US will leave the JCPOA (this is what will happen with very little doubt)

[B@KH]

It is the Game of Chess and so far IRAN has been winning.

 

[TheImmortal]

we need to increase the ranges of our BM from ~3000km to 12,000km and we can negotiate and accept a deal for under 4,500km (excluding space activities)

Look at this traitor! Iran should negotiate with The West and accept a 4,500 KM limit? What country that has a ounce of self respect would ever do that?

You are naive. Iran’s leadership said it best several years ago. Nuclear issue is just a ploy, soon it will be BMs, then human rights, then hijab, etc etc.

By the way, they want to know EVERYTHING about Iran’s BMs which means trajectory data, launch data, supply chain, amount of missiles, technology, countermeasures, etc etc This isn’t about RANGE! You are naive to think that.

 

[VEVAK]

its more of a classic good cop bad cop play. trump is the "Bad cop". making threats left and right. threatning to leave the deal outright etc... Macron is the "good cop" he will try to persuade trump to keep it. and in the end, they hope macron can go back to iran and convince us that he persuaded trump not to bring back sanctions... in exchange for: irans national defence programs, and foreign policy (lol)

they still think iran is some colonial small African country they can boss around. This is mere delusion at this point. as iran has never had a stronger position vs. the west post revolution as it does today.

if iran didn't back down 1 inch in times where the west had actual military options on iran. they certainly will not do so again.

IF you listen to macron you can kind of understand the delusional world he lives in. A young naïve man who still thinks france is relevant. look at his laughable comments on Syria where he sais we must prevent "Assad and iran" from running around, and gratiously adds that turkey and Russia MAY (if they ask france nicely) have some role in Syria in the future.

the man is absolutely delusional, and has an inflated sense of worth that's beyond comprehension.

I would disagree I think the JCPOA had to be done and now that the U.S. is acting out it's a political victory for Iran and although it may not look good for the Rohani Administration in Iran the U.S. leaving the JCPOA would turn the whole thing in Iran's favor in terms of an international political victory.

It was also a good exercise to prove to some in Iran who were under the delusion that a security agreement could be reached with the U.S. in exchange for a scale back of Iran's BM program. If you were for it before you were either a fool or a traitor now the fools will be separated from the traitors and anyone suggesting such absurd suggestions would seen and dealt with as a traitor!

Hopefully the French Presidents visit with Trump will wake up some of the sleeping patriots in the Rohani administration and the members of Iran's parliament and force this government to increase funding for Iran's Missile & Space programs

Fact is everyone in Iran knew that they would be coming after the Missile Program they may have not expected it to be so soon but they knew it was going to happen from the day they agreed to the JCPOA and we'll have to see if the Rohani administration did something about it or not!
If Iran doesn't start testing newer BM within the next 6 months it means they just stuck their heads in the sand so we'll see!

 

[$@rJen]

its happening because Iran is ready to castrate you, so you quit breeding

Of course Iran is ready...

In theot dreams
Kid shut the f up.... We've been hearing this again and again... I'll tell you what go to the general shop by map and remove Israel from it...

That's the best Mullahs ball can do

 

[VEVAK]

Look at this traitor! Iran should negotiate with The West and accept a 4,500 KM limit? What country that has a ounce of self respect would ever do that?

You are naive. Iran’s leadership said it best several years ago. Nuclear issue is just a ploy, soon it will be BMs, then human rights, then hijab, etc etc.

By the way, they want to know EVERYTHING about Iran’s BMs which means trajectory data, launch data, supply chain, amount of missiles, technology, countermeasures, etc etc This isn’t about RANGE! You are naive to think that.

Yea and I could easily say those how have so far put a limit on the range of Iranian BM are traitors!

Iran doesn't have to give them any actual data! All we have to do is to agree to not test a 12,000km BM within the next 10-15 years

Iran under the JCPOA has already agreed not to launch Nuclear Designed Ballistic Missiles and NO ONE agree to give any data regarding Iran's BM when they agreed to that!

to have a workable ICBM multi stage boosters Iran would need multiple launches and to be able to accurately target something with conventional warheads you would need far more launches so the only thing we have to agree to is to stop testing!

