UK refuses India’s plea for visas in trade deal talks

[Puffin]

The UK has enough servants.

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None of your family photos here please

 

[airmarshal]

Canada should also restrict Indian visas. There are just too many Indians being allowed to enter Canada.

 

[d00od00o]

None of your family photos here please

Why not? My great grandfather treated his Hindoo servants very well. He rarely beat them. He especially appreciated a servant by the name of Ahpoo Dikshit, who was a very skilled pedicurist. He even paid for Ahpoo's son's apprenticeship in leatherwork.

 

[nahtanbob]

Canada should also restrict Indian visas. There are just too many Indians being allowed to enter Canada.

They are going in the opposite direction letting in a lot of Indians. It is to bail out the Canadian real estate market

 

[Puffin]

They are going in the opposite direction letting in a lot of Indians. It is bail out the Canadian real estate market

Justin Trudeau: Stranded Canadian PM leaves India after plane snag fixed​

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Image caption,
Relations between Canada and India have grown increasingly strained in recent months
By Lisa Lambert and Zoya Mateen
in Washington DC and Delhi

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has left India after a problem with his aircraft extended a testing visit to India's capital by two days.
He was meant to fly on Sunday after the G20 summit ended but an embarrassing mechanical snag grounded him.
Opponents at home and Indian social media users mocked him for the delay, which came after Mr Trudeau had a tense meeting with Indian PM Narendra Modi.
Canada-India relations have grown increasingly strained in recent months.
Mr Trudeau's visit "did nothing to mend the frosty ties that he has developed with India", reported India Today on Tuesday.
Days before he flew to Delhi, Mr Trudeau unexpectedly said his country was pausing talks on a trade treaty between the two countries.
Protests by Canada's large Sikh population have been a major flashpoint in the tensions. India is concerned about the activities of Sikh separatists - it denies any hand in the murder of a prominent advocate of Sikh independence in British Columbia in June.

• An unsolved murder in Canada fuels rifts with India
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In Sunday's meeting with Mr Trudeau, Mr Modi aired concerns about the "continuing anti-India activities of extremist elements in Canada" and said they were promoting secessionism and inciting violence, according to his office.
Meanwhile, Mr Trudeau's team said the Canadian prime minister had "raised the importance of respecting the rule of law, democratic principles, and national sovereignty".
Mr Trudeau later told a press conference he had also discussed foreign interference in Canada's affairs with Mr Modi. Canada is including India in its sweeping investigation into election interference, which is also looking into China and Russia.
Eyebrows were raised when the Canadian prime minister didn't attend a weekend dinner for world leaders hosted by Indian President Droupadi Murmu - reports said his office didn't give a reason. Some observers also thought he was quick to pull out of a handshake with Mr Modi.
How he's filled the last two days is unclear. With no further diplomatic engagements, he's thought to have spent the time at his hotel, according to media reports.
Neither Mr Trudeau nor the Indian government have publicly commented on the delay in his return home.
But an Indian minister did turn out to give him an official send-off and wish him and his entourage "a safe trip back home" on the behalf of Mr Modi's government.
On Monday, Canada's Department of National Defence told the BBC that Mr Trudeau's aircraft - a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-150 Polaris with the tail number '01' - suffered a "maintenance problem" stemming from a "component that will have to be replaced".
"The safety of all passengers is critical to the RCAF and pre-flight safety checks are a regular part of all our flight protocols," the statement added. "The discovery of this issue is evidence that these protocols are effective."
The defence department said a replacement aircraft was being sent to India to retrieve Mr Trudeau.
The Toronto Star reported that the RCAF sent a technician to India, who was able to fix the issue. It added that the CC-150 Polaris plane is part of an older fleet that has often faced snags and is set to be replaced soon.
The incident is not the first time that Mr Trudeau has had plane-related travel issues.
In 2019, a plane carrying journalists collided with the wing of an aircraft chartered to transport him on the campaign trail. He was not onboard the aircraft at the time.

