US warplan against China : Choke China into submission via naval blockade

[Audio]

Pathetic!.

A typo means that I can't debate?

That's not a typo. That's an invention of a whole new word, which can provide insight into your abilities to debate. If you got something as simple as that wrong.....btw it's powerless.
Dont tell anyone a white guy corrected you. Might loose your status of a rebel in the world.

 

[UKBengali]

That's not a typo. That's an invention of a whole new word, which can provide insight into your abilities to debate. If you got something as simple as that wrong.....btw it's powerless.
Dont tell anyone a white guy corrected you. Might loose your status of a rebel in the world.

If you really believe that, then you are beyond help.

 

[Audio]

If you really believe that, then you are beyond help.

dude, if you make up words as you go...what does that say about you?

anyhow, offtopic hugely, i wish you best of luck in your future endeavours, whatever and wherever those might be.

 

[kalu_miah]

He is one of those typical whites who likes to come across as a liberal person open to people from all cultures whereas he is just a petty little racist. I have more respect for open racists as they do not try to hide their true feelings.

Let his culture lose what they have had for the last few hundred years and then sit back and laugh.

Racism is a human condition, I don't blame people for it as it is hard to escape it. What I do not like is stupidity and incompetence. Like they say, arrogance precedes fall.

In any case East Asians are smarter and we are lucky to have them in Asia. The rest of Asians and perhaps the planet can build a better future with them in the lead. Now if we only could convince the boot licking Indians to follow. They are the real trouble makers and would not fall in line easily, because of extreme stupidity. But they also will see the light eventually.

 

[anon45]

Abrams is "battle-tested" against downgraded T-72s

US has not a fought a "peer" in tank warfare since WW2 so this experience does not count for much.

You cannot provide conclusive evidence that the Abrams is much superior than the latest Chinese tank so let's leave it at that.






Yes they can, if you have enough of them and China would have more than any other country in the world. Japan is a small, extremely target rich country which would be perfect for China to demonstrate missile warfare. Japan would run out of air-defence missiles way before China had even used up half it's stockpile - that is if the Chinese are not able to take out the Japanese radars first.

Anyway there are rumours that a stealth bomber like the B-2 is currently in the works and this should be ready for action towards the latter part of this decade. I am sure that this "rumour" will turn out to be true like the J-20/J-31 also were





First let's get this clear we are talking about 2020 onwards as China's Navy is currently weaker than the Japanese lol.

China will have 3 carriers to be dealt with - 2 of them are likely to be as large, with the complement as large and varied, like the US carriers and the other Varyag will still be decent with an air-wing of 24-30 fighters.

The point is that with the possibility of US carriers being sunk by DF-21D missiles, they will stay far out in the Ocean, massively reducing their effectiveness. The real goal of the DF-21D is not to sink the US carriers but to put the element of doubt that they can. And why do you persist with this, US will attack the Chinese mainland unless you would like to get into a shooting war with a country that by then would have hundreds of mirved-ICBMS on both land and sea?!






When I said "time is on China's side" I meant the passage of time as in decades, not in a war scenario

Simply China's economy will become industrialised by 2030 or so whereas the US already is. By 2030 China will be relatively far stronger to the US than it is now.







Who says China wants "total-servitude"?

China will want all Asian countries to unite for the benefit of Asians only and any that dare invite outsiders will pay the price - not just military but also economic sanctions from the country which is less than a decade away from being the world's richest.

Plenty of Asian countries will have no problem with "Asia for Asians" like Europeans believe in "Europe for Europeans"

On tanks- fair enough, neither of us can prove anything conclusively and the small indicators I mentioned can hardly be considered conclusive, so lets drop it.

On missiles- how many do you think China has anyways? According to you a large portion of China's military budget is dedicated to maintaining a missile arsenal that can severely cripple the capability of a country the size of Japan, and all of its military bases. Yes, they actually cost money to maintain.

On bombers- then you admit China itself does not believe cruise missiles alone are enough, so your missile exposition is moot. As for the effectiveness of the bomber, we will see

On Carriers- lol Ok of what use are carriers in a war between Japan and China considering their geographical proximity.

