Used F16's - EDA 50 ~ 100 Available

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Interesting views , certainly every one has a view what planes should come to PAF
Looks like a good venture form Cost/Logistical/ Maintenence point of view

Ramp up the force with 50-60 birds, certainly requiring local Servicing and MLU

An economical choice (considering we have Engineering base for this plane)

Obviousy there are other options as well
a) Thunder JF17
b) J10B
c) Typhoon
d) Stealth Chinese
e) Mirage 2000 (for which a thread was dedicated not long ago)

 

[Thorough Pro]

The more F-16's we get, the more dependant we become on US for spares and more crippled our air force will be in case of sanctions. I know it makes economical and logistic sense to go with the platform we already have infrastructure for, but the risks outweight the economical rewards and in the end defence deals are neither economical nor meant to achieve economical goals.

These days Air force is the most important strategic asset in any country's defence, if we compromise on full force availability during a conflict to save a few dollars now, then basically we are throwing the whole investment down the drain if we are unable to use it to its full potential during the time of need.

In my opinion (which is just that) we should stay clear of any more F-16's for two reasons, 1-to cut the umbilical cord (as @MastanKhan put it) to send a clear and strong message to US administration and, 2-to ensure a fully functional and useable air force in time of conflict. If we need jets in that class, it's still not too late to go for the latest version of J-10 with AESA & IRST at a fraction of the cost that we will need to pay for new F-16, and as long as Trump is in the white house, there will be no subsidy/military assistance for any military acquisitions.

60 brand new J-10's would go a long way with odd 200 Thunders and the existing F-16's. the best part about J-10's is that we can also contribute in making/ assembling them in our existing PAC facilities, recovering investment in those facilities, bringing average cost of thunders down, and provide opportunity to our engineers and technicians to work on yet another platform that will align and go a long way in PAF's vision of making 5th gen a/c in Pakistan.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I like the Ambelical chord line however , I think presently we have normal diplomatic relations with US so EDA like deals are certainly attainable provided proper paperwork is done

All countries of world deal with each other for business and also for defence deal

I think considering how Egypt has invested in duel vendors , makes sense we also diversify multiple avenues for purchase of defence items.

Turkey or Egypt both operate almost 200 planes etc so makes sense we at least have 150 planes in our inventory. Egypt buys from France / Russia / USA equally depending on what it needs

Plus we always have our local platform JF17 Thunder , which is growing steadily and also other options with other friendly nations


> I mean if we have funding by all means go for Typhoon

We already had a deal for J10b not sure why we never got the 2 squadrons in 2014 as planned by Musharaf , Obviously there were some obsticles for J10B or J31 which we don't know fully

 

[khanasifm]

Hi,

If you want to stay stupid---it is your choice---. I don't know any of them---and I don't give a shit about any of them---.

But one thing I know is american public---which you do not know diddley shit about---and will never know and neither does your air force---because you don't have the brains to understand them and know them and neither does the air force generals---.

It was the american public that made the Obama govt cancel the free F16's for pakistan---.

The state dept---the embassy---the white house---the DOD---congressional board or the acquisition team---don't mean sh-it---.

American public is against pakistan---and none of those guys can do anything when the public is against pakistan---. So just clamp your mouth---and move away if that was all you had to say---.

I know you got a big mouth---but you can only yap it with pakistanis---

Yout reply speaks about your Intelligence enough of story

 

[MastanKhan]

Yout reply speaks about your Intelligence enough of story

Sir,

You start with thoughtless comments---and end with a more thoughtless comment---.

This issue is beyond your capability to understand---. Your rhetoric and smart talk is just to make you feel good--so be happy in the lala land.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

Sohail Aman is the problem---. Pakistani pilots are not the best in the world---the americans are---. Pakistanis rank between the good and very good---there are a very few who are excellent---but other than that---don't let the myth get to your brains.

Sohail aman is still living in the past---ie---man behind the machine mentality---and WVR---.

The J10's are available---twist and manipulate china's arm and you may get them for free---.

Here is what is happening with your air force---all these top guys---they still want their retirement jobs---green cards for their kids---etc etc etc---.

F16 is a superb aircraft---but the Paf needs to cut down the umbilical cord---.

And by the way---the sale of those 18 approved F16's has expired longtime ago---.

For those who are bringing it up---need to update their information base---.

He's retiring next year...

 

[XDescendantX]

PAF should go for J10C then to depend on a country that threatened to bomb us back to the stone age. I don't believe the whole "training cost would take too long and be expensive" hype. Not to mention J10C is on par with the latest Rafale and Typhoon. Also no strings attached coming from our Iron Brother.

Fighter Jet Flight Cost Per Hour
J-10 $4,800
F-16E $12,000

 

[ziaulislam]

Exactly. Why should PAF invest in a platform that cannot be fully utilized? US only sold Block 52s because they were going to be used against terrorists operating along Afghanistan border. US sold Pakistan advanced equipment and munitions for ground attack, but didn't give advanced air-to-air technology. And given US warm relations with India, don't expect to get any.

This should reason enough not to stop pursuing F-16s.

WRONG
back in 2007 Pakistan got the most advance AAM available, it was a good deal, even today AIM 120 D just entered service (2016) .
i am talking about 2020, its not worth it when you are looking into future technologies and coming of AESA
even now AIM 120C is most advance AAM in south asia

should expect to get any? dont know

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Why not just concentrate on JF17 block 3 production at faster pace and than directly jumps into 5th generation options. Block 3 with AESA radar and extended range of SD10s bvr is more than capable option than F16s(aesa less) in my opinion.

