US will leave the JCPOA (this is what will happen with very little doubt)

[VEVAK]

Yes, the whole world knows that it is the USA being belligerent here. Particularly the orange baboon in the White House.

However the same was also true during the Obama era, they were just wearing a different mask. The US-Iran bonhomie during the Obama administration was a ploy to further stall and delay the Iranian missile and nuclear program, while they moved their assets into place.

And most importantly of all, once America snaps their fingers, all their "allies" will fall into line. Even those allies who hate them, and who have been targeted by Trump before.

Iran wants to stand against the US (and their EU allies) while also maintaining a respectable distance from Russia and China (no mutual defence treaty signed with either one). That's a very tricky situation to be in, frankly I feel the best course of action is for Iran to secretly develop both nuclear weapons and ICBM's, both of which are 1950's technology and easily within the reach of the Iranian state.

For Iran to build nukes whether secretly or not would require us to leave the NPT and fact is it may come to that but at the end of the day Iranian leaders recognize that both ICBM's and Nukes are nothing more than political playing cards for Iran rather than practical weapons and it would be far less costly for Iran if our leaderships could broker an agreement that's beneficial to all before it came to that. And if the U.S. doesn't come to it's senses it may come to that but what you have to realize is that such a thing wouldn't happen without major sacrifices that would have to be made by the Iranian people.

And in terms of technology if Iranian leadership hadn't placed self imposed limitation on the range of it's missiles they could of had their 1st workable ICBM for testing ~5years ago with a production model by 2015 and at this point it really isn't a matter of technology for Iran rather than a choice.

And I don't think Iran want's to stand against the U.S. as much as it wants to be left alone by the U.S.
Fact is it's the U.S. that refuses to leave Iran alone and it's been like that in every U.S. administration!

 

[OldTwilight]

یت‌الله جوادی آملی با بیان اینکه فقیر طبق آموزه‌های قرآن کریم یعنی ملتی که ستون فقراتش شکسته، گفت: آیا از ملتی که ستون فقراتش شکسته انتظار مقاومت دارید؟ ملتی که ویلچری شد توان مقاومت ندارد.

این مرجع تقلید با بیان اینکه ملتی که جیبش خالی است بدون‌شک زیر بار دیگری می‌رود، گفت: این سخنان را قرآن کریم بیان کرده و ما از قرآن راستگوتر نداریم.

آیت‌الله جوادی‌آملی تصریح کرد: بدانیم که اگر با وجود این مشکلات ملت قیام کند همه ما را به دریا خواهد ریخت به همین جهت حواس‌تان باشد. البته بسیاری از کشور فرار کردند یا جای فرار خود را فراهم آوردند اما ما جای فرار نداریم. این بی‌عدالتی‌ها و بی‌عرضگی‌های برخی مسوولان قابل تحمل نیست. کشوری که این همه منابع و آب و خاک دارد چرا باید این همه گرسنه داشته باشد.

https://www.khabaronline.ir/detail/772710/society/urban

 

[VEVAK]

http://ifpnews.com/translation-iran/irans-foreign-exchange-gold-reserves-us-cia/

With what money? All of these sound "interesting" but IRI is in no shape financially to undertake such massive R&D or rebuild of the C clusters. IRI is broke.

Iran is not broke! LOL! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
http://ifpnews.com/translation-iran/irans-foreign-exchange-gold-reserves-us-cia/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves

Over $133 Billion in Forex and gold reserves FYI that's OVER 5 times North Korea's entire GDP and is more than what the U.S. has and Iran's gross external debt is under $10 Billion USD basically a pin prick compared to the debt your Saudi Allies have massed!

And clearly you are living in some kind of delusional world that makes you think Iran is broke!!!!!! LOL!

Iranian politicians may be ultraconservative in how they spend their money and how much money the country loans from other but Iran is far from broke!

Adding an additional $2 Billion USD a year for the next decade to it's missile and space program using it's current reserves on top of an additional $2 Billion USD a year for the next decade to the foreign debt for buying fighters is easily within Iran's financial capability and it wouldn't effect anything in the country.

 

[VEVAK]

یت‌الله جوادی آملی با بیان اینکه فقیر طبق آموزه‌های قرآن کریم یعنی ملتی که ستون فقراتش شکسته، گفت: آیا از ملتی که ستون فقراتش شکسته انتظار مقاومت دارید؟ ملتی که ویلچری شد توان مقاومت ندارد.

این مرجع تقلید با بیان اینکه ملتی که جیبش خالی است بدون‌شک زیر بار دیگری می‌رود، گفت: این سخنان را قرآن کریم بیان کرده و ما از قرآن راستگوتر نداریم.