Except for use as a political playing card Iran has NO NEED for a 12,000 km workable ICBM because without Nukes they would be useless

 

[TheImmortal]

Yea and I could easily say those how have so far put a limit on the range of Iranian BM are traitors!

Iran doesn't have to give them any actual data! All we have to do is to agree to not test a 12,000km BM within the next 10-15 years

Iran under the JCPOA has already agreed not to launch Nuclear Designed Ballistic Missiles and NO ONE agree to give any data regarding Iran's BM when they agreed to that!

to have a workable ICBM multi stage boosters Iran would need multiple launches and to be able to accurately target something with conventional warheads you would need far more launches so the only thing we have to agree to is to stop testing!

Except for use as a political playing card Iran has NO NEED for a 12,000 km workable ICBM because without Nukes they would be useless

You are incredibly naive. The issue is NOT range. You think that US/Europe want to restrict a missile that doesn’t even exist? The reason Iran doesn’t create ICBM missiles is because they are expensive in significant numbers and useless to carry standard munitions. The West wants to CURB the conventional missile program.

That means cap on missile production, cap on types of missiles (solid, liquid, quasi), no new missile creation, sharing of data on current missile technology. They want to NEUTER Iran’s only deterrence system! This is the first step to The dismantlement of Iran’s key military assets.

The BM agreement that US/France want Iran to sign is going to be far more extensive than just range or ‘please don’t make ICBMs’. They want intel on Iran’s missiles.

During the past nuclear negotiations that led to nuclear deal, I believe the West suggested to Iran to allow them to observe FUTURE missile tests and also receive intelligence data on these missiles! Please see if you can find articles that site this! It will give you a glimpse into what they want a future agreement to look like.

 

[Dante80]

Yeah,..that is never happening. Iran knows exactly what happened to its biggest contemporary rival (SH) as soon as he complied to disarm..

 

[OldTwilight]

Yeah,..that is never happening. Iran knows exactly what happened to its biggest contemporary rival (SH) as soon as he complied to disarm..

when all of our politicans have bank account in western countries and send their childern to the west for education ( and get second nationality ) then the result is clear ....
when the war start , they will leave Iran and let Iranian people face the enemy ...

 

[zartosht]

when all of our politicans have bank account in western countries and send their childern to the west for education ( and get second nationality ) then the result is clear ....
when the war start , they will leave Iran and let Iranian people face the enemy ...

most senior Iranian officials are under direct western sanctions. And there is absolutely no country that be willing to take in Iranian government officials if irans government falls.

It would make you an enemy of irans new government, the western, Zionist and wahabi worlds. with very little reward. even shah Pahlavi despite decades of service to his masters, and irans new government being an absolute isolated pariah in the early days of the revolution. Nobody wanted him either. you think Khamenei, jannati, qassem soleimani etc.. would find asylum in some country?

irans leadership is completely aware of this fact. and if you pay attention to irans strategic posture, propaganda and reality. you will see that if shit hits the fan. Iranian leadership has a very much fight to the last man approach.

its beyond laughable to imagine a scenario where senior clerics and irgc officers would be able to flee to some other country.

 

[WordsMatter]

1st order of business as a response to the French Presidents comments should be a rush towards 12,000km ICBM. Ballistic Missiles are Iran's main deterrence capability and just as Iran went from 1000 centrifuges to 20,000 centrifuges and then accepted a deal for 6000..... we need to increase the ranges of our BM from ~3000km to 12,000km and we can negotiate and accept a deal for under 4,500km (excluding space activities)

Rohani administrations & Iran's Parliaments response to the French President should have been an immediate $1-$2Billion USD budget increase to Iran's Ballistic Missile Program

I don't see the need for a massive increase in Iran's nuclear activities nor a need to rush towards a nuke

And if the U.S. leaves the JCPOA as a response all Iran has to do is restrict IAEA access to Fordow, install 1000 of the most advanced centrifuges in Iran's capability (IR-8) and start enrichment to above 40% and if the U.S. doesn't move back from it's position at that point then we would leave the NNPT

With what money? All of these sound "interesting" but IRI is in no shape financially to undertake such massive R&D or rebuild of the C clusters. IRI is broke.

Of course Iran is ready...

In theot dreams
Kid shut the f up.... We've been hearing this again and again... I'll tell you what go to the general shop by map and remove Israel from it...