On DF21-D- Then I await the public test, because until there is a test the deterrent value is not there, especially come wartime. Same with nukes, you gotta actually show the weapon at work for it to act as deterrence.

On mainland bombing- Because that is exactly what the US can and could be ordered to do considering you are throwing about the idea of China invading Japan. Your Call of Duty MW4 like eagerness to toss nukes about does not change the Chinese government will be extremely reluctant to use them even if the USN started lobbing tomohawks at the Chinese mainland. Oh yeah, and China has a no first use policy aside from the assumed imminent invasion and toppling of the CCP.

On time- then we are totally at a disconnect because your passage of time assertion is both unproven and irrelevant to whatever else you were saying.

On servitude- so by omission I guess you admit you don't have much respect for the other asian countries. Your goal sounds very much like this Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and yes, your goal is total servitude, because your goal is for China to dictate to these other countries what to do, whether that is trading with 'outsiders' or whatever.

Plenty of Asian countries will have no problem with "Asia for Asians" like Europeans believe in "Europe for Europeans"

But that isn't your goal, your goal isn't 'Asia for Asians', your goal is 'Asia for China'.

 

[Wright]

Racism is a human condition, I don't blame people for it as it is hard to escape it. What I do not like is stupidity and incompetence. Like they say, arrogance precedes fall.

In any case East Asians are smarter and we are lucky to have them in Asia. The rest of Asians and perhaps the planet can build a better future with them in the lead. Now if we only could convince the boot licking Indians to follow. They are the real trouble makers and would not fall in line easily, because of extreme stupidity. But they also will see the light eventually.

Convince to follow East Asians? Sounds very much like boot licking. Anyway you forgot Japan and south Korea are no allies of China.

Racial/cultural proximity is much more meaningful than geographic proximity. Face it: East Asians have very little in common with south Asians racially and culturally.

 

[474474]

Why do Americans love war so much?
Americans have had no enemy far of its existence yet is AlWYS at war, murrica solution to unemployment do wars and join the army

 

[octopusonhead]

Why do Americans love war so much?
Americans have had no enemy far of its existence yet is AlWYS at war, murrica solution to unemployment do wars and join the army

Greed... war profits off the suffering of the poor and weak.

While the rich and powerful reap more and more into their fat overstuffed piggy banks.

Not only that, the US is implementing policies to steer the world towards their end goal
of a one world government, centralization of powers will give the elite even more control
then they already have. They start wars just to implement regime changes that are friendly
towards their agenda, until the whole world is following them like lost puppy dogs.

Anyways it's always been a fact that empires always act tyrannically, the Mongols, Romans,
British, Americans, and on and on.

 

[kalu_miah]

Convince to follow East Asians? Sounds very much like boot licking. Anyway you forgot Japan and south Korea are no allies of China.

Racial/cultural proximity is much more meaningful than geographic proximity. Face it: East Asians have very little in common with south Asians racially and culturally.

No its not boot licking, its called co-operation and alliance.

Racial/cultural proximity is important, but so is geographic proximity, depends on the specific situation.

East Asians have little in common with South Asians, but at least they are neighbors within Asian landmass. This is specially true for countries in South East Asia and less so for countries in South Asia that border South East Asia. USA, on the other hand, is a faraway country in every possible way.

Japanese and South Korean alliance with USA is a temporary arrangement, a carryover from WW II and cold war era. As soon as they figure out that the US bases are not enough to ensure their security specially with a rising China, those bases will be history and they will opt for more pragmatic security arrangements that involves local fellow Asians in proximity. Japanese are already asking for the removal of US bases. Koreans will follow suit within this decade.

I am South Asian, but I spend a lot of time with some East Asians. This is a quote from an East Asian:

1. the most important thing for a nation is security
2. second is money and wealth
3. third is culture/religion and way of life

To ensure 1., one must explore all available options, even if its cooperation with countries that are not similar in race/culture, which is why there is a current alliance between USA and Japan/S Korea. But as soon as some other marriage of convenience makes sense, the current partner will be gradually side-lined to make room for a new arrangement.