Justin Trudeau: Stranded Canadian PM leaves India after plane snag fixed

Canada's leader was to leave after tense talks with PM Modi on Sunday but plane problems delayed him.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[nahtanbob]

Justin Trudeau: Stranded Canadian PM leaves India after plane snag fixed​

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    16 hours ago

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IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES
Image caption,
Relations between Canada and India have grown increasingly strained in recent months
By Lisa Lambert and Zoya Mateen
in Washington DC and Delhi

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has left India after a problem with his aircraft extended a testing visit to India's capital by two days.
He was meant to fly on Sunday after the G20 summit ended but an embarrassing mechanical snag grounded him.
Opponents at home and Indian social media users mocked him for the delay, which came after Mr Trudeau had a tense meeting with Indian PM Narendra Modi.
Canada-India relations have grown increasingly strained in recent months.
Mr Trudeau's visit "did nothing to mend the frosty ties that he has developed with India", reported India Today on Tuesday.
Days before he flew to Delhi, Mr Trudeau unexpectedly said his country was pausing talks on a trade treaty between the two countries.
Protests by Canada's large Sikh population have been a major flashpoint in the tensions. India is concerned about the activities of Sikh separatists - it denies any hand in the murder of a prominent advocate of Sikh independence in British Columbia in June.

• An unsolved murder in Canada fuels rifts with India
• Media bus hits Justin Trudeau's campaign plane

In Sunday's meeting with Mr Trudeau, Mr Modi aired concerns about the "continuing anti-India activities of extremist elements in Canada" and said they were promoting secessionism and inciting violence, according to his office.
Meanwhile, Mr Trudeau's team said the Canadian prime minister had "raised the importance of respecting the rule of law, democratic principles, and national sovereignty".
Mr Trudeau later told a press conference he had also discussed foreign interference in Canada's affairs with Mr Modi. Canada is including India in its sweeping investigation into election interference, which is also looking into China and Russia.
Eyebrows were raised when the Canadian prime minister didn't attend a weekend dinner for world leaders hosted by Indian President Droupadi Murmu - reports said his office didn't give a reason. Some observers also thought he was quick to pull out of a handshake with Mr Modi.
How he's filled the last two days is unclear. With no further diplomatic engagements, he's thought to have spent the time at his hotel, according to media reports.
Neither Mr Trudeau nor the Indian government have publicly commented on the delay in his return home.
But an Indian minister did turn out to give him an official send-off and wish him and his entourage "a safe trip back home" on the behalf of Mr Modi's government.
On Monday, Canada's Department of National Defence told the BBC that Mr Trudeau's aircraft - a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-150 Polaris with the tail number '01' - suffered a "maintenance problem" stemming from a "component that will have to be replaced".
"The safety of all passengers is critical to the RCAF and pre-flight safety checks are a regular part of all our flight protocols," the statement added. "The discovery of this issue is evidence that these protocols are effective."
The defence department said a replacement aircraft was being sent to India to retrieve Mr Trudeau.
The Toronto Star reported that the RCAF sent a technician to India, who was able to fix the issue. It added that the CC-150 Polaris plane is part of an older fleet that has often faced snags and is set to be replaced soon.
The incident is not the first time that Mr Trudeau has had plane-related travel issues.
In 2019, a plane carrying journalists collided with the wing of an aircraft chartered to transport him on the campaign trail. He was not onboard the aircraft at the time.

Justin Trudeau: Stranded Canadian PM leaves India after plane snag fixed

Canada's leader was to leave after tense talks with PM Modi on Sunday but plane problems delayed him.

www.bbc.co.uk

I do not know what is this sideshow with Sikh separatists in Canada. The Canadian government has allowed hundreds of thousands of Indians in the past 3 years. Probably more to come in the next 5 years

 

[hembo]

Justin Trudeau: Stranded Canadian PM leaves India after plane snag fixed​

• • Published
    16 hours ago

Share

IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES
Image caption,
Relations between Canada and India have grown increasingly strained in recent months
By Lisa Lambert and Zoya Mateen
in Washington DC and Delhi

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has left India after a problem with his aircraft extended a testing visit to India's capital by two days.
He was meant to fly on Sunday after the G20 summit ended but an embarrassing mechanical snag grounded him.
Opponents at home and Indian social media users mocked him for the delay, which came after Mr Trudeau had a tense meeting with Indian PM Narendra Modi.
Canada-India relations have grown increasingly strained in recent months.
Mr Trudeau's visit "did nothing to mend the frosty ties that he has developed with India", reported India Today on Tuesday.
Days before he flew to Delhi, Mr Trudeau unexpectedly said his country was pausing talks on a trade treaty between the two countries.
Protests by Canada's large Sikh population have been a major flashpoint in the tensions. India is concerned about the activities of Sikh separatists - it denies any hand in the murder of a prominent advocate of Sikh independence in British Columbia in June.