That's the best Mullahs ball can do

That's funny.

Look at this traitor! Iran should negotiate with The West and accept a 4,500 KM limit? What country that has a ounce of self respect would ever do that?

You are naive. Iran’s leadership said it best several years ago. Nuclear issue is just a ploy, soon it will be BMs, then human rights, then hijab, etc etc.

By the way, they want to know EVERYTHING about Iran’s BMs which means trajectory data, launch data, supply chain, amount of missiles, technology, countermeasures, etc etc This isn’t about RANGE! You are naive to think that.

And guess what? it's coming to that, and rightly so. There's is a reason why a despicable regime like IRI is picked on: they are bad for their people, the region and the world. Why would any one in their right mind trust a regime that believes that the hidden imam is in some well in Tehran and builds a male/female areas to send him F**KING LETTERS? The only way IRI is going to be left alone is in the dust bin of history.

 

[Tokhme khar]

exaggeration and desperation is what you are displaying here oldman. One or two politicians have their kids or accounts overseas, and you say the entire Iran gubment is doing the same? Comeon GTFO.

when all of our politicans have bank account in western countries and send their childern to the west for education ( and get second nationality ) then the result is clear ....
when the war start , they will leave Iran and let Iranian people face the enemy ...

 

[Cthulhu]

exaggeration and desperation is what you are displaying here oldman. One or two politicians have their kids or accounts overseas, and you say the entire Iran gubment is doing the same? Comeon GTFO.

The number is slightly greater than that.
http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/778666...ر‌می‌گردند-اما-خارجی‌ها-نخبگان-را-جذب-می‌کنند

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Today it's quite evident who can't be trusted and now they want to threaten to abolish the JCPOA if they don't get a new deal on top of the JCPOA!

Yes, the whole world knows that it is the USA being belligerent here. Particularly the orange baboon in the White House.

However the same was also true during the Obama era, they were just wearing a different mask. The US-Iran bonhomie during the Obama administration was a ploy to further stall and delay the Iranian missile and nuclear program, while they moved their assets into place.

And most importantly of all, once America snaps their fingers, all their "allies" will fall into line. Even those allies who hate them, and who have been targeted by Trump before.

Iran wants to stand against the US (and their EU allies) while also maintaining a respectable distance from Russia and China (no mutual defence treaty signed with either one). That's a very tricky situation to be in, frankly I feel the best course of action is for Iran to secretly develop both nuclear weapons and ICBM's, both of which are 1950's technology and easily within the reach of the Iranian state.

 

[Tokhme khar]

Any confirmation on that 4000 number?.......boy, we are being made to believe the intelligence ministry is sleeping, not to mention money transfers to the west taking place despite sanctions and what not? Ever tried moving money out of Iran?......have you?......or opening a bank account in London with an Iranian passport in your hand?.....lol.... let alone the Iranian passports associated with the government of Iran?

When you have a think about this, come back and talk to us.

The number is slightly greater than that.
http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/778666/4-هزار-آقازاده‌-تحصیل-کرده-در-انگلیس-با-ضمانت-اشتغال-بر‌می‌گردند-اما-خارجی‌ها-نخبگان-را-جذب-می‌کنند

 

[Cthulhu]

Any confirmation on that 4000 number?.......boy, we are being made to believe the intelligence ministry is sleeping, not to mention money transfers to the west taking place despite sanctions and what not? Ever tried moving money out of Iran?......have you?......or opening a bank account in London with an Iranian passport in your hand?.....lol.... let alone the Iranian passports associated with the government of Iran?

When you have a think about this, come back and talk to us.

How does Fatemeh Ardeshir Larijani, the daughter of Ali Larijani, The speaker of the Parliament of Iran, Is practicing medicine in Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.? How does Ali Larijani, The speaker of the Parliament of Iran, Sends money to his daughter, Fatemeh Ardeshir Larijani, Who went aboard to practice medicine in Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.? Answer my this and i answer you your questions.

http://fararu.com/fa/news/116041/حو...دن-دختر-لاریجانی-تا-تکذیب-تصویر-دختر-لاریجانی
https://www.doximity.com/pub/fatemeh-ardeshir-larijani-md
https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/fat...296f5c14-dec5-11e7-9f4c-005056a225bf-overview