponsored meeting of law enforcement agencies from some 20 countries had also learnt that such an undertaking was sought from the Government of India at the April 8-10 meeting at the Vatican. While it was not a pre-condition to participating in the meeting, pressure was exercised on India to concede. Other countries present at the by-invitation-only conference signed on to the deal.

Sinha also told The News Minute that inputs for the meeting were provided by the Interpol and the office of the London Metropolitan Police as it was their initiative. However, Vatican Radio and news sources accessed by TNM clearly state that the initiative was the brainchild of the Bishop’s Conference of England and Wales (see links).

Sinha was unclear about the exact roles and responsibilities of Vatican, London Met Police and Interpol, but this document dated March 11, 2014 clearly states the meeting was organized by the Vatican. Read- Head of London's Met police at Vatican trafficking conference

If Vatican’s request had been acceded to, religious groups from Europe and UK would have access to over 220 districts do conduct what the documents say includes “vulnerability mapping.”

On the AgustaWestland case in which Haschke, the critical middleman wants to turn approver; the hearings were slated in Busto Arsizio in Northern Italy on April 11. When asked about this, Sinha said “everything was going on well.” Pressed to elaborate, he said the Indian ambassador to Rome was in the complete know of things.

Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

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Chitra Subramaniam | The News Minute | April 23, 2014 | 11.27 AM IST

Ranjit Sinha, Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CB) has been rather economical with details about his visit to Rome. While he told India he was in the city to attend a meeting called by the London Metropolitan Police, the reality is elsewhere.

Watch this video especially from 1:54:00 to get a clear picture of his work not in Rome but at the Vatican where among other things, he said India premier investigating agency can be a nodal point to channel funds to NGOs in the country combatting human trafficking.

It may be recalled that The News Minute revealed last Monday that Sinha was among a handful of invitees attending a conference organized by the Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.” Read The News Minute report: Ranjit Sinha, Vatican and Agustawestland

The News Minute draws attention to the fact that we do not comment on what the CBI Director undertook in Rome as part of his Vatican event. Our work as a media house is limited to exposing the fact that Ranjit Sinha lied to the country. For good measure, he added that he had also spoken to the Indian ambassador in Rome about the crucial Agustawestland plea bargaining which commenced in a court near Milan at about the same time that Sinha was in Rome.

CBI Director Ranjit Sinha at the Vatican

@wolfschanzze @jha @JanjaWeed @Android @Sidak @Tshering22
@Yeti
F*CKING CAGED PARROT

 

[jha]

Any wonder why everyone was doing everything to make sure Modi does not win... A lot of stakes were involved..

 

[Kaalapani]

The Vatican had asked India to sign an undertaking that they could work with missionaries and other religious groups and NGOs in India to combat human trafficking. “We are a secular country and we turned down this request,” Ranjit Sinha, Director CBI told The News Minute (TNM) today. “This was also conveyed to the Vatican through appropriate channels including the MEA,” India’s top sleuth said.

The News Minute which this morning broke the story about the Vatican-sponsored meeting of law enforcement agencies from some 20 countries had also learnt that such an undertaking was sought from the Government of India at the April 8-10 meeting at the Vatican. While it was not a pre-condition to participating in the meeting, pressure was exercised on India to concede. Other countries present at the by-invitation-only conference signed on to the deal.

Sinha also told The News Minute that inputs for the meeting were provided by the Interpol and the office of the London Metropolitan Police as it was their initiative. However, Vatican Radio and news sources accessed by TNM clearly state that the initiative was the brainchild of the Bishop’s Conference of England and Wales (see links).

Sinha was unclear about the exact roles and responsibilities of Vatican, London Met Police and Interpol, but this document dated March 11, 2014 clearly states the meeting was organized by the Vatican. Read- Head of London's Met police at Vatican trafficking conference

If Vatican’s request had been acceded to, religious groups from Europe and UK would have access to over 220 districts do conduct what the documents say includes “vulnerability mapping.”