 

[帅的一匹]

paf pilots train on the jets which are deadliest threat to PAF which is SU30MKI....we train on su30mkk while indian pilots dont train on f16s ....this line is enough to explain u everything

i can assure you IAF is very very very familiar with F16 performance and capability. they have regualr traing with Singapore airforce and USAAF. As a good gesture to USA, India might induct f16 BLK70 production line as strong recommended by USA. Pakistan will not get acess to advanced version og F16 beyong BLK52.

Why not just concentrate on JF17 block 3 production at faster pace and than directly jumps into 5th generation options. Block 3 with AESA radar and extended range of SD10s bvr is more than capable option than F16s(aesa less) in my opinion.

it takes time beofre Jf17 BLK3 get matured.

Well I like the Ambelical chord line however , I think presently we have normal diplomatic relations with US so EDA like deals are certainly attainable provided proper paperwork is done

All countries of world deal with each other for business and also for defence deal

I think considering how Egypt has invested in duel vendors , makes sense we also diversify multiple avenues for purchase of defence items.

Turkey or Egypt both operate almost 200 planes etc so makes sense we at least have 150 planes in our inventory. Egypt buys from France / Russia / USA equally depending on what it needs

Plus we always have our local platform JF17 Thunder , which is growing steadily and also other options with other friendly nations


> I mean if we have funding by all means go for Typhoon

We already had a deal for J10b not sure why we never got the 2 squadrons in 2014 as planned by Musharaf , Obviously there were some obsticles for J10B or J31 which we don't know fully

If PAF had inducted FC20 back in 2010, USA will not stop a single F16 deal it has with pakistan. PAF loose a strong leverage against Yankees.

which really matters now is whether India will go for F16 BLK 70 production line.

Once IAF induct F16 BLK70, means PAF has no edge when field against IAF. it's a critical time.

I never buy the excuse of skiping j10 because PAF doesnt need this catogory. if they dont need medium weight platform, why they still add second hand F16 to its fleet? set warm China aside and cozy up to USA's cold face. Why is that?

it doesn't make sense, and put national security in extreme danger.

tell me who is Pakistan's ally? China or USA?

USA is backstabbing Pakistan.

 

[weqi]

Why not just concentrate on JF17 block 3 production at faster pace and than directly jumps into 5th generation options. Block 3 with AESA radar and extended range of SD10s bvr is more than capable option than F16s(aesa less) in my opinion.

Why not just concentrate on JF17 block 3 production at faster pace and than directly jumps into 5th generation options. Block 3 with AESA radar and extended range of SD10s bvr is more than capable option than F16s(aesa less) in my opinion.

in my opinion not a bad choice , equip with vixen 1000 e (Italy) along with other versions also with KLJ-7A
HMD Sights from south africa

 

[el nino]

The inability to acquire f16/52 even a small number of 10 to 18 planes is finance . Or it seems to be the case reading various thread responses.

The same issue seems to exist in buying the j10b/c

The prospect of buying a hyper expensive typhoon is world away .

This is why all roads are leading to much more cost effective solutions

Thunders with steady improvements
And used second hand falcons

R realistically I can't see anything else.

Ever since the mki arrived in massive numbers Pakistan has been on the back foot. This will not change now because in two years time the rafale will enter south Asian sky's and paf has no realistic answer that is attainable

 

[MystryMan]

Unfortunately PAF leaders have short sightedness wen required to think out of box solutions to the future demands and pak foreign policy related matters.
No doubt J10C with AESA radar 9 HP IFR and trusted support and supply options can definitely overcome the retirement of upcoming 3 gen large number of F7s and mirage with a huge qualitative boost.
JF17 can shrink the gap with J10C but still the value of J10C will be more than blk52 which JF17 can not cover
Especially wen no other option is available in terms of SU35 or Rafael or new 16s due political and financial reasons

I think J10 induction can be justified if it provides greater payload and combat radius with Aesa and IRST.

Hi,
PAF pilots mastered F-16 and no doubt best f16 pilots in the world...however we never got access to wide range of f16 weaponry and neither AESA upgrade and HOBS ....ab majboor hain number barha ne hain ...cant afford completely new platform such as J-10C coz plans and funds are diverted towards thunder and 5th gen...firon wala haal hai...beech mein phans gaye hain....par kisi 1 jaga jaane ka raasta hai hamare pas...i wish u ppl also knew what block 3 is actually ...believe me its a beast..very soon u all will start hearing much about it....Since you yourself said earlier , a new platform means 10 years to understand it , by that time these 4/4.5gen will lose their value to much extent since after 2028 , many AF's will be looking for 5/5+Gen fighters...as i said earlier , we have been trapped badly but AHQ is wise enough especially Sir ACM Sohail Aman is i think best Airchief after Noor khan ....he is remarkably hard working man and a man with great vision and a great strategist

For J10 we don't need to develop the tactics and procedures from scratch as its operated by Plaaf. It will not b like Thunder where we had to do every step.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

in my opinion not a bad choice , equip with vixen 1000 e (Italy) along with other versions also with KLJ-7A
HMD Sights from south africa

Is there an in-service and in production VIxen and South African HMD?

 

[RealNapster]

i never buy the exccuse of skip j10 because PAF doesnt need this catogory.

it was a done deal. but then canceled due to the "Pakistan History's worst financial crisis".