Since Japanese and South Koreans are not blessed like Han Chinese with a huge country and a billion plus people, they need to work with others within proximity to ensure their security. That will most probably involve teaming up with ASEAN for them. Some South Asian countries may also join this ASEAN based union for their own security. And this arrangement will be in cooperation with China, rather than in confrontation with China. For this to happen, China will inevitably ask for US departure from the region and may get this reward eventually, if they allow a cooperative union of nation states to take shape in this region. The end result will be loss of influence for USA and further security and economic integration of East Asia, South East Asia and some fringe countries of South Asia, at the periphery of this increasingly integrated region.

 

[silent hawk]

Why do Americans love war so much?
Americans have had no enemy far of its existence yet is AlWYS at war, murrica solution to unemployment do wars and join the army

Because war war is good for business.

 

[cirr]

If that's what you believe, then be it.

Just don't be surprised to see half a million PLA troops dead in a couple of months in the next war.

Hello dude。

I have a friend from Taejon in South Korea who have a couple of questions to which your answers will be greatly appreciated。

Would you care to talk to him in Korean？

Thanks。

 

[Viet]

No its not boot licking, its called co-operation and alliance.

Racial/cultural proximity is important, but so is geographic proximity, depends on the specific situation.

East Asians have little in common with South Asians, but at least they are neighbors within Asian landmass. This is specially true for countries in South East Asia and less so for countries in South Asia that border South East Asia. USA, on the other hand, is a faraway country in every possible way.

Japanese and South Korean alliance with USA is a temporary arrangement, a carryover from WW II and cold war era. As soon as they figure out that the US bases are not enough to ensure their security specially with a rising China, those bases will be history and they will opt for more pragmatic security arrangements that involves local fellow Asians in proximity. Japanese are already asking for the removal of US bases. Koreans will follow suit within this decade.

I am South Asian, but I spend a lot of time with some East Asians. This is a quote from an East Asian:

1. the most important thing for a nation is security
2. second is money and wealth
3. third is culture/religion and way of life

To ensure 1., one must explore all available options, even if its cooperation with countries that are not similar in race/culture, which is why there is a current alliance between USA and Japan/S Korea. But as soon as some other marriage of convenience makes sense, the current partner will be gradually side-lined to make room for a new arrangement.

Since Japanese and South Koreans are not blessed like Han Chinese with a huge country and a billion plus people, they need to work with others within proximity to ensure their security. That will most probably involve teaming up with ASEAN for them. Some South Asian countries may also join this ASEAN based union for their own security. And this arrangement will be in cooperation with China, rather than in confrontation with China. For this to happen, China will inevitably ask for US departure from the region and may get this reward eventually, if they allow a cooperative union of nation states to take shape in this region. The end result will be loss of influence for USA and further security and economic integration of East Asia, South East Asia and some fringe countries of South Asia, at the periphery of this increasingly integrated region.

Would you mind to work out possible solutions how the current territorial disputes among Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Philippines and some many others would be solved?

As long as the problems continue, the US stays.

 

[kalu_miah]

Would you mind to work out possible solutions how the current territorial disputes among Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Philippines and some many others would be solved?

As long as the problems continue, the US stays.

These countries will need to develop regional platform for solving these conflicts through discussions and arbitration and at last resort taking them to UN level arbitration and agree to accept results given by regional or world bodies.

There will always be problems, but the US balancing off ability will diminish in about 2 decades time. So we have a window of 1.5 to 3 decades max, to either solve these problems and better yet to develop proper platforms (regional and global) for conflict resolution, territorial or otherwise.

After 2-3 decades the presence of the US may become irrelevant as its deterrence effect will continue to diminish with every passing year.

 

[anon45]

Why do Americans love war so much?

Why do Pakistanis love terrorism so much?

Americans have had no enemy far of its existence

false

yet is AlWYS at war

false

murrica solution to unemployment do wars and join the army

false...

Greed... war profits off the suffering of the poor and weak.

While the rich and powerful reap more and more into their fat overstuffed piggy banks.

Not only that, the US is implementing policies to steer the world towards their end goal
of a one world government, centralization of powers will give the elite even more control
then they already have. They start wars just to implement regime changes that are friendly
towards their agenda, until the whole world is following them like lost puppy dogs.

Anyways it's always been a fact that empires always act tyrannically, the Mongols, Romans,
British, Americans, and on and on.

oh great, another one world government conspiracy theorist? Oh them illuminati