آیت‌الله جوادی‌آملی تصریح کرد: بدانیم که اگر با وجود این مشکلات ملت قیام کند همه ما را به دریا خواهد ریخت به همین جهت حواس‌تان باشد. البته بسیاری از کشور فرار کردند یا جای فرار خود را فراهم آوردند اما ما جای فرار نداریم. این بی‌عدالتی‌ها و بی‌عرضگی‌های برخی مسوولان قابل تحمل نیست. کشوری که این همه منابع و آب و خاک دارد چرا باید این همه گرسنه داشته باشد.

https://www.khabaronline.ir/detail/772710/society/urban

How much money people have in their pockets has nothing to do with how much money the government has! Especially in a country so rich in natural resources where the government controls the natural resources.

As for the economy as true as it may be unfortunately you can not support Hejab by force and at the same time complain about the economy!
You can not enforce policies that cuts out major industries like the Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Music Industry,... And then site back and expect the countries economy to be able to compete globally

You can not enforce and support Hejab by Force and then site back and complain about the countries Tourism Industry which under normal circumstances should be the 2nd largest source of foreign currency in Iran.

You can not limit national TV & Radio that forces large section of the population to watch satellite TV and think such actions wouldn't effect marketing and you can not enforce policies that limits marketing and expect it not to limits the sale of domestically produced products and goods
Someone that wants to watch music videos isn't going to start watching the Quran channels simply because that's all that's on Iranian TV

Dont forget the Space program it is just as important as it were for the USSR and US to get their first ICBM with it.


The reason why Iran doesn't have a defence treaty signed with Russia or China, is not that it wants to maintain a distance to those countries, its just that those countries will never sign one with Iran as to not offend its other allies and business opportunities in the region.


Why hasnt Iran's media shit on Ali Larijani yet? He should be ashamed, and made to resign from his position.

Iran's space program is far more important than any ICBM program. Iran can NEVER capitulate on any aspect of it's space program because it's vital for R&D and the development of science and technology in Iran which goes far beyond being able to send sat's or even a man into space.

 

[WordsMatter]

I know you're Iranian and hence a delusional persian empire glory days wanna be---but let me tell you how the world words.

North Korea wasn't invaded due to two reasons..

-North Korea's threat to South Korea. There was no way for anybody to stop flattening of Seoul with North Korean artillery fire. Hence U.S always hesitated to invade NK.

Second, and most important reason---China. Chinese fought a direct hot war with the U.S over North Korea. Any direct land invasion would have blown into a US-China war that nobody wants.

Iran does not have any major power (Russia/China) that will go to direct war with the U.S over it. Iran is just not important enough for these powers. Secondly, Iranian threat to Saudi Arabian oil fields is far less than NK threat to Seoul and its massive population. Most of the oil is underground---even if you destroy the oil 'fields' operating infrastructure--90% of the actual oil reserves will still remain unharmed and hence not a major threat to U.S.

Iranians are try to disrupt global shipping for few days---and that's acceptable too. Because after the U.S naval strike forces arrive in the region with full force--these is no power on Earth that can stop the open flow of trade of through Persian gulf.

So essentially, if it REALLY comes down to it---U.S WILL invade Iran and there's nothing Iran can do to stop it. And your leadership knows it.

There would be no nuclear weapons and ICBMs from Iran. Mark my words. It goes against Iranian regime's interest and we all know it.

Now keep mentally masturbating your tiny persian kitty cat dick

Well said... But it's really useless when you deal with a bunch of IRI apologists on this forum whose only "job" is to push back, insult really since they have no rational counter-arguments, against realistic and probable outcomes. I often wonder how they think... wait what am I saying they don't.
IRI has the power to kill innocent people, just as they have done in Iran, Syria, Lebanon. They have the power to blow up synagogs, target/kill dissidents in Europe, huff-and-puff, and steal Iranian people dry. That's all there is with IRI. IRI is an entity that has built the most expensive grave on earth for a man who claimed to be on the side of the dispossessed. What a f**king joke. Like that's what a country that's facing massive youth unemployment, environmental disaster, and severe social issues needs. IRI is a club of aghazadehs and khodis built for them to enjoy. Just a few days ago, a 30 year old basiji was named the head of Channel 3 in IRI, the son-in-law of a Hadad-Adel, whose daughter is married to Mr. Khamenie's son. Now this country is going to stop the US?!

http://ifpnews.com/translation-iran/irans-foreign-exchange-gold-reserves-us-cia/

Iran is not broke! LOL! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
http://ifpnews.com/translation-iran/irans-foreign-exchange-gold-reserves-us-cia/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves

Over $133 Billion in Forex and gold reserves FYI that's OVER 5 times North Korea's entire GDP and is more than what the U.S. has and Iran's gross external debt is under $10 Billion USD basically a pin prick compared to the debt your Saudi Allies have massed!

And clearly you are living in some kind of delusional world that makes you think Iran is broke!!!!!! LOL!