• An unsolved murder in Canada fuels rifts with India
• Media bus hits Justin Trudeau's campaign plane

In Sunday's meeting with Mr Trudeau, Mr Modi aired concerns about the "continuing anti-India activities of extremist elements in Canada" and said they were promoting secessionism and inciting violence, according to his office.
Meanwhile, Mr Trudeau's team said the Canadian prime minister had "raised the importance of respecting the rule of law, democratic principles, and national sovereignty".
Mr Trudeau later told a press conference he had also discussed foreign interference in Canada's affairs with Mr Modi. Canada is including India in its sweeping investigation into election interference, which is also looking into China and Russia.
Eyebrows were raised when the Canadian prime minister didn't attend a weekend dinner for world leaders hosted by Indian President Droupadi Murmu - reports said his office didn't give a reason. Some observers also thought he was quick to pull out of a handshake with Mr Modi.
How he's filled the last two days is unclear. With no further diplomatic engagements, he's thought to have spent the time at his hotel, according to media reports.
Neither Mr Trudeau nor the Indian government have publicly commented on the delay in his return home.
But an Indian minister did turn out to give him an official send-off and wish him and his entourage "a safe trip back home" on the behalf of Mr Modi's government.
On Monday, Canada's Department of National Defence told the BBC that Mr Trudeau's aircraft - a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-150 Polaris with the tail number '01' - suffered a "maintenance problem" stemming from a "component that will have to be replaced".
"The safety of all passengers is critical to the RCAF and pre-flight safety checks are a regular part of all our flight protocols," the statement added. "The discovery of this issue is evidence that these protocols are effective."
The defence department said a replacement aircraft was being sent to India to retrieve Mr Trudeau.
The Toronto Star reported that the RCAF sent a technician to India, who was able to fix the issue. It added that the CC-150 Polaris plane is part of an older fleet that has often faced snags and is set to be replaced soon.
The incident is not the first time that Mr Trudeau has had plane-related travel issues.
In 2019, a plane carrying journalists collided with the wing of an aircraft chartered to transport him on the campaign trail. He was not onboard the aircraft at the time.

Justin Trudeau: Stranded Canadian PM leaves India after plane snag fixed

Canada's leader was to leave after tense talks with PM Modi on Sunday but plane problems delayed him.

www.bbc.co.uk

Couldn't Namo offer him a Air India plan when his plan malfunctioned? Oh wait...

 

[Ali_Baba]

This is not about NI, but workplace pensions. There are a lot of restrictions on moving it out of the UK before reaching retirement age.

If they are coming on temporary workplace visa, then they would not be accuring a workplace pension in the UK, but in India - right? That has to be the whole point of a temporary visa.

It is about labour mobility. India benefits from its citizens working abroad and either sending remittances or coming back home with additional skills picked up from international experience. Notice that India is not asking for more access for doctors. That is because the NHS is desperate to take in any foreign doctor who is qualified because British doctors keep leaving but UK immigration policy is more restrictive for nurses. India wants to export fewer doctors and more nurses.

The UK left the EU because of immigration, we all voted for that. We are not interested in more indians or anyone else coming here. If there is to a deal, even if it is a skinny deal, it has to be on that basis of no more immigration or new temporary visa's etc. I see no value in increasing our indian population with more RSS infused clowns. We have had enough of this crap with the RSS clowns in Leicester.. no more..

Trade deals are about mobility of money, and goods. Not people. That is the scope of what we are interested in and if that is not possible. Then so be it.

A compromise will emerge. We ( I am a Brit) burnt our bridges , lock stock and barrel with Brexit.
We walked out of the largest common market in the world on the FALSE prospectus of a world eager to sign FTA with us.

>> We left because we wanted to remain British and not get our identity absorbed in the morass that is an ever federalising EU entity ... there is a cost with that and we voted to accept that.

We were promised a FTA with USA Australia and others and found the world does not give a flying F**k about FTA's with UK.

We have carried our all our FTAs that we have as part of the EU with third countries on a roll over basis. We have a FTA with the EU. Now, we see what we can do on the world stage.

We are joing the FTA that is Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_and_Progressive_Agreement_for_Trans-Pacific_Partnership . It is a big deal and will become more important over time due to growing economies involved, and does not come with any toxicity that comes from India or EU. ie a FTA on movement of money and trade only.

The UK has just overtaken France as a larger manufacturer. We are taking the advantage of brexit to re-orient our economy to manufacturing, something that was not possible while we remained part of the EU.