On the AgustaWestland case in which Haschke, the critical middleman wants to turn approver; the hearings were slated in Busto Arsizio in Northern Italy on April 11. When asked about this, Sinha said “everything was going on well.” Pressed to elaborate, he said the Indian ambassador to Rome was in the complete know of things.

Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

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Chitra Subramaniam | The News Minute | April 23, 2014 | 11.27 AM IST

Ranjit Sinha, Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CB) has been rather economical with details about his visit to Rome. While he told India he was in the city to attend a meeting called by the London Metropolitan Police, the reality is elsewhere.

Watch this video especially from 1:54:00 to get a clear picture of his work not in Rome but at the Vatican where among other things, he said India premier investigating agency can be a nodal point to channel funds to NGOs in the country combatting human trafficking.

It may be recalled that The News Minute revealed last Monday that Sinha was among a handful of invitees attending a conference organized by the Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.” Read The News Minute report: Ranjit Sinha, Vatican and Agustawestland

The News Minute draws attention to the fact that we do not comment on what the CBI Director undertook in Rome as part of his Vatican event. Our work as a media house is limited to exposing the fact that Ranjit Sinha lied to the country. For good measure, he added that he had also spoken to the Indian ambassador in Rome about the crucial Agustawestland plea bargaining which commenced in a court near Milan at about the same time that Sinha was in Rome.

CBI Director Ranjit Sinha at the Vatican

@wolfschanzze @jha @JanjaWeed @Android @Sidak @Tshering22
@Yeti
F*CKING CAGED PARROT

Vatican is the biggest traffickers and paedophiles .Children need to be protected from them.

 

[Spring Onion]

The Vatican had asked India to sign an undertaking that they could work with missionaries and other religious groups and NGOs in India to combat human trafficking. “We are a secular country and we turned down this request,” Ranjit Sinha, Director CBI told The News Minute (TNM) today. “This was also conveyed to the Vatican through appropriate channels including the MEA,” India’s top sleuth said.

The News Minute which this morning broke the story about the Vatican-sponsored meeting of law enforcement agencies from some 20 countries had also learnt that such an undertaking was sought from the Government of India at the April 8-10 meeting at the Vatican. While it was not a pre-condition to participating in the meeting, pressure was exercised on India to concede. Other countries present at the by-invitation-only conference signed on to the deal.

Sinha also told The News Minute that inputs for the meeting were provided by the Interpol and the office of the London Metropolitan Police as it was their initiative. However, Vatican Radio and news sources accessed by TNM clearly state that the initiative was the brainchild of the Bishop’s Conference of England and Wales (see links).

Sinha was unclear about the exact roles and responsibilities of Vatican, London Met Police and Interpol, but this document dated March 11, 2014 clearly states the meeting was organized by the Vatican. Read- Head of London's Met police at Vatican trafficking conference

If Vatican’s request had been acceded to, religious groups from Europe and UK would have access to over 220 districts do conduct what the documents say includes “vulnerability mapping.”

On the AgustaWestland case in which Haschke, the critical middleman wants to turn approver; the hearings were slated in Busto Arsizio in Northern Italy on April 11. When asked about this, Sinha said “everything was going on well.” Pressed to elaborate, he said the Indian ambassador to Rome was in the complete know of things.

Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

More Importantly

Chitra Subramaniam | The News Minute | April 23, 2014 | 11.27 AM IST

Ranjit Sinha, Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CB) has been rather economical with details about his visit to Rome. While he told India he was in the city to attend a meeting called by the London Metropolitan Police, the reality is elsewhere.

Watch this video especially from 1:54:00 to get a clear picture of his work not in Rome but at the Vatican where among other things, he said India premier investigating agency can be a nodal point to channel funds to NGOs in the country combatting human trafficking.

It may be recalled that The News Minute revealed last Monday that Sinha was among a handful of invitees attending a conference organized by the Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.” Read The News Minute report: Ranjit Sinha, Vatican and Agustawestland

The News Minute draws attention to the fact that we do not comment on what the CBI Director undertook in Rome as part of his Vatican event. Our work as a media house is limited to exposing the fact that Ranjit Sinha lied to the country. For good measure, he added that he had also spoken to the Indian ambassador in Rome about the crucial Agustawestland plea bargaining which commenced in a court near Milan at about the same time that Sinha was in Rome.

CBI Director Ranjit Sinha at the Vatican

@wolfschanzze @jha @JanjaWeed @Android @Sidak @Tshering22
@Yeti
F*CKING CAGED PARROT

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

 

[AugenBlick]

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

What are you smiling about?

Vatican is the biggest traffickers and paedophiles .Children need to be protected from them.

They were planning to legally bind india to allow missionaries unrestricted legal access to Indian people.
They even had the audacity to propose this $hit is outrageous.

 

[Kaalapani]

What are you smiling about?


They were planning to legally bind india to allow missionaries unrestricted legal access to Indian people.
They even had the audacity to propose this $hit is outrageous.

They were banking on Sonia,Comunnal voilence bill which will give full rights to harvest souls.
Now with MOdi at the helm he will cancell all NGOS and show them middle finger.

 

[Spring Onion]

What are you smiling about?

.

about this "Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.”

 

[AugenBlick]

about this "Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.”

Yeah , we get a lot of shit from these "People of the book" extremists, But worry not .
We are eternal.

They were banking on Sonia,Comunnal voilence bill which will give full rights to harvest souls.
Now with MOdi at the helm he will cancell all NGOS and show them middle finger.

yeah.
They will get shafted.

 

[Indischer]

The Vatican should stick to holding Conferences about "The Church and it's irrelevance in today's World".

 

[wolfschanzze]

The Vatican had asked India to sign an undertaking that they could work with missionaries and other religious groups and NGOs in India to combat human trafficking. “We are a secular country and we turned down this request,” Ranjit Sinha, Director CBI told The News Minute (TNM) today. “This was also conveyed to the Vatican through appropriate channels including the MEA,” India’s top sleuth said.

The News Minute which this morning broke the story about the Vatican-sponsored meeting of law enforcement agencies from some 20 countries had also learnt that such an undertaking was sought from the Government of India at the April 8-10 meeting at the Vatican. While it was not a pre-condition to participating in the meeting, pressure was exercised on India to concede. Other countries present at the by-invitation-only conference signed on to the deal.

Sinha also told The News Minute that inputs for the meeting were provided by the Interpol and the office of the London Metropolitan Police as it was their initiative. However, Vatican Radio and news sources accessed by TNM clearly state that the initiative was the brainchild of the Bishop’s Conference of England and Wales (see links).

Sinha was unclear about the exact roles and responsibilities of Vatican, London Met Police and Interpol, but this document dated March 11, 2014 clearly states the meeting was organized by the Vatican. Read- Head of London's Met police at Vatican trafficking conference

If Vatican’s request had been acceded to, religious groups from Europe and UK would have access to over 220 districts do conduct what the documents say includes “vulnerability mapping.”

On the AgustaWestland case in which Haschke, the critical middleman wants to turn approver; the hearings were slated in Busto Arsizio in Northern Italy on April 11. When asked about this, Sinha said “everything was going on well.” Pressed to elaborate, he said the Indian ambassador to Rome was in the complete know of things.

Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

More Importantly

Chitra Subramaniam | The News Minute | April 23, 2014 | 11.27 AM IST

Ranjit Sinha, Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CB) has been rather economical with details about his visit to Rome. While he told India he was in the city to attend a meeting called by the London Metropolitan Police, the reality is elsewhere.

Watch this video especially from 1:54:00 to get a clear picture of his work not in Rome but at the Vatican where among other things, he said India premier investigating agency can be a nodal point to channel funds to NGOs in the country combatting human trafficking.

It may be recalled that The News Minute revealed last Monday that Sinha was among a handful of invitees attending a conference organized by the Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.” Read The News Minute report: Ranjit Sinha, Vatican and Agustawestland

The News Minute draws attention to the fact that we do not comment on what the CBI Director undertook in Rome as part of his Vatican event. Our work as a media house is limited to exposing the fact that Ranjit Sinha lied to the country. For good measure, he added that he had also spoken to the Indian ambassador in Rome about the crucial Agustawestland plea bargaining which commenced in a court near Milan at about the same time that Sinha was in Rome.

CBI Director Ranjit Sinha at the Vatican

@wolfschanzze @jha @JanjaWeed @Android @Sidak @Tshering22
@Yeti
F*CKING CAGED PARROT

First of all he was supposed to meet Interpol and london police, what was he doing in vatican and why did he go there on whose authority?
The news say sufficient pressure was put on India by vatican to attend, how? why? and where?
Thank god that italian maino is not in power otherwise she would have sold INDIA to vatican and its evangelist xtian missionaries.

About time Modi looked into fundings of NGO'S and blocked them.

 

[Tshering22]

The Vatican had asked India to sign an undertaking that they could work with missionaries and other religious groups and NGOs in India to combat human trafficking. “We are a secular country and we turned down this request,” Ranjit Sinha, Director CBI told The News Minute (TNM) today. “This was also conveyed to the Vatican through appropriate channels including the MEA,” India’s top sleuth said.

The News Minute which this morning broke the story about the Vatican-sponsored meeting of law enforcement agencies from some 20 countries had also learnt that such an undertaking was sought from the Government of India at the April 8-10 meeting at the Vatican. While it was not a pre-condition to participating in the meeting, pressure was exercised on India to concede. Other countries present at the by-invitation-only conference signed on to the deal.

Sinha also told The News Minute that inputs for the meeting were provided by the Interpol and the office of the London Metropolitan Police as it was their initiative. However, Vatican Radio and news sources accessed by TNM clearly state that the initiative was the brainchild of the Bishop’s Conference of England and Wales (see links).

Sinha was unclear about the exact roles and responsibilities of Vatican, London Met Police and Interpol, but this document dated March 11, 2014 clearly states the meeting was organized by the Vatican. Read- Head of London's Met police at Vatican trafficking conference

If Vatican’s request had been acceded to, religious groups from Europe and UK would have access to over 220 districts do conduct what the documents say includes “vulnerability mapping.”

On the AgustaWestland case in which Haschke, the critical middleman wants to turn approver; the hearings were slated in Busto Arsizio in Northern Italy on April 11. When asked about this, Sinha said “everything was going on well.” Pressed to elaborate, he said the Indian ambassador to Rome was in the complete know of things.

Vatican asked India for a religious undertaking: India refused says CBI Director

More Importantly

Chitra Subramaniam | The News Minute | April 23, 2014 | 11.27 AM IST

Ranjit Sinha, Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CB) has been rather economical with details about his visit to Rome. While he told India he was in the city to attend a meeting called by the London Metropolitan Police, the reality is elsewhere.

Watch this video especially from 1:54:00 to get a clear picture of his work not in Rome but at the Vatican where among other things, he said India premier investigating agency can be a nodal point to channel funds to NGOs in the country combatting human trafficking.

It may be recalled that The News Minute revealed last Monday that Sinha was among a handful of invitees attending a conference organized by the Vatican under the title “Church and Law Enforcement in partnership.” Read The News Minute report: Ranjit Sinha, Vatican and Agustawestland

The News Minute draws attention to the fact that we do not comment on what the CBI Director undertook in Rome as part of his Vatican event. Our work as a media house is limited to exposing the fact that Ranjit Sinha lied to the country. For good measure, he added that he had also spoken to the Indian ambassador in Rome about the crucial Agustawestland plea bargaining which commenced in a court near Milan at about the same time that Sinha was in Rome.

CBI Director Ranjit Sinha at the Vatican

@wolfschanzze @jha @JanjaWeed @Android @Sidak @Tshering22
@Yeti
F*CKING CAGED PARROT

This response is not to offend any of our respected members here, so Admins please don't take offense. This is an internal matter without wanting to hurt your sentiments. You are welcome and free to follow what you believe.

And then some Indians here call me a fascist/Fanatic.

This is what I have been telling your liberal variety of Hindus all this long. But you guys just don't listen.

We see this shit all the time in northeast particularly those states that border. But no news media says anything because they are all paid for and asked to ignore by the Maino Madam Gang.

For years, we kept telling you but you guys ignored us, the Assamese, the Manipuris and the Arunachalis. Now look, you hear it from the horse's mouth. We asked you to help us Buddhists hold northeast strong, but you didn't listen to us since colonial times, when the Brits invited US missionaries and let them have a free ride.

I hope more of you Hindus open your damn eyes to this problem. It is not about one religion but the whole concept of Organized Religion (One god, one people, one book, conversion, heaven/hellfire, prophecies, sermons etc). The whole concept is a bane to our country.

It may suit middle easterners or even Europeans (who are dumping Christianity by the days), but it is a disaster in South Asia.

The individuals who have converted are not the problem; the bloody Church authorities, Vatican, CIA and their whole 'LAW and CHURCH' establishment are the problem.

An individual Christian will be no threat to you and may even respect you and us, but these Churchists and the whole 'religious leaders' of the Organized religions will never stop. They want to enslave people and rule them. To them, it is not a path to peace, salvation and liberation of spirit which is a Dharmic concept in all of our cultures; it is a means to control, induce fear and dominate.

Look at why Chinese are so wary of these conversion nonsense. They are very correct in this case.

Even the Japanese emperors had to forcefully kick out missionaries of Portugal and Netherlands who came in the guise of traders and converted poor Japanese peasants who would later invite invasions with open arms rather than standing up because of being brainwashed.

Read about why general McArthur needed to print and distribute millions of bible and invite missionaries in Japan. If America separates Church and the State, WHY did the general who is supposed to be from a secular country's military, ask missionaries and authorities to print millions of bible copies.

There are many works by Japanese scholars since 17th century when Japan opened up to trade after centuries of isolation under the Shogunate.

It is a global phenomenon.

@Chinese-Dragon please tell these guys the problem in your country.

They think I am drunk when I say such things.

Africa
South America
Southeast Asia
Japan (tried)
China (tried)

It is all the same story.

I am begging you Hindus to research on this. Please, you guys are the fortress of our nation. We are with you in this and remember, you have to stand strong. There is a reason why we all stood up strong despite centuries of war and conversion attempts.

This nation can stand strong only if you are strong and the only way you can do that is by differentiating between friendly overtures and backstabbing.

You must understand that Church authority and Secularism are essentially two sides of the same coin. One is the 'good cop' and the other is the 'bad cop'.

You all saw what happened under secularism in 10 years. There is no 'good or bad' secularism.

Secularism suited Turkey because they already followed organized religion. Plus the elements of Turkic Tengriist culture kept them sensible from the rest of the region and smart.

We never needed it. Neither you, nor sardars, nor us.

Think about it. If we needed this 'secularism', then wouldn't we have exterminated all those jewish, syrian orthodox christians, parsis, Tibetans and even first muslim settlers who came along with invasions?

If we were not tolerant, don't you think the partition would have been completed with all non-Dharmic people kicked out to either Vatican/Portugal or Arabia/Pakistan or somewhere else?

Why do you think this didn't happen?

Because our culture, yours and ours both, is tolerant in its own ways naturally.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Agree a bit with @Tshering22 . In TN NGO's had a free ride and they had already converted 50pc of the fishermens.. The dubious funding of NGO was never investigated until the Kudankulam protest, which has been already done damage internationally.
But the way native religion Hinduism is not allowed to propagate from the earnings of a temple, cos it is a state property, while the Church can do , cos it is minority.
Either bring them all under State control or free all of them.

 

[Indrani]

This response is not to offend any of our respected members here, so Admins please don't take offense. This is an internal matter without wanting to hurt your sentiments. You are welcome and free to follow what you believe.

And then some Indians here call me a fascist/Fanatic.

This is what I have been telling your liberal variety of Hindus all this long. But you guys just don't listen.

We see this shit all the time in northeast particularly those states that border. But no news media says anything because they are all paid for and asked to ignore by the Maino Madam Gang.

For years, we kept telling you but you guys ignored us, the Assamese, the Manipuris and the Arunachalis. Now look, you hear it from the horse's mouth. We asked you to help us Buddhists hold northeast strong, but you didn't listen to us since colonial times, when the Brits invited US missionaries and let them have a free ride.

I hope more of you Hindus open your damn eyes to this problem. It is not about one religion but the whole concept of Organized Religion (One god, one people, one book, conversion, heaven/hellfire, prophecies, sermons etc). The whole concept is a bane to our country.

It may suit middle easterners or even Europeans (who are dumping Christianity by the days), but it is a disaster in South Asia.

The individuals who have converted are not the problem; the bloody Church authorities, Vatican, CIA and their whole 'LAW and CHURCH' establishment are the problem.

An individual Christian will be no threat to you and may even respect you and us, but these Churchists and the whole 'religious leaders' of the Organized religions will never stop. They want to enslave people and rule them. To them, it is not a path to peace, salvation and liberation of spirit which is a Dharmic concept in all of our cultures; it is a means to control, induce fear and dominate.

Look at why Chinese are so wary of these conversion nonsense. They are very correct in this case.

Even the Japanese emperors had to forcefully kick out missionaries of Portugal and Netherlands who came in the guise of traders and converted poor Japanese peasants who would later invite invasions with open arms rather than standing up because of being brainwashed.

Read about why general McArthur needed to print and distribute millions of bible and invite missionaries in Japan. If America separates Church and the State, WHY did the general who is supposed to be from a secular country's military, ask missionaries and authorities to print millions of bible copies.

There are many works by Japanese scholars since 17th century when Japan opened up to trade after centuries of isolation under the Shogunate.

It is a global phenomenon.

@Chinese-Dragon please tell these guys the problem in your country.

They think I am drunk when I say such things.

Africa
South America
Southeast Asia
Japan (tried)
China (tried)

It is all the same story.

I am begging you Hindus to research on this. Please, you guys are the fortress of our nation. We are with you in this and remember, you have to stand strong. There is a reason why we all stood up strong despite centuries of war and conversion attempts.

This nation can stand strong only if you are strong and the only way you can do that is by differentiating between friendly overtures and backstabbing.

You must understand that Church authority and Secularism are essentially two sides of the same coin. One is the 'good cop' and the other is the 'bad cop'.

You all saw what happened under secularism in 10 years. There is no 'good or bad' secularism.

Secularism suited Turkey because they already followed organized religion. Plus the elements of Turkic Tengriist culture kept them sensible from the rest of the region and smart.

We never needed it. Neither you, nor sardars, nor us.

Think about it. If we needed this 'secularism', then wouldn't we have exterminated all those jewish, syrian orthodox christians, parsis, Tibetans and even first muslim settlers who came along with invasions?

If we were not tolerant, don't you think the partition would have been completed with all non-Dharmic people kicked out to either Vatican/Portugal or Arabia/Pakistan or somewhere else?

Why do you think this didn't happen?

Because our culture, yours and ours both, is tolerant in its own ways naturally.

Liberal Hindus are like HIV virus. They have been attacking and weakening the mind and body of India so that opportunistic religions can take hold of the country. They delight in destroying and disowning its history, its culture, its civilizational values to make room for organized religions which they feel is more modern. Your plea will fall on deaf ears, I am afraid.