Iranian politicians may be ultraconservative in how they spend their money and how much money the country loans from other but Iran is far from broke!

Adding an additional $2 Billion USD a year for the next decade to it's missile and space program using it's current reserves on top of an additional $2 Billion USD a year for the next decade to the foreign debt for buying fighters is easily within Iran's financial capability and it wouldn't effect anything in the country.

Wait what? And where is this money? in IRI's banks? No it's in foreign banks that can, and will, abide by new round of US sanctions that would impose severe penalties on any financial institutions that deals with IRI in US dollar, or any institution or company that deals with IRI will not be able to do business in the US. And your beloved Russia will abide, your beloved China will abide, Europe will abide. IRI will become just like Saddam regime: will build grandiose graves, mullah palaces, aghazadehs having a grand old life overseas all the while ordinary Iranians take the brunt.
Also, who said IRI is conservative in spending money? They doll it out like candy to aghazadehs, khodis, seminaries, this grand ayatollah or that one, build majestic graves for Imamzadehs. Just read this years budget, you see where IRI's priorities are. There is no lack of money to enrich themselves.
And of course your military R&D has bear so much fruit: IRI now has the most awesome weapons on earth. Sure.

 

[PeeD]

@VEVAK

No offense but the notion to claim that tourism is a must for Iran is from a rational and strategic point of view simply treason.
Reformists in Iran have a agenda to inflate the issue of tourism but I think you are misinformed.

Iran is a conservative country in a critical phase of its development.
Western school knows two basic concepts:
- Liberalism and open society of Athens
- Conservative closed society of Sparta

Back then in history Iran was more like Sparta (and described to be so by Athenians) and is so today. Iran is deeply conservative, patriarchal and warlike (but not barbaric) as its roots are.

There are great security and social dangers connected with mass tourism (the only tourism that really creates a income). It is a bilateral market and all depends on whether visitors come or not (economic blackmail). The regional market is already saturated and that with better options.

The continued insistence and mentioning of it is a soft war method and treason at this point of time.

 

[WordsMatter]

@VEVAK

No offense but the notion to claim that tourism is a must for Iran is from a rational and strategic point of view simply treason.
Reformists in Iran have a agenda to inflate the issue of tourism but I think you are misinformed.

Iran is a conservative country in a critical phase of its development.
Western school knows two basic concepts:
- Liberalism and open society of Athens
- Conservative closed society of Sparta

Back then in history Iran was more like Sparta (and described to be so by Athenians) and is so today. Iran is deeply conservative, patriarchal and warlike (but not barbaric) as its roots are.

There are great security and social dangers connected with mass tourism (the only tourism that really creates a income). It is a bilateral market and all depends on whether visitors come or not (economic blackmail). The regional market is already saturated and that with better options.

The continued insistence and mentioning of it is a soft war method and treason at this point of time.

OMG, there is a spy in every corner, a conspiracy on every page, a traitor in every house...

 

[OldTwilight]

does tourist are willing to breath heavy dust and stay in hotel for weeks !?

 

[TheImmortal]

Iran could have a coup by IRGC soon, if the people start getting restless.

IRGC are much more atune to what the people are seeking then these Mullahs trying to govern in areas they hold no expertise. Even many Mullahs in Qom think their should be seperation of Church And State.

But the underlying problem is the many factions that share power in this fractured republic, the factions need to be eliminated either by brute force or through reconciliation.

These different factions are destroying the Republic by immobilizing the ability for the Republic to make radical reforms needed to survive.

It won’t be the West that causes IRI collapse, it will be IRI’s own ineptitude and hubris (see Soviet Union). If you have noticed as time passes the Republic is becoming more and more fractured in its power base. It now resembles the inefficent governments of the West.

But in case of a collapse the IRGC will be the strongest (both military and economically) as well as most unified faction to be able to seize power.

 

[VEVAK]

@VEVAK

No offense but the notion to claim that tourism is a must for Iran is from a rational and strategic point of view simply treason.
Reformists in Iran have a agenda to inflate the issue of tourism but I think you are misinformed.

Iran is a conservative country in a critical phase of its development.
Western school knows two basic concepts:
- Liberalism and open society of Athens
- Conservative closed society of Sparta

Back then in history Iran was more like Sparta (and described to be so by Athenians) and is so today. Iran is deeply conservative, patriarchal and warlike (but not barbaric) as its roots are.

There are great security and social dangers connected with mass tourism (the only tourism that really creates a income). It is a bilateral market and all depends on whether visitors come or not (economic blackmail). The regional market is already saturated and that with better options.

The continued insistence and mentioning of it is a soft war method and treason at this point of time.

Fact is people like you can't be complaining about Iran's economy under any administration!

Tourism is a vital part of every major economy in the world and you can't enforce policy that destroys tourism and at the same time expect your economy to be able to compete globally!
Tourism is also one of the largest sources of foreign currency for most major economies which also helps to stabilize your currency.