UK overtakes France to become 8th largest manufacturer - Drives&Controls

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Things are getting better because of Brexit. We will make our future based on our own hard work and our own decisions.

We are left scratching the bottom of a empty barrel and the Indian FTA trumpeted by that loon, Boris is nowhere to be seen.

Meanwhile India has gone past UK in GDP becoming the fifth largest trading nation and just a few years from becoming the third largest trading nation, growing at a healthy 6-8% per annum.

We need India and its trade and our desperation continues to grow as the cold hard consequences of Brexit slowly percolate down into our dull collective minds.

No we dont ...

With China now being shunned , India is the only play in town.

China is not being shunned, but peeople are looking to diversify following covid related issues, and India will benefit as will other countries aswell.

 

[TriptiD]

If they are coming on temporary workplace visa, then they would not be accuring a workplace pension in the UK, but in India - right? That has to be the whole point of a temporary visa.

Why would someone who is working for a British company on a visa with no connection to an Indian company accrue a pension in India? For example, a consultant doctor at the NHS or a banker at Barclays. When these people decide to move back to India, say at the age of 40, it is difficult for them to move their pensions out of the UK system.

Trade deals are about mobility of money, and goods. Not people. That is the scope of what we are interested in and if that is not possible. Then so be it.

The UK has its priorities. India has her own. Britain probably needs the deal more than India does. We shall see.

I had lived in London a while back. My experience was the strongest anti-immigration views were held by the likes of desi taxi drivers, who were mostly Pakistani. The whites in my circle were pro EU and pro immigration. Of course, this was London and my friends were mostly the Oxbridge types. The rest of the UK may be different.

 

[hembo]

Couldn't Namo offer him a Air India plan when his plan malfunctioned? Oh wait...

Looks like I was premature in my snarky remark..

India Offered To Fly Back Justin Trudeau On IAF One After Jet Snag: Report

 

[Ali_Baba]

Why would someone who is working for a British company on a visa with no connection to an Indian company accrue a pension in India? For example, a consultant doctor at the NHS or a banker at Barclays. When these people decide to move back to India, say at the age of 40, it is difficult for them to move their pensions out of the UK system.

>> ok - fair enough.

The UK has its priorities. India has her own. Britain probably needs the deal more than India does. We shall see.

We dont need it - joining CPTPP is far far far far far more important to the UK than India and we have are on track to become a member of CPTPP. India's economy is India $3.5 trillion vs UK $3.2 trillion. So we are only talking about a FTA with a country that is marginally bigger than the UK's in real terms !!!!!

I had lived in London a while back. My experience was the strongest anti-immigration views were hkj of desi taxi drivers, who were mostly Pakistani. The whites in my circle were pro EU and pro immigration. Of course, this was London and my friends were mostly the Oxbridge types. The rest of the UK may be different.

Asians form a tiny a part of the UK - most of this country is white !!! And our views on immigration were clearly expressed through our brexit vote. I hang about with the oxford/cambridge types as well as the "normals" and the views on mixed across both and reflective of the way the country decided.

The UK has never been "pro-immigration" ever ............ it has through gritted teeth been forced to accept immigration after WW2 due to labour shortages, and then via the EU ...

 

[salarsikander]

Indians want to get the best education in the world , they remain the LARGEST and GROWING mass that will continue to DOMINATE higher education in ALL western countries

so why are you shamed of sporting Indian Flag ?

 

[itsanufy]

>> The UK has NO pension pots. National Insurance is just a tax and its revenue goes into current spending. There is no mountain of money that has a "label of pension pots" that can be "transferred". The Indians know that. What India is asking for is to allows its people to come to the UK and work TAX FREE and thereby allow it to offer Indian IT resource at even lower costs ... Allowing this to

For the highlighted portion.
I worked more than 5 years in UK on a work permit.
You have to pay tax in UK for the income you have. But UK has double taxation with india. so in a financial year if you stay more than 6 months in any country then you have to pay tax there.

 

[TriptiD]

We dont need it - joining CPTPP is far far far far far more important to the UK than India and we have are on track to become a member of CPTPP.

Joining the CPTPP will have an inconsequential impact on the UK economy because the UK already had trade deals ( many worse than the EU deals) with the major countries that are part of the group. Why do you think it is important for the UK ?

 

[itsanufy]

Sure, how many Indian professionals went back to India, after getting foreign jobs................ ZERO. .............work places smell like Indian curry ... lol...

Myself