 

[Muki]

This response is not to offend any of our respected members here, so Admins please don't take offense. This is an internal matter without wanting to hurt your sentiments. You are welcome and free to follow what you believe.

And then some Indians here call me a fascist/Fanatic.

This is what I have been telling your liberal variety of Hindus all this long. But you guys just don't listen.

We see this shit all the time in northeast particularly those states that border. But no news media says anything because they are all paid for and asked to ignore by the Maino Madam Gang.

For years, we kept telling you but you guys ignored us, the Assamese, the Manipuris and the Arunachalis. Now look, you hear it from the horse's mouth. We asked you to help us Buddhists hold northeast strong, but you didn't listen to us since colonial times, when the Brits invited US missionaries and let them have a free ride.

I hope more of you Hindus open your damn eyes to this problem. It is not about one religion but the whole concept of Organized Religion (One god, one people, one book, conversion, heaven/hellfire, prophecies, sermons etc). The whole concept is a bane to our country.

It may suit middle easterners or even Europeans (who are dumping Christianity by the days), but it is a disaster in South Asia.

The individuals who have converted are not the problem; the bloody Church authorities, Vatican, CIA and their whole 'LAW and CHURCH' establishment are the problem.

An individual Christian will be no threat to you and may even respect you and us, but these Churchists and the whole 'religious leaders' of the Organized religions will never stop. They want to enslave people and rule them. To them, it is not a path to peace, salvation and liberation of spirit which is a Dharmic concept in all of our cultures; it is a means to control, induce fear and dominate.

Look at why Chinese are so wary of these conversion nonsense. They are very correct in this case.

Even the Japanese emperors had to forcefully kick out missionaries of Portugal and Netherlands who came in the guise of traders and converted poor Japanese peasants who would later invite invasions with open arms rather than standing up because of being brainwashed.

Read about why general McArthur needed to print and distribute millions of bible and invite missionaries in Japan. If America separates Church and the State, WHY did the general who is supposed to be from a secular country's military, ask missionaries and authorities to print millions of bible copies.

There are many works by Japanese scholars since 17th century when Japan opened up to trade after centuries of isolation under the Shogunate.

It is a global phenomenon.

@Chinese-Dragon please tell these guys the problem in your country.

They think I am drunk when I say such things.

Africa
South America
Southeast Asia
Japan (tried)
China (tried)

It is all the same story.

I am begging you Hindus to research on this. Please, you guys are the fortress of our nation. We are with you in this and remember, you have to stand strong. There is a reason why we all stood up strong despite centuries of war and conversion attempts.

This nation can stand strong only if you are strong and the only way you can do that is by differentiating between friendly overtures and backstabbing.

You must understand that Church authority and Secularism are essentially two sides of the same coin. One is the 'good cop' and the other is the 'bad cop'.

You all saw what happened under secularism in 10 years. There is no 'good or bad' secularism.

Secularism suited Turkey because they already followed organized religion. Plus the elements of Turkic Tengriist culture kept them sensible from the rest of the region and smart.

We never needed it. Neither you, nor sardars, nor us.

Think about it. If we needed this 'secularism', then wouldn't we have exterminated all those jewish, syrian orthodox christians, parsis, Tibetans and even first muslim settlers who came along with invasions?

If we were not tolerant, don't you think the partition would have been completed with all non-Dharmic people kicked out to either Vatican/Portugal or Arabia/Pakistan or somewhere else?

Why do you think this didn't happen?

Because our culture, yours and ours both, is tolerant in its own ways naturally.

Agreed, we Hindus are our own worst enemies in this regard.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Hinduism has survived for thousands of years and its numbers remain strong internationally. There is simply no reason for Hindus to have a fort mentality when it comes to other religions. If Christianity or Islam or any other religion can convince a Hindu to convert due to its message or vice versa then so be it. I don't see the western countries taking offense to Hindu missionaries converting their folk to Hinduism. Why the fort mentality when it comes to Hinduism ?