Now you can argue that at the present time with that delusional nut job at the white house it may not be the right time to address this problem in any meaningful way and that no doubt is something I agree with but to deny facts about Iran's economy simply because they don't conform with your ideology well I'll let you put a name to whatever that is!

And your talking nonsense ancient history and yea if I go back far enough Iranian people were nomads so lets demolish all our cities and go live in tents and tribes and lets all start migrating up and down Iran! LOL!
Yes back in the day before there were cars, paved roads & easy access to warm showers at home women ACROSS the WORLD in areas where there were high dust covered their hair and men wore hats but that has NOTHING to do with our culture or religion!
And Quran say's NOTHING about women's hair let alone allows anyone to force Hejab on people! And the whole notion of Hejab is for devout women to distinguish themselves from those who are NOT! And that's a far cry from a government thinking it has a right to tell people what to ware!


And if Iranians society is so conservative then why do people like you see it necessary to force hijab on others as a matter of government policy in every corner of Iran?
Fact is the reason western powers are able to use such policies against Iran is because people like you have turned it into an issue! And clearly 40 years of a failed policy has taught people like you NOTHING!

All this government had to do was make specific controlled area's of Iran outside Tehran free of hijab by force and this wouldn't be an issue! And if you have a problem with that then YOU and people like YOU are the cause of Iran's economic problems! So remember that every time you look yourself in the mirror!

 

[Tokhme khar]

Again our resident oldman from MKO exaggerates and makes a mountain out of a mole hill using the recent dust storm incident in Ahvaz as a daily occurrence.

Oldman, how about turning to cheap alcohol? have you given it a try?.....drown out your misery?

does tourist are willing to breath heavy dust and stay in hotel for weeks !?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

US can't topple Taliban for last 15 years, and here you hindu-pak type colonized people think they can pull a regime change in Iran?.......

You little Persian prick, you lands were civilized by people of Indus, ancient Pakistanis, long before you existed , you were steam rolled by Alexander and your queen was made his concubine, you should be thankful that same Alexander was butchered by Ancient Pakistanis and we took your revenge, and then there is a small matter of rage tag Arabs colonising you later.

What the fuk you are on about O my little Persian boy!!

 

[Tokhme khar]

oh yeah.....I forgot how important 'you' personally are........lol

We seemingly owe our entire fukking existence to you!

You little Persian prick, you lands were civilized by people of Indus, ancient Pakistanis, long before you existed , you were steam rolled by Alexander and your queen was made his concubine, you should be thankful that same Alexander was butchered by Ancient Pakistanis and we took your revenge, and then there is a small matter of rage tag Arabs colonising you later.

What the fuk you are on about O my little Persian boy!!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

oh yeah.....I forgot how important 'you' personally are........lol

We seemingly owe our entire fukking existence to you!

Ofcourse you do. Your lands were civilized by us long before you existed or perhaps your ancestors were wiping their arses with leaves in caves at that time. Lol.

You Persian maggots have lot of comman with hindus though, you lot don't take much time losing your marbles in your uncontrolled false bravado.

 

[PeeD]

@VEVAK

The single greatest field at which the west has complete superiority in the world is propaganda via it's media.

They inflate something like Hejab and try to Infiltrate, divide and destroy. The problem is that you can't fight it because its main method is discrediting the other side. So your smart and sober approached don't work here because you need a higher degree of intelligence to understand and take into consideration. The single most capable man in the current government, Zarif, tried to explain the Hejab issue a few days ago in the U.S but the mentioned method was used against him.

You want Iran to make concessions on the Hejab issue while ignoring that it is in a ideological war in the region at the moment. Iran is the islamic republic, we are trying to regain what was taken from us. The whole region belongs to us, the whole region is culturally and genetically related to us. We take back or better said are liberating the people which are related to us since ancient times. During Haxamaneshi times, Lebanese, Phoenicians were one of Irans closest allies and till today they are ethnically very close to us, closer than they are to their Saudi "Arab brothers".
The problem is just that I can't expect western brain washed people to know this, it is complex and requires a certain minimum intelligence.
I see many Iranian complaining "our money is wasted in Lebanon" and I feel sorry for them and people like this wordmatters guy.

We are at a state of war, a ideological, economical war against very strong enemies. The Islamic republic ideology is our main weapon and it's status wont be undermined by concessions on Hejab, or opening the country to mass tourism and foreign intelligence officers.
Heck, North Koreans don't even allow tourists to walk freely in their country... Those guys are so much more strict about this issue and now people are demanding mass tourism for Iran. No, I'm a technocrat and our path should be tourism as is and industry, industry, industry.
We will win in the economic field if we use our educated workforce and put them in our industry, no need for mass tourism.

I'm sad to see you fall for the tourism trick of the west because you are a